Meanwhile In England

[tomski]

NHC should get a 5 year ban from Europe and the threat of England not competing in the Eurovision if behaviour does not improve. Anyone with a Notting hill post code gets 6 years

[London Wanderer]

33 minutes ago, Ani said:

Are people using the fact that there were so many arrests at NHC as proof of Two Tier policing or to disprove it? 

I’m not sure what point people are making tbh

Edited August 28, 2024 by London Wanderer

[Sweep]

34 minutes ago, Ani said:

Are people using the fact that there were so many arrests at NHC as proof of Two Tier policing or to disprove it? 

Both

[kent_white]

35 minutes ago, Ani said:

Are people using the fact that there were so many arrests at NHC as proof of Two Tier policing or to disprove it? 

I'm not sure. I got confused about 3 pages ago! 😂

[Alf Hartigan]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I’m not sure what point people are making tbh

Same here

[royal white]

It’s simple, people, many from Notting Hill, want the carnival banned or cancelled because of all the crime it attracts.

 

Someone living in Scotland thinks they’re being ridiculous as it’s a peaceful event. 
 

Thats it basically. 

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, royal white said:

Crept its way in 😂

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13783371/amp/notting-hill-carnival-arrests-five-year-high-stabbbings-sex-attacks-thefts.html

You’re getting very fixated on language semantics mate.

 I’m not in any way dismissing how awful the behaviour is. I’m only saying how daft it is to suggest banning it.

It’s a weekend event of 2 million people ffs.

 Maybe we should ban going out at the weekend because gangs are operating in town centres 🙃

[royal white]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

You’re getting very fixated on language semantics mate.

 I’m not in any way dismissing how awful the behaviour is. I’m only saying how daft it is to suggest banning it.

It’s a weekend event of 2 million people ffs.

 Maybe we should ban going out at the weekend because gangs are operating in town centres 🙃

If you organise an event in a town centre and it’s continually attracts stabbings, rapes etc it would soon be banned. 

[London Wanderer]

Just now, royal white said:

It’s simple, people, many from Notting Hill, want the carnival banned or cancelled because of all the crime it attracts.

 

Someone living in Scotland thinks they’re being ridiculous as it’s a peaceful event. 
 

Thats it basically. 

😂

Now you’re just making stuff up out of thin air ya Fanny. I said the majority of people there are attending peacefully. Not sure how you’ve managed to twist it, but not surprised. You’re not really capable of discussing things. 
 

Local communities are involved in the carnival & support it. The issues are along its route.

See the quote below. Nobody is suggesting banning it 😂

Local Tory MP Victoria Borwick, who commissioned the poll, called for changes to the way Carnival is run to make it a more positive experience for people who live along the route. 

The event has broad support across the borough of Kensington and Chelsea as a whole with thousands attending every year, but local residents have suffered problems including crime and anti-social behaviour. 
 

Suggested improvements included more toilet facilities, dropping the traditional August Bank Holiday Monday in favour of the Saturday and even ending the parade with a festival in Hyde Park.

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

😂

Now you’re just making stuff up out of thin air ya Fanny. I said the majority of people there are attending peacefully. Not sure how you’ve managed to twist it, but not surprised. You’re not really capable of discussing things. 
 

Local communities are involved in the carnival & support it. The issues are along its route.

See the quote below. Nobody is suggesting banning it 😂

 

Local Tory MP Victoria Borwick, who commissioned the poll, called for changes to the way Carnival is run to make it a more positive experience for people who live along the route. 

The event has broad support across the borough of Kensington and Chelsea as a whole with thousands attending every year, but local residents have suffered problems including crime and anti-social behaviour. 
 

Suggested improvements included more toilet facilities, dropping the traditional August Bank Holiday Monday in favour of the Saturday and even ending the parade with a festival in Hyde Park.

This whole debate has come from a tweet off a bloke saying it should be banned and you’ve just said no one is suggesting banning it 😅

You really are special 

[gonzo]

A quick Google for the carnival over the years suggests it's always been rife with stabbings, gang violence and arrests.

Seems to be in the news every single year.

Are we saying it's reported wrong or embellished?

Two tier reporting?

[royal white]

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

A quick Google for the carnival over the years suggests it's always been rife with stabbings, gang violence and arrests.

Seems to be in the news every single year.

Are we saying it's reported wrong or embellished?

Two tier reporting?

It’s just creeping in 🤪

you couldn’t name one event similar to this (hence why football gets dragged into it) that has these kinds of crimes. Yet year in year out it’s allowed to go ahead and year in year out we same the headlines. 

[London Wanderer]

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

This whole debate has come from a tweet off a bloke saying it should be banned and you’ve just said no one is suggesting banning it 😅

Nobody in the post from the article I was about to attach below ya muppet 😂 Making stuff up again because you can't read. 

The local MP, the police... they're not looking to ban but looking at changes. Re-read the post again and focus on the bit that says 'see the quote below' and the position of that clause 😉

I'm sure there are plenty from your twitter feed who want it banned though. Keep posting away. We all want to hear what 'concerned citizen has to say'. 

14 minutes ago, royal white said:

If you organise an event in a town centre and it’s continually attracts stabbings, rapes etc it would soon be banned. 

Nightclubs have in the past been rife with sexual assaults and harassments. Did we ban clubbing or look to change the culture and behaviour? 

For someone who says they don't want NHC banned, you sound very sympathetic to those that do🙂

All I'm saying is banning it is a daft idea. I'm not denying the issues. We can leave it there x 

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Nobody in the post from the article I was about to attach below ya muppet 😂 Making stuff up again because you can't read. 

The local MP, the police... they're not looking to ban but looking at changes. Re-read the post again and focus on the bit that says 'see the quote below' and the position of that clause 😉

I'm sure there are plenty from your twitter feed who want it banned though. Keep posting away. We all want to hear what 'concerned citizen has to say'. 

Nightclubs have in the past been rife with sexual assaults and harassments. Did we ban clubbing or look to change the culture and behaviour? 

For someone who says they don't want NHC banned, you sound very sympathetic to those that do🙂

All I'm saying is banning it is a daft idea. I'm not denying the issues. We can leave it there x 

Closed the clubs/pubs if it happened regularly 

https://www.westminsterextra.co.uk/article/soho-bar-closure-after-sex-assault-allegation
 

https://www.messengernewspapers.co.uk/news/24134419.pub-ordered-close-two-arrested-following-warrant/
 

https://www.merseyside.police.uk/news/merseyside/news/2024/january/pub-in-st-helens-closed-after-licence-revoked/
 

I could  literally post 100s 

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

Closed the clubs/pubs if it happened regularly 

https://www.westminsterextra.co.uk/article/soho-bar-closure-after-sex-assault-allegation
 

https://www.messengernewspapers.co.uk/news/24134419.pub-ordered-close-two-arrested-following-warrant/
 

https://www.merseyside.police.uk/news/merseyside/news/2024/january/pub-in-st-helens-closed-after-licence-revoked/
 

I could  literally post 100s 

I was talking about the whole clubbing scene

As you know

NHC isn't an event that takes place in one easy to manage venue. It takes place over a massive area of London with over a million people attending over 3 days. That's a huge proportion of the capital city attending every year. Why do you think they should be stopped because of the violent actions of a minority? 

Folk are stabbed every weekend in London. It's an epidemic of knife crime and gang culture. Not the fault of the carnival and banning it is a ridiculous solution to the problem. It won't make sexual violence and knife crime go away 

[London Wanderer]

21 minutes ago, gonzo said:

A quick Google for the carnival over the years suggests it's always been rife with stabbings, gang violence and arrests.

Seems to be in the news every single year.

Are we saying it's reported wrong or embellished?

Two tier reporting?

This year was particularly awful. Something needs to be done clearly.

Important to put into context with the numbers of people attending. 

I think moving it is the better solution. 

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I was talking about the whole clubbing scene

As you know

NHC isn't an event that takes place in one easy to manage venue. It takes place over a massive area of London with over a million people attending over 3 days. That's a huge proportion of the capital city attending every year. Why do you think they should be stopped because of the violent actions of a minority? 

Folk are stabbed every weekend in London. It's an epidemic of knife crime and gang culture. Not the fault of the carnival and banning it is a ridiculous solution to the problem. It won't make sexual violence and knife crime go away 

Back down to over a million over 3 days now 😂
 

Do you think those stabbings/rapes/acid attacks/police getting attacked happens if there’s no carnival? 
 

Can you name Any similar event that attracts similar crimes? 

Edited August 28, 2024 by royal white

[Casino]

10 minutes ago, royal white said:

 

Do you think those stabbings/rapes/acid attacks/police getting attacked happens if there’s no carnival? 

Im not arsed whether it takes place or if its stopped as id not go within miles of it

 

However, you seem to suggesting folk do this stuff cos of carnival

 

Ooh, theres a carnival, ill go and stab/glass/stab somebody

 

#cuntswillbecunts

[SatanGreavsie]

To be fair to the NHC it has its moments that bring people together, where however difficult the challenge they think "what if....what if I could immerse myself in this and spread a little happiness"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[royal white]

13 minutes ago, Casino said:

Im not arsed whether it takes place or if its stopped as id not go within miles of it

 

However, you seem to suggesting folk do this stuff cos of carnival

 

Ooh, theres a carnival, ill go and stab/glass/stab somebody

 

#cuntswillbecunts

Regardless if cunts are being cunts the carnival attracts trouble. No one can deny that. 

[London Wanderer]

27 minutes ago, royal white said:

Back down to over a million over 3 days now 😂
 

Do you think those stabbings/rapes/acid attacks/police getting attacked happens if there’s no carnival? 
 

Can you name Any similar event that attracts similar crimes? 

What you on about ? Did you not know it was a 3 day carnival? 😂 you thought I didn’t know?

 There are plenty sources saying up to 2 million attend every year.

these kinds of crimes are rife everywhere it seems

Honest question- should we ban the carnival to stop them?

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

What you on about ? Did you not know it was a 3 day carnival? 😂 you thought I didn’t know?

 There are plenty sources saying up to 2 million attend every year.

these kinds of crimes are rife everywhere it seems

Honest question- should we ban the carnival to stop them?

Of course I did, it’s just your figures have been varying throughout the day. 
 

If they can’t find an alternative place next year it needs to be cancelled. 

Now can you try and answer my question. Is there any other event that you can think of that attracts this level of crime? 

[Zico]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Back down to over a million over 3 days now 😂
 

Do you think those stabbings/rapes/acid attacks/police getting attacked happens if there’s no carnival? 
 

Can you name Any similar event that attracts similar crimes? 

Park life? 

Someone did get killed there and it always kicks off 

https://metro.co.uk/2024/06/11/mass-brawl-erupts-parklife-festival-police-arrest-52-people-21010397/

As a percentage arrests around the same number 

[London Wanderer]

29 minutes ago, royal white said:

Of course I did, it’s just your figures have been varying throughout the day. 
 

If they can’t find an alternative place next year it needs to be cancelled. 

Now can you try and answer my question. Is there any other event that you can think of that attracts this level of crime? 

Two million, over a million. Stop obsessing over semantics. It’s all out there for folk to read.

 I’d be more interested if you take 2 million people across London on any given weekend, & see what the average number of arrests & other incidents there are.

[London Wanderer]

11 minutes ago, Zico said:

Park life? 

Someone did get killed there and it always kicks off 

https://metro.co.uk/2024/06/11/mass-brawl-erupts-parklife-festival-police-arrest-52-people-21010397/

 

140,000 attended 

Police say the vast majority acted responsibly 

Probably be similar figures to NHC if the numbers were the same & it wasn’t ticketed.