Meanwhile In England

[royal white]

14 minutes ago, Zico said:

Park life? 

Someone did get killed there and it always kicks off 

https://metro.co.uk/2024/06/11/mass-brawl-erupts-parklife-festival-police-arrest-52-people-21010397/

As a percentage arrests around the same number 

Park life is an adult only festival which you can only enter with a ticket in the middle of a big park. Not sure how it’s similar to NHC 

 

6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Two million, over a million. Stop obsessing over semantics. It’s all out there for folk to read.

 I’d be more interested if you take 2 million people across London on any given weekend, & see what the average number of arrests & other incidents there are.

1.5 million on an anti war protest. Can’t remember if there were any stabbings, or rapes. It was a few years back though, I doubt there was. I could be wrong. 

Half a million manage  to get though a weekend in Bolton without being nicked or stabbing someone at the food and drink festival. 

[Zico]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

Park life is an adult only festival which you can only enter with a ticket in the middle of a big park. Not sure how it’s similar to NHC 

Oh ok, I wasn't aware what your criteria for a similar event was

so your on about carnivals and not festivals

Which are free to attend events in public places near main roads, or something

Leave it with me

 

[Zico]

Do they have to be in this country? 

I bet Rio Carnival is a right gun fest 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Zico said:

Oh ok, I wasn't aware what your criteria for a similar event was

so your on about carnivals and not festivals

Which are free to attend events in public places near main roads, or something

Leave it with me

 

Any event similar, as I said, A ticketed adult only event, in a park is hardly similar. Only one I can think of is the Bolton one. Hundreds of thousands over a weekend, family event, in a town/city setting, celebrating different cultures, food and drink stalls, music live bands etc 

[mickbrown]

21 minutes ago, royal white said:

Park life is an adult only festival which you can only enter with a ticket in the middle of a big park. Not sure how it’s similar to NHC 

 

1.5 million on an anti war protest. Can’t remember if there were any stabbings, or rapes. It was a few years back though, I doubt there was. I could be wrong. 

Half a million manage  to get though a weekend in Bolton without being nicked or stabbing someone at the food and drink festival. 

Half a million rocked up for Carrs Pasties?

I’m impressed 

[Zico]

11 minutes ago, royal white said:

Any event similar, as I said, A ticketed adult only event, in a park is hardly similar. Only one I can think of is the Bolton one. Hundreds of thousands over a weekend, family event, in a town/city setting, celebrating different cultures, food and drink stalls, music live bands etc 

Yeah I don't know what the answer is to be honest 

Do we ban park life 

Or

Do we make NHC an all ticket adult only event in a park, and then they can do what they want

Two tier festivals 

 

[gonzo]

I'd presume Millions went through Manchester Pride other weekend?

No many arrests but hundreds of bummings. 

[London Wanderer]

8 hours ago, royal white said:

Park life is an adult only festival which you can only enter with a ticket in the middle of a big park. Not sure how it’s similar to NHC 

 

1.5 million on an anti war protest. Can’t remember if there were any stabbings, or rapes. It was a few years back though, I doubt there was. I could be wrong. 

Half a million manage  to get though a weekend in Bolton without being nicked or stabbing someone at the food and drink festival. 

I’ve lost track of your agenda here mate. What’s your point? 

I’m saying we shouldn’t blame the carnival for knife crime & gang culture. These a wider , deeper rooted social issues. They need to make changes clearly, but banning it won’t solve the issue.

Take 2 million people across London on any given weekend & you see similar offences, just not on the same scale I assume. Though I’ve not got the data, which is why I said it’d be interesting to see.

I went in 2018 with a mate when I lived in London. Didn’t stay long & it was in the afternoon but didn’t see any trouble. There were also a shit load of arrests & trouble that year, but with the sheer numbers of people you don’t always see it & a lot take place after the carnival. That doesn’t mean innocent people don’t get caught up in it. There were lots of positive things going on & banning them seems odd. It just needs to be moved & adapted, so it’s not so dense maybe. Punishing the organisers & majority peaceful attending isn’t the way forward.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

They need to make changes clearly, but banning it won’t solve the issue.

What are the changes that need to be made?

[royal white]

31 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I’ve lost track of your agenda here mate. What’s your point? 

I’m saying we shouldn’t blame the carnival for knife crime & gang culture. These a wider , deeper rooted social issues. They need to make changes clearly, but banning it won’t solve the issue.

Take 2 million people across London on any given weekend & you see similar offences, just not on the same scale I assume. Though I’ve not got the data, which is why I said it’d be interesting to see.

I went in 2018 with a mate when I lived in London. Didn’t stay long & it was in the afternoon but didn’t see any trouble. There were also a shit load of arrests & trouble that year, but with the sheer numbers of people you don’t always see it & a lot take place after the carnival. That doesn’t mean innocent people don’t get caught up in it. There were lots of positive things going on & banning them seems odd. It just needs to be moved & adapted, so it’s not so dense maybe. Punishing the organisers & majority peaceful attending isn’t the way forward.

My agenda? I don’t have really have one. All I said was that some people want it banned or cancelled and I can see their point. 
 

No matter which way you look at it the carnival attracts trouble, and it’s not the kind of trouble that you see at other events. Year in year out multiple stabbings, multiple rapes, sexual assaults, police and emergency workers getting assaulted, business's have to close for the weekend, residents board their houses up and move away. It’s a magnet for trouble. For you to say “yes there’s loads of people there so it’s not that bad” and “I didn’t see any trouble” is just a bit ignorant. 

Edited August 29, 2024 by royal white

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

What are the changes that need to be made?

Tickets and a park

[DazBob]

10 hours ago, royal white said:

Any event similar, as I said, A ticketed adult only event, in a park is hardly similar. Only one I can think of is the Bolton one. Hundreds of thousands over a weekend, family event, in a town/city setting, celebrating different cultures, food and drink stalls, music live bands etc 

I'm not sure Bolton Food & Drink Festival can be used as a comparison tbh, where a large percentage are there to simply look at chutneys and cheeses,

[DazBob]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

I'd presume Millions went through Manchester Pride other weekend?

No many arrests but hundreds of bummings. 

Didn't realise you were that busy, mate.

[Ani]

[Ani]

Tommy needs our help, come on lads. That Coke and 5 star hotels are not cheap

[deeane Koontz]

Just now, Ani said:

 

Like clockwork  

[kent_white]

Has he brought down the BBC yet? 

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

Has he brought down the BBC yet? 

Hopefully when he gets banged up, he has to take plenty of BBC, on a regular basis

[London Wanderer]

5 hours ago, royal white said:

My agenda? I don’t have really have one. All I said was that some people want it banned or cancelled and I can see their point. 
 

No matter which way you look at it the carnival attracts trouble, and it’s not the kind of trouble that you see at other events. Year in year out multiple stabbings, multiple rapes, sexual assaults, police and emergency workers getting assaulted, business's have to close for the weekend, residents board their houses up and move away. It’s a magnet for trouble. For you to say “yes there’s loads of people there so it’s not that bad” and “I didn’t see any trouble” is just a bit ignorant. 

Ignorant😂

 did you read my post where I said there was loads of trouble the year I went?

 The carnival isn’t the problem. It doesn’t need cancelling. 

It’s a knife crime & gang culture epidemic 

[gonzo]

4 hours ago, Ani said:

Tommy needs our help, come on lads. That Coke and 5 star hotels are not cheap

He's fucked it now, everyone's going watching Oasis.

[Traf]

2 hours ago, Sweep said:

Hopefully when he gets banged up, he has to take plenty of BBC, on a regular basis

Fingers crossed.

[royal white]

51 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Ignorant😂

 did you read my post where I said there was loads of trouble the year I went?

 The carnival isn’t the problem. It doesn’t need cancelling. 

It’s a knife crime & gang culture epidemic 

Yep ignorant. 
 

So this knife crime and gang culture. Why didn’t we read about it after pride? Bolton food and beer? Tommy Robinson March? Etc etc 

This “epidemic” seems to get worse every Aug bank holiday around the Notting Hill area. I wonder why? 

[wakey]

Bet there was lots of stabbing going on at pride

[London Wanderer]

47 minutes ago, royal white said:

This “epidemic” seems to get worse every Aug bank holiday around the Notting Hill area. I wonder why? 

It’s the “come fck things up stall” at Notting Hill carnival.

 They have it every year & ask London’s local gangsters to come. 

 There are pick pocket workshops, sexual harassment role play & zombie knife battles. I honestly think if the carnival stops encouraging violence then we’ll see a reduction in crime.

Bolton food & drinks festival doesn’t do these, they just teach people how to make Kimchi. Which is why the crime rate is non existent.

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Tommy Robinson  

His idols have caused all sorts of trouble 🙃