6 coppers to take him down or 1 member of the public with his bike? 
 

 

 

33 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

It isn’t just immigration though is it? (Over 1400 this week by the way)

They are ahead in the polls because of this Labour government and the last Tory one. 
Anyway, another U-turn on the way ( others will follow) Luckily, there are many, including Labour mp’s who know when things are wrong. 

Absolutely 

Nice to see they’re campaigning for the release of people who incited widespread rioting, violence & racial hatred. That’ll help keep us all safer won’t it? Sounds like culture politics to me. 

Deport the foreign extremists & release all the white British ones.

Ok then Richard 👍

Edited June 26, 2025Jun 26 by London Wanderer

12 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Absolutely 

Nice to see they’re campaigning for the release of people who incited widespread rioting, violence & racial hatred. That’ll help keep us all safer won’t it? Sounds like culture politics to me. 

Deport the foreign extremists & release all the white British ones.

Ok then Richard 👍

Well yes but I think people are more concerned about the economy, immigration and other issues. You and others are more concerned about Reform. Concern yourself about the 250,000 people who will be pushed into poverty because of the welfare cuts (if they go ahead) and you’ll understand why the polls show that 75% of the electorate WON’T be voting Labour. 

36 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Well yes but I think people are more concerned about the economy, immigration and other issues. You and others are more concerned about Reform. Concern yourself about the 250,000 people who will be pushed into poverty because of the welfare cuts (if they go ahead) and you’ll understand why the polls show that 75% of the electorate WON’T be voting Labour. 

I've not seen anything to suggest Reform could run a government that is capable of doing the basics let alone sort out any of the big issues 

They're just a protest vote 

Hopefully Labour can demonstrate some sort of improvements over the next 4 years

Even then 

It might not be enough

 

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

Well yes but I think people are more concerned about the economy, immigration and other issues. You and others are more concerned about Reform. Concern yourself about the 250,000 people who will be pushed into poverty because of the welfare cuts (if they go ahead) and you’ll understand why the polls show that 75% of the electorate WON’T be voting Labour. 

Why are you making things up?

I’ve just responded to an incredibly daft policy idea from Reform. And from that you’ve drawn that conclusion. Crikey.

Dont even disagree with the rest of the post

Edited June 26, 2025Jun 26 by London Wanderer

31 minutes ago, Zico said:

I've not seen anything to suggest Reform could run a government that is capable of doing the basics let alone sort out any of the big issues 

They're just a protest vote 

Hopefully Labour can demonstrate some sort of improvements over the next 5 years

Even then 

It might not be enough

 

I mentioned the other day about the Lib Dem’s. No one seems to give them much coverage. Maybe be if they had a more competent leader like Daisy Cooper? They have a chance to fill the void if they stepped up their game. 
Right now, I’d settle for a coalition. 

Edited June 26, 2025Jun 26 by BobyBrno
Liked competent better

A general election tomorrow would almost certainly return a hung Parliament.

thing is, there isn’t an election tomorrow so it’s one for the birds.

The welfare reform stuff looks likely to be tweaked. They’re listening.

 

22 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Why are you making things up?

I’ve just responded to an incredibly daft policy idea from Reform. And from that I’ve drawn that conclusion. Crikey.

Dont even disagree with the rest of the post

The bit that you’ve highlighted isn’t made up. It’s a fact. I have a graph.😉

Edited June 26, 2025Jun 26 by BobyBrno

45 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

The bit that you’ve highlighted isn’t made up. It’s a fact. I have a graph.😉

😂

I’d love to see that

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

😂

I’d love to see that

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/economy-and-immigration-remain-britains-biggest-issues

12 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/economy-and-immigration-remain-britains-biggest-issues

Who are those 1,010 people they asked?

The closer we come to a GE - the more time Labour's policies will have had to bed in and make a difference (either positively or negatively). 

And also - the closer we come to a GE - the more closely Reform's actual policies around immigration particularly (which is riddled with issues) and their performance in local councils will be brought into sharp focus. As will their policies in other areas. 

In my opinion - a significant proportion of the voting population in the UK seem to have expected Labour to come in, wave a magic wand and fix everything overnight. And are now throwing their toys out of the pram because it's taking some time. Another smaller (but very vocal) minority are just obnoxious and hate everything Labour do with an infantile amount of anger and vitriol). Those people are always going to be a lost cause I think. 

Voting for a party and then absolutely despising them when they do something you don't agree with is a daft way to live your life (again in my opinion). 

KS - just seems to be ignoring the uproar and continues to just plug away in the backhround - which I think is the right approach. His approach is a bit cheesy and Americanised at times (or at least what I'd used to to class as Americanised. I'm not even sure if that's relevant anymore) 😁

 

 

10 minutes ago, Spider said:

Who are those 1,010 people they asked?

No idea. The government seem to react to polls though. Also local election results ( the polls were spot on) and rebelling MP’s. 
They don’t listen to anyone on here though. Especially me.👍
 

11 minutes ago, kent_white said:

 

Voting for a party and then absolutely despising them when they do something you don't agree with is a daft way to live your life (again in my opinion).  

 

 

Remember, only 33% of voters went for Labour. So 2/3 were never going to give them an easy ride. Things have got worse with no signs of improvement so the polls show only 25% support now. 
It’s politics. 🤷‍♂️

36 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/economy-and-immigration-remain-britains-biggest-issues

I know why I’m so confused 

I’ve only gone & highlighted the wrong bit. I meant to highlight the bit where you said

“You and others are more concerned about Reform”

Thats what I meant when I said you’re making stuff up & I’d love up see a graph for it 😁

 you’re right, those are the biggest issues for voters. My bad 👍

Edited June 26, 2025Jun 26 by London Wanderer

5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I know why I’m so confused 

I’ve only gone & highlighted the wrong bit. I meant to highlight the bit where you said

“You and others are more concerned about Reform”

Thats what I meant when I said you’re making stuff up & I’d love up see a graph for it 😁

 you’re right, those are the biggest issues for voters. My bad 👍

👍

3 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Anyway, another U-turn on the way ( others will follow) Luckily, there are many, including Labour mp’s who know when things are wrong. 

Mr. Beige U Turn homing in on a quickfire hat trick.

13 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Remember, only 33% of voters went for Labour. So 2/3 were never going to give them an easy ride. Things have got worse with no signs of improvement so the polls show only 25% support now. 
It’s politics. 🤷‍♂️

I think there's 'not giving them an easy ride' ie holding them to account. 

And then there's screaming in dismay at absolutely anything that they do, even when that's something people would have applauded if their party of choice had implemented it. 

It's just tiring to try and talk to these type of people because all rational discussion seems to have gone out of the window. 

And we've already shown as a country how important controlling immigration is as a topic. I still maintain that is why most leavers voted the way they did during Brexit. Even though the opposite has transpired. 

So I think we've got a track record as a country about making crazy decisions because we want to control immigration above everything else - and I think voting in Reform to that end would be an equally (if not potentially more crazy) decision. 

This is why it's now such a crucial issue for Labour to make inroads into. Do that and I think they will largely stop Reform in its tracks. 

They should for example be much more vocal about the fact that net migration to the UK is down by around 50% year on year (even if that is largely down to policies the Tories enacted and Labour kept). 

I still think there is this perception that the people they see in the street have come here on a boat, when in reality that's a tiny fraction on the overall numbers. 

14 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

👍

He's gone off on one again I see.

Needs to spend less time following the example set by a termagant.

12 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I think there's 'not giving them an easy ride' ie holding them to account. 

And then there's screaming in dismay at absolutely anything that they do, even when that's something people would have applauded if their party of choice had implemented it. 

It's just tiring to try and talk to these type of people because all rational discussion seems to have gone out of the window. 

And we've already shown as a country how important controlling immigration is as a topic. I still maintain that is why most leavers voted the way they did during Brexit. Even though the opposite has transpired. 

So I think we've got a track record as a country about making crazy decisions because we want to control immigration above everything else - and I think voting in Reform to that end would be an equally (if not potentially more crazy) decision. 

This is why it's now such a crucial issue for Labour to make inroads into. Do that and I think they will largely stop Reform in its tracks. 

They should for example be much more vocal about the fact that net migration to the UK is down by around 50% year on year (even if that is largely down to policies the Tories enacted and Labour kept). 

I still think there is this perception that the people they see in the street have come here on a boat, when in reality that's a tiny fraction on the overall numbers. 

A lot to digest. The ‘screaming’ as you put it is about policies that were obviously wrong. As I’ve said, it’s the people in the Labour Party that they will be most concerned about at the moment. The polls less so as the election is 4 years away. 
For me, the polls reflect dissatisfaction with Labour rather than support for Reform or others. 

2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

A lot to digest. The ‘screaming’ as you put it is about policies that were obviously wrong. As I’ve said, it’s the people in the Labour Party that they will be most concerned about at the moment. The polls less so as the election is 4 years away. 
For me, the polls reflect dissatisfaction with Labour rather than support for Reform or others. 

So the polls reflect dissatisfaction with Labour and support for Reform, but we should only discuss the former, and anyone who discusses the latter is misguided? Can we not discuss both, or even delve into possible correlations?

8 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

A lot to digest. The ‘screaming’ as you put it is about policies that were obviously wrong. As I’ve said, it’s the people in the Labour Party that they will be most concerned about at the moment. The polls less so as the election is 4 years away. 
For me, the polls reflect dissatisfaction with Labour rather than support for Reform or others. 

I'm not sure I would agree that they were 'obviously wrong'. 

I would agree that they were poorly communicated and have led to a lot of misguided anger, often fuelled by sections of the media that are deliberately misinforming or only partly informing people - and inflamed by bell ends on social media. 

On the flip side - they've had a lot of successes that people forget about such as ending the public sector strikes, scrapping the Rwanda scheme, reformed workers rights, increased the minimum wage for the three million lowest paid people, begun NHS reforms, established Great British Energy, reset the relationship with Europe, implemented reform of the prison system, announced a free trade agreement with India and announced a limited free trade agreement with the US, as examples. 

Sadly all that gets forgotten by a large proportion of the electorate whenever they see a picture of Nigel Farage or some boats with refugees on them.

They're far from perfect. And there's much I disagree with them on. But their rationale seems sound, they work hard by the looks of things, and I think Keir Starmer is a confident statesman. 

I just wish we could have a bit more balance in people's thinking instead of this 'two legs bad, four legs good' mentality. 

Just seems to me that people have a predetermined opposition to anything they try to do, and don't give credit for any good work where it's due. 

I also acknowledge that the opposite can be true and was definitely happening when the Tories were in power too. But the vitriol seems odd the scale at the moment. 

Anyway - there's my rant! 

 

43 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I'm not sure I would agree that they were 'obviously wrong'. 

I would agree that they were poorly communicated and have led to a lot of misguided anger, often fuelled by sections of the media that are deliberately misinforming or only partly informing people - and inflamed by bell ends on social media. 

On the flip side - they've had a lot of successes that people forget about such as ending the public sector strikes, scrapping the Rwanda scheme, reformed workers rights, increased the minimum wage for the three million lowest paid people, begun NHS reforms, established Great British Energy, reset the relationship with Europe, implemented reform of the prison system, announced a free trade agreement with India and announced a limited free trade agreement with the US, as examples. 

Sadly all that gets forgotten by a large proportion of the electorate whenever they see a picture of Nigel Farage or some boats with refugees on them.

They're far from perfect. And there's much I disagree with them on. But their rationale seems sound, they work hard by the looks of things, and I think Keir Starmer is a confident statesman. 

I just wish we could have a bit more balance in people's thinking instead of this 'two legs bad, four legs good' mentality. 

Just seems to me that people have a predetermined opposition to anything they try to do, and don't give credit for any good work where it's due. 

I also acknowledge that the opposite can be true and was definitely happening when the Tories were in power too. But the vitriol seems odd the scale at the moment. 

Anyway - there's my rant! 

 

You’ve mentioned a lot there but missed out the main things the electorate are concerned about. The economy. 

Just now, BobyBrno said:

You’ve mentioned a lot there but missed out the main things the electorate are concerned about. The economy. 

That's going to take years to turn around. Barring any black swan type events. But you can see from the list of achievements how they are putting the building blocks in place! 

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

But you can see from the list of achievements how they are putting the building blocks in place! 

Or I can at least! 😁

Speaking of the economy...

https://archive.md/dADIn

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