Meanwhile In England

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Governments legislate and police are supposed to operate according to those laws.

At the moment, there seems to be muddled thinking at best and damned right ignorance as to what the public expect and demand.

We've seen the results of it all with repeated failings with grooming gangs etc.

PCCs and chief constables set the tone- hopefully our new one will return GMP back to something like what they should be. 

If it needs new legislation to remove the "wokeness" and fear from policing, and put some semblance of common sense back into it, then bring it on.

There’s obviously some confusion amongst the ranks. No way can police from certain forces act accordingly yet others just stand there doing nothing. Get 20 football fans to sit in a main rd near the ground holding a demo and see what happens likewise get one of your mates to grab a copper and say “you’re nicked”  

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

There’s obviously some confusion amongst the ranks. No way can police from certain forces act accordingly yet others just stand there doing nothing. Get 20 football fans to sit in a main rd near the ground holding a demo and see what happens likewise get one of your mates to grab a copper and say “you’re nicked”  

Absolutely. 

This new act can't come soon enough. It was requested by a senior person in policing in a report to government- can't remember his name- the police need new laws to deal with new ways of protecting. 

That said, some of the soft arse stuff isn't as a result of confusion over the law, its just identity policing, pandering to a loud mouthed minority.

I do feel for some of the lower ranking officers; they need proper direction and backing, but at the same time, some of them need to grow a pair.

Plenty of talk about getting back to proper policing, but the proof will be in the actions.

[Cheese]

19 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Absolutely. 

This new act can't come soon enough. It was requested by a senior person in policing in a report to government- can't remember his name- the police need new laws to deal with new ways of protecting. 

That said, some of the soft arse stuff isn't as a result of confusion over the law, its just identity policing, pandering to a loud mouthed minority.

I do feel for some of the lower ranking officers; they need proper direction and backing, but at the same time, some of them need to grow a pair.

Plenty of talk about getting back to proper policing, but the proof will be in the actions.

What "new Act" can't come soon enough? Are you referring to the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act that came into force in June?

[gonzo]

Do we want our police to be like them animals in spain?

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Do we want our police to be like them animals in spain?

How are they animals?

[gonzo]

58 minutes ago, royal white said:

How are they animals?

Were you in Madrid that night?

[Alf Hartigan]

7 hours ago, Carlos said:

Heard who it was, they should have stabbed him up some more, what a prick he is. Also, not a fighter, he’d get banjoed by anyone over the age of 10.

Seriously?????????????????

[Alf Hartigan]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

How are they animals?

They were hitting completely innocent fans over the head with batons (causing some bad injuries) and charging queues into the ground on horseback, for no other reason than singing loudly. Witnessed it first hand and close up. And I'm ex police, animals is a good description as any in my opiniion.

[royal white]

9 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Were you in Madrid that night?

Fkinell I didn’t have you down as a snowflake 😂😂 what’s app me mate for some reassurance 😘

[London Wanderer]

7 hours ago, royal white said:

Tougher policing, end of.

There's now years of well-researched evidence that heavy handed policing can often make a situation worse. The police have started taking this on board more since the turn of the century and we're actually seeing less violence at protests. 

You have to find a balance. They've decided to be less heavy handed and manage the situation more safely. They don't always get it right but many of those protesters will now face harsher punishments in the courts than they would this time last year.

To be honest - I'm more concerned that Fracking is back, and that we've given out hundreds more licences to drill for oil. Whilst renewables and house insulation take the back seat. It's almost impossible to argue that the Tories are in any way committed to net Zero. But that's a different debate. 

 

Edited October 9, 2022 by London Wanderer

[Cheese]

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

Fkinell I didn’t have you down as a snowflake 😂😂 

🤦‍♂️ We got there eventually. "Snowflakes" have infiltrated the system and been writing Police procedures and policies for the last 12 years.

[Zico]

Need to go clockwork orange and let the offenders become the police 

[royal white]

18 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said:

They were hitting completely innocent fans over the head with batons (causing some bad injuries) and charging queues into the ground on horseback, for no other reason than singing loudly. Witnessed it first hand and close up. And I'm ex police, animals is a good description as any in my opiniion.

So from an incident 15 years ago we are now labelling a country’s whole police force as animals? Well in that case the U.K. police are animals and we don’t need tougher policing, I witnessed police at Derby weighing into dozens of fans outside the ground about 18 years ago (and numerous other grounds). 

[Alf Hartigan]

22 minutes ago, royal white said:

So from an incident 15 years ago we are now labelling a country’s whole police force as animals? Well in that case the U.K. police are animals and we don’t need tougher policing, I witnessed police at Derby weighing into dozens of fans outside the ground about 18 years ago (and numerous other grounds). 

I didn't label them all as animals. I labelled those police in Madrid as animals, but I think you know this.

[Carlos]

54 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said:

Seriously?????????????????

There’s zero chance what the BN wrote is accurate, it’s far more likely that he started it. It’s almost a certainty in fact.

[royal white]

6 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said:

I didn't label them all as animals. I labelled those police in Madrid as animals, but I think you know this.

Gonzo said do you want our police to be like the animals in Spain, to which you agreed, you do know this. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[London Wanderer]

It's astonishing the amount of time and money that goes into policing football. Week in week out. 

Imagine the resources they would have to focus on other areas if blokes could be trusted to control themselves at a game? The nonces they'd be able to catch and the number of burglaries they'd be able to crack.  

Which is why it's hilarious seeing football fans have a meltdown over a few swampy fuckers in the road. 
 

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, Carlos said:

There’s zero chance what the BN wrote is accurate, it’s far more likely that he started it. It’s almost a certainty in fact.

I’ve seen a few people comment on social media who know him and said he was having his car robbed, I’ve not seen anyone say he deserved to be stabbed more, come on Carlos what are you hiding? 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

It's astonishing the amount of time and money that goes into policing football. Week in week out. 

Imagine the resources they would have to focus on other areas if blokes could be trusted to control themselves at a game? The nonces they'd be able to catch and the number of burglaries they'd be able to crack.  

Which is why it's hilarious seeing football fans have a meltdown over a few swampy fuckers in the road. 
 

Isn’t a lot of it overkill? Also the cost is covered by the club isn’t it? I doubt policing an extinct rebellion (or whatever they’re called) demo comes out of their coffers? 

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

It's astonishing the amount of time and money that goes into policing football. Week in week out. 

Imagine the resources they would have to focus on other areas if blokes could be trusted to control themselves at a game? The nonces they'd be able to catch and the number of burglaries they'd be able to crack.  

Which is why it's hilarious seeing football fans have a meltdown over a few swampy fuckers in the road. 

"The Police should be tougher!" - unless they're dealing with cokeheads, wife beaters, cowboy builders, and football hooligans.

[London Wanderer]

13 minutes ago, royal white said:

Isn’t a lot of it overkill? Also the cost is covered by the club isn’t it? I doubt policing an extinct rebellion (or whatever they’re called) demo comes out of their coffers? 

Nah mate, there would be all sorts of damage caused to businesses and bystanders if certain fans were left to it. 

The emotion created in football is second to none -so I get it's complex and probably needs some level of policing - I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. Far more police time is wasted on policing football than dealing with hippies - surely you're not denying that? 

It's not just about the money that is covered to an extent by clubs. It's also about the time police spend planning and policing it that could be spent doing more important aspects of their job. 

[jeep]

29 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

It's astonishing the amount of time and money that goes into policing football. Week in week out. 

Imagine the resources they would have to focus on other areas if blokes could be trusted to control themselves at a game? The nonces they'd be able to catch and the number of burglaries they'd be able to crack.  

Which is why it's hilarious seeing football fans have a meltdown over a few swampy fuckers in the road. 
 

Isn't football policing usually Overtime for them? The few coppers I know used to say it was.

Therefore, they should be catching the nonces & burglars in their normal working hours....

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Nah mate, there would be all sorts of damage caused to businesses and bystanders if certain fans were left to it. 

The emotion created in football is second to none -so I get it's complex and probably needs some level of policing - I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. Far more police time is wasted on policing football than dealing with hippies - surely you're not denying that? 

It's not just about the money that is covered to an extent by clubs. It's also about the time police spend planning and policing it that could be spent doing more important aspects of their job. 

Certain fans being a big factor, most clubs have an overkill of police. It’s ridiculous, I think it was David Whelan who made a point of it years ago, especially when you look at events like boxing, where it’s pretty much nailed on to kick off yet theres hardly, if any police at all. Yes I’d agree more time is wasted on football fans and I’m sure you’d agree police actions towards football fans differs more than that towards protestors. 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, jeep said:

Isn't football policing usually Overtime for them? The few coppers I know used to say it was.

Therefore, they should be catching the nonces & burglars in their normal working hours....

Yes the majority of it is 

[Alf Hartigan]

I used to work in Warrington 1989-2000 and it was always overtime doing the Rugby League. I did it regularly and the worst thing I had to deal with was telling some Hull fans to stop ballooning.