Meanwhile In England

[Zico]

14 minutes ago, royal white said:

No

Around the ground, outside the pubs. 10 people spark up a joint. Police aren’t turning a blind eye 

Probably not at the cricket or rugby either

Be loads at these oasis gigs though 

Seen it many times at big outdoor gigs with a police presence 

[Zico]

14 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

No, you don't.

Far more nuanced.

I covered some of it in my post.

I'm going off what the retired police officer is saying in that article 

He's saying police officers are scared to make arrests through fear of being accused of being racist 

And says to prove it folk (presumably black) are allowed to smoke weed at the carnival 

Yet we have stats telling us 38 arrests for drug offences 

Maybe they let some things slide, but I'm not seeing any evidence of two tier policing, at least by what my understanding of two tier policing is

[royal white]

7 minutes ago, Zico said:

Probably not at the cricket or rugby either

Be loads at these oasis gigs though 

Seen it many times at big outdoor gigs with a police presence 

So you don’t believe in 2 tier policing yet you’ve just given an example of it 🤷🏻

[Zico]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

So you don’t believe in 2 tier policing yet you’ve just given an example of it 🤷🏻

My understanding of "two tier" policing is that minorites are treated differently 

Eg at protests, pro Palestine v anti immigration, that's where this recent use of the phrase started 

And that's what the bloke in the article you posted was going on about, less arrests being made at Notting hill through fear of racism 

I agree though, 10 black lads are far more likely to get arrested smoking weed at the football than they are at Notting hill carnival 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Zico said:

My understanding of "two tier" policing is that minorites are treated differently 

Eg at protests, pro Palestine v anti immigration, that's where this recent use of the phrase started 

And that's what the bloke in the article you posted was going on about, less arrests being made at Notting hill through fear of racism 

I agree though, 10 black lads are far more likely to get arrested smoking weed at the football than they are at Notting hill carnival 

It’s can be other things. Look at the stop oil lunatics, sat blocking traffic  on roads and motorways around the country. Police asking if they’re ok and if they can  do anything for them. What would be the police reaction if football fans or a stop the boats group did that? 

[Zico]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

It’s can be other things. Look at the stop oil lunatics, sat blocking traffic  on roads and motorways around the country. Police asking if they’re ok and if they can  do anything for them. What would be the police reaction if football fans or a stop the boats group did that? 

Stop oil folk just got 5 years

[kent_white]

I think coppers are allowed to show some discretion aren't they? 

If I was a copper I'd also be much more likely to have a word with 10 lads in Stone Island smoking weed outside an away pub at the match as opposed to 10 hippies smoking weed outside the psytrance tent at Glastonbury. For example. 

I imagine that's what's going on here? And it seems pretty sensible to me.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

If there is an example of two-tier policing, it's probably the policing of the gathering of Asian man in Birmingham during the riots earlier this month

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Zico said:

Stop oil folk just got 5 years

The police don’t do sentencing. Did you see the list of disturbances that they caused? That list wouldn’t be available  if the police had moved them on. 

[Ani]

Two tier policing seems to be different incidents being policed in different ways. 

[kent_white]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

The police don’t do sentencing. Did you see the list of disturbances that they caused? That list wouldn’t be available  if the police had moved them on. 

I'm confused now. Are you saying they should have been arrested or they shouldn't have? 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

I'm confused now. Are you saying they should have been arrested or they shouldn't have? 

They should have been prevented from blocking the roads, either by moving them on or arresting them if they refused. 
 

They shouldn’t have been allowed to sit there whilst the police ask them if they need any help or assistance just ask. 

[kent_white]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

They should have been prevented from blocking the roads, either by moving them on or arresting them if they refused. 
 

They shouldn’t have been allowed to sit there whilst the police ask them if they need any help or assistance just ask. 

I didn't realise they had? 

Take your point about not moving them on on the first place. I'm just confused about how it relates to someone having a spliff at Notting Hill Carnival? 

I guess a black guy getting stop and searched in London would argue that there's 2 tier policing as well. 

I just think it's horses for courses. And coppers are showing a bit of discretion in some places - and being more forceful in others. 

I imagine some of it is about the relative safety of the officers and the public too?

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I didn't realise they had? 

Take your point about not moving them on on the first place. I'm just confused about how it relates to someone having a spliff at Notting Hill Carnival? 

I guess a black guy getting stop and searched in London would argue that there's 2 tier policing as well. 

I just think it's horses for courses. And coppers are showing a bit of discretion in some places - and being more forceful in others. 

I imagine some of it is about the relative safety of the officers and the public too?

It doesn’t, I was using another example for zico who thought 2 tier policing was all about black against whites.
 

Anyway, let’s just imagine the stench on this man pants 🤢

 

 

 

[Duck Egg]

Fookin ell. So the term two tier policing isn't referring solely to how the Police handle race issues? It's just consistency of approach? About 30 years ago I got a parking ticket outside Tommy Wright's one Friday night. The week after, I watched a different copper walk past some blokes car parked full on the zig zags (my offence was merely my back wheels) and do nowt. Two tier erm, John Major. 

[Zico]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

It doesn’t, I was using another example for zico who thought 2 tier policing was all about black against whites.

That's only because you posted a link about racial two tier policing with the line "two tier policing innit bruv"

If you'd posted a link to stop oil instead we'd have not gone down that particular tangent

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, Zico said:

That's only because you posted a link about racial two tier policing with the line "two tier policing innit bruv"

If you'd posted a link to stop oil instead we'd have not gone down that particular tangent

You can say that again

[kent_white]

12 minutes ago, royal white said:

It doesn’t, I was using another example for zico who thought 2 tier policing was all about black against whites.
 

Anyway, let’s just imagine the stench on this man pants 🤢

 

 

Fair enough......

"Two Tier Policing" does seem the latest phrase to have suddenly started being repeated ad nauseum by some of my more right wing friends. 

What they really mean is 'why aren't Asian lads who are rioting rounded up and prosecuted with the same gusto as the anti immigration ones were'. Which is a reasonable thing to ask. 

[London Wanderer]

58 minutes ago, Zico said:

Stop oil folk just got 5 years

Beat me to it 😂

[Alf Hartigan]

Nobody gets in trouble for having a spliff at Glastonbury. Never have done

[royal white]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Beat me to it 😂

See above 👍

[Zico]

13 minutes ago, royal white said:

See above 👍

You have to be arrested to get charged 

And the government did bring in stricter new public order acts to specifically target these types of protest and allow the police to get stuck in 

https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/10/31/just-stop-oil-protesters-arrested-after-10-minutes-under-uks-repressive-new-anti-protest-l

 

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, Zico said:

You have to be arrested to get charged 

And the government did bring in stricter new public order acts to specifically target these types of protest and allow the police to get stuck in 

https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/10/31/just-stop-oil-protesters-arrested-after-10-minutes-under-uks-repressive-new-anti-protest-l

 

But they didnt do that at first did they? which resulted in millions of pounds being lost, people not getting to work, people missing hospital appointments etc 

[Zico]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

But they didnt do that at first did they? which resulted in millions of pounds being lost, people not getting to work, people missing hospital appointments etc 

No, not at first, but they changed the law to specifically target them 

They might argue that's two tier policing as well

[Jol_BWFC]

42 minutes ago, Zico said:

That's only because you posted a link about racial two tier policing with the line "two tier policing innit bruv"

If you'd posted a link to stop oil instead we'd have not gone down that particular tangent

Pointless debating something with these guys when the goalposts move to suit their agenda for the day. Whites v Asians. Whites v Blacks. Palestinians v Jews. Muslims v Right wing thugs. Carnival goers v Football fans.

Tomorrow’s two tier agenda will be two tier broadcasting (BBC / Jenas v ITV / Schofield).