bolty58 Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 13 hours ago, London Wanderer said: You and Royal should start your own thread for this one fella. You both clearly have a fetish for fantasying over tougher policing on the swampy brigade. Not particularly. Just despise cunts who think it's legitimate to disrupt the normal everyday life of people going about their normal everyday business - often working and paying taxes which provide benefits to lazy, workshy bludgers which I am sure some of these attention seeking no marks are. It's feller by the way. Quote
bolty58 Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 5 hours ago, London Wanderer said: Which is why it's hilarious seeing football fans have a meltdown over a few swampy fuckers in the road. You know full well that it's more serious than this. If it were National Action, the EDL or the young Conservatives I would be equally in favour of knocking fuck out of them, dragging them away and charging them with obstruction of a public highway. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/66/part/IX/crossheading/obstruction-of-highways-and-streets/enacted?view=plain You can't let minorities run the place which is the way it is going these days with all of this woke dogshit. Fuck the minorities. Power to the majority. Quote
Spider Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 5 hours ago, bolty58 said: You know full well that it's more serious than this. If it were National Action, the EDL or the young Conservatives I would be equally in favour of knocking fuck out of them, dragging them away and charging them with obstruction of a public highway. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/66/part/IX/crossheading/obstruction-of-highways-and-streets/enacted?view=plain You can't let minorities run the place which is the way it is going these days with all of this woke dogshit. Fuck the minorities. Power to the majority. Power to the majority. Unless it’s America. Quote
mickbrown Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 5 hours ago, bolty58 said: Not particularly. Just despise cunts who think it's legitimate to disrupt the normal everyday life of people going about their normal everyday business - often working and paying taxes which provide benefits to lazy, workshy bludgers which I am sure some of these attention seeking no marks are. It's feller by the way. Not unless you are a lumberjack Quote
London Wanderer Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 6 hours ago, bolty58 said: You know full well that it's more serious than this. If it were National Action, the EDL or the young Conservatives I would be equally in favour of knocking fuck out of them, dragging them away and charging them with obstruction of a public highway. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/66/part/IX/crossheading/obstruction-of-highways-and-streets/enacted?view=plain You can't let minorities run the place which is the way it is going these days with all of this woke dogshit. Fuck the minorities. Power to the majority. I don't think it is that serious... I'm yet to actually be disrupted by these people. Have you feller? Has anyone else on here? I'd be surprised if many have. They're not running the place. The Tories are, and they're doing a woeful job of protecting us from and preparing us for the worsening climate crisis. Sitting in the road won't solve this, even if it does get people talking. And I don't deny it's annoying, but I still wouldn't want to see our police kicking the fuck out of them. I find it weird that you and Royal get off on seeing that, each to their own eh. Quote
London Wanderer Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 11 hours ago, jeep said: Isn't football policing usually Overtime for them? The few coppers I know used to say it was. Therefore, they should be catching the nonces & burglars in their normal working hours.... Even if it is overtime, I'm sure that this time could be better used if some are still looking to work extra hours. There will be plenty planning & money (it's not 100% funded by clubs) wasted on football. As Royal agreed, more than would be needed for policing protest. The organisers won't be working overtime either. I agree with @royal whitethat it looks like overkill. But the reality is they need the numbers there to cover themselves when things kick off. We've seen that with fans on the pitch constantly at the end of last season. Most of the time it's trouble free but because fans can't be trusted then they need the numbers. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 3 hours ago, London Wanderer said: I don't think it is that serious... I'm yet to actually be disrupted by these people. Have you feller? Has anyone else on here? I'd be surprised if many have. They're not running the place. The Tories are, and they're doing a woeful job of protecting us from and preparing us for the worsening climate crisis. Sitting in the road won't solve this, even if it does get people talking. And I don't deny it's annoying, but I still wouldn't want to see our police kicking the fuck out of them. I find it weird that you and Royal get off on seeing that, each to their own eh. Well that's bollocks for a start. You ought to know better- the very push for renewables and banning of ice cars has caused a lot of pushback from the dinosaurs, which was inevitable, but generally folk pay lipservice to it- happy to go along, but don't want to pay for the investment into it all. Always going to be hard to take the population along with such policies, but to suggest efforts are woeful shows ignorance of economic/political realities. Ideology won't satisfy the ludites. Now that Truss has arrived then the environment may become less of an importance, but that's the risk folk take when ousting a pro environment pm. I'm firmly against fracking for example, but can understand the arguments for it. At the moment there is a huge shout out for it and Sir Kier will have his work cut out to convince the electorate that not doing it is the way to go. Quote
Casino Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 27 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I'm firmly against fracking for example, but can understand the arguments for it. fracking...isnt the truth that theres actually the best part of fuck all in the ground? Quote
London Wanderer Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Well that's bollocks for a start. You ought to know better- the very push for renewables and banning of ice cars has caused a lot of pushback from the dinosaurs, which was inevitable, but generally folk pay lipservice to it- happy to go along, but don't want to pay for the investment into it all. Always going to be hard to take the population along with such policies, but to suggest efforts are woeful shows ignorance of economic/political realities. Ideology won't satisfy the ludites. Now that Truss has arrived then the environment may become less of an importance, but that's the risk folk take when ousting a pro environment pm. I'm firmly against fracking for example, but can understand the arguments for it. At the moment there is a huge shout out for it and Sir Kier will have his work cut out to convince the electorate that not doing it is the way to go. Their environmental policies since Truss has come into power are an absolute disgrace. They're actively dismantling everything the Conservatives have brought in recently. In my post I was speaking about the current Tory party - the ones in government now. It's woeful mate - can't think of another word for it. - Today they've announced a planned ban on solar farms on farmland. - The subsidies scheme for farmers to improve the biodiversity on their land is now under threat. - Fracking is back. - Huge numbers of new oil licences handed out to big business. - continued resistance to on shore windfarms within the party. - continued calls from government climate advisors to insulate homes before the winter. - Even the COP27 committee have criticised the UK for going backwards since the last COP. I could go on..... and on..... It's beyond belief that any democratic government, in today's current crisis, even has the legal power to do what they're doing. The crisis in Ukraine is being manipulated to make the argument for fracking and new drilling for oil and gas. The answer is renewables - it's what every climate expert advising the government has been calling for. Truss has been ignoring them. We wouldn't be in the mess we are in now if we had listened 20 years ago and invested then. But there's some hippies in the road so let's all panic about that instead and spend tax-payers money on water-canons rather than wind turbines. Edited October 10, 2022 by London Wanderer Quote
Casino Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 somebody educate me, i never did have much interest in science and techy stuff wind power is clearly a big part of our strategy but not wortha toss if the wind doesnt blow? Quote
Casino Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 and how TM, as probably the 'greenest' person on here makes excuses for truss is laughable hes one of elizabeths enemies Quote
Traf Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Casino said: and how TM, as probably the 'greenest' person on here makes excuses for truss is laughable hes one of elizabeths enemies Is he in the Anti-Growth Coalition? Quote
London Wanderer Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Casino said: fracking...isnt the truth that theres actually the best part of fuck all in the ground? 21+ Compelling Reasons To Ban Fracking That Will Blow Your Mind - Conserve Energy Future (conserve-energy-future.com) Wreaks havoc with our water systems and uses a huge amount of chemicals. But there's lots of money in it for the businesses than can get it up and running. It has caused absolute carnage to local communities across America. Wonderful idea considering we have just one of our worst droughts of the centuries and are still drastically short in some areas. Tory logic at its finest. Quote
London Wanderer Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Casino said: somebody educate me, i never did have much interest in science and techy stuff wind power is clearly a big part of our strategy but not wortha toss if the wind doesnt blow? How do Wind Turbines Work Without Wind (energywarden.com) Can be very reliable when used in tandem with other renewables. It also doesn't take much to make one move. There's still a huge amount of lobbying happening against the effectiveness of renewables - but they can be equally as reliable and effective. Problem is, once up and running, they don't make you as much money as a new off-shore oil site would - which is why certain companies are still trying to discredit them. p.s - I'll stop now - nobody likes a double quoter Edited October 10, 2022 by London Wanderer Quote
DirtySanchez Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 21 minutes ago, Casino said: somebody educate me, i never did have much interest in science and techy stuff wind power is clearly a big part of our strategy but not wortha toss if the wind doesnt blow? You'd think as an island we could harness tidal power Read somewhere that the Humber has the largest difference between high and low tide except for the Amazon Maybe there aren't enough donors interested in tidal power. Or that someone in Hull would probably nick the equipment and sell it as scrap Quote
DirtySanchez Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 45 minutes ago, Casino said: somebody educate me, i never did have much interest in science and techy stuff wind power is clearly a big part of our strategy but not wortha toss if the wind doesnt blow? At ground level you may not feel that there's any wind, but higher up where the blades are you probably will Plus they can change which way the blades face depending on wind direction If you see a turbine not moving whilst it's windy, it's usually because where they store the electricity is full so they can't put in anymore Quote
Casino Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 59 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said: At ground level you may not feel that there's any wind, but higher up where the blades are you probably will Plus they can change which way the blades face depending on wind direction If you see a turbine not moving whilst it's windy, it's usually because where they store the electricity is full so they can't put in anymore I think thats probably my question answered but i didnt want to be the thicko at the back So, we can store the energy from wind but we have nowhere to put it? Quote
Casino Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 One other question im struggling with....the govt wont own the oil, gas, wind power whatever So am i right we would still need to buy on the open market? Quote
DirtySanchez Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, Casino said: I think thats probably my question answered but i didnt want to be the thicko at the back So, we can store the energy from wind but we have nowhere to put it? The turbines have a life span of about 25 years and need somewhere to store whatever they generate Even with the offshore ones it's a modest building on the nearest shoreline Bit odd that planning permissions for wind farms were dished out like confetti but then became nigh on impossible to get approval due to government changes in the rules Why might that be 🤔 Quote
London Wanderer Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 Leading the way forward 🌲 UK puts climate denier in charge of energy policy (climatechangenews.com) Quote
DirtySanchez Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Casino said: One other question im struggling with....the govt wont own the oil, gas, wind power whatever So am i right we would still need to buy on the open market? From what I recall the main providers of wind farms are Dong and Siemens. Neither of which are British so not sure how that pans out going forward Did go on a tour of a wind farm in East Yorkshire. The bloke controlling it all was sat in an office in Germany Edited October 10, 2022 by DirtySanchez Quote
Winchester White Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 We own fuck all of our own infrastructure anymore. I just hope we can invest properly in home grown companies to build profitable renewable energy with solutions to the gaps in supply and demand that they create. I am pretty sure I read that Orkney have too many turbines for the network capability and so we are wasting free electricity due to lack of infrastructure to use what is available. Quote
MickyD Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Winchester White said: We own fuck all of our own infrastructure anymore. I just hope we can invest properly in home grown companies to build profitable renewable energy with solutions to the gaps in supply and demand that they create. I am pretty sure I read that Orkney have too many turbines for the network capability and so we are wasting free electricity due to lack of infrastructure to use what is available. Maybe we ought to be working to increase storage so we aren’t generating more renewable energy than can currently be stored. Quote
Winchester White Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, MickyD said: Maybe we ought to be working to increase storage so we aren’t generating more renewable energy than can currently be stored. I agree entirely. We should also not have shut down our gas storage facilities until we were in a better position with our electricity generation mix. Quote
DirtySanchez Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, MickyD said: Maybe we ought to be working to increase storage so we aren’t generating more renewable energy than can currently be stored. If you go up the east coast you'll see loads of offshore wind turbines but they only have one place to put the electricity Wind turbines were all the rage then disappeared and fracking took over which then soon disappeared Its almost as though you need to chuck a bit of money at the government, they'll relax planning rules, then when you stop paying they move onto the next lot A cynic would say Quote
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