Farrelli Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, royal white said: Which would make you wonder why cheese found it hard to believe. He can speak for himself but I’m sure he isn’t surprised that the Tories have done a shocking job on law and order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Farrelli said: He can speak for himself but I’m sure he isn’t surprised that the Tories have done a shocking job on law and order. Like I said at first it depends which stats you want to believe. As @London Wanderer pointed out crime has been continually falling in most areas for decades Edited May 25, 2023 by royal white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, royal white said: Like I said at first it depends which stats you want to believe. As @London Wanderer pointed out crime has been continually falling in most areas for decades I’m more interested in the fact that our police have been under resourced, under trained and generally depleted the last 13 years and now solve minimal burglaries or thefts. The party of law and order🙈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, royal white said: Like I said at first it depends which stats you want to believe. As @London Wanderer pointed out crime has been continually falling in most areas for decades Overall since the 50s, in the long run. Not so much since austerity though. https://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2022/11/austerity-led-to-more-crime-study.page Yes there will always be not rights walking the streets and you can’t fix everything. But it’s virtually impossible to argue that we’ve not lost a lot of resources that were having an impact. It will be fun watching you try though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: Overall since the 50s, in the long run. Not so much since austerity though. https://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2022/11/austerity-led-to-more-crime-study.page Yes there will always be not rights walking the streets and you can’t fix everything. But it’s virtually impossible to argue that we’ve not lost a lot of resources that were having an impact. It will be fun watching you try though. Try what 😂 all I’ve pointed out is how people cherry pick stats to back their argument. You’re proving my point perfectly. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted May 25, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted May 25, 2023 32 minutes ago, royal white said: Like I said at first it depends which stats you want to believe. As @London Wanderer pointed out crime has been continually falling in most areas for decades I thought crime was out of control because of Albanian baddies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Spider said: I thought crime was out of control because of Albanian baddies? Obviously weren’t disciplined in British schools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Spider said: I thought crime was out of control because of Albanian baddies? It is or isn’t depending on who you want to blame on a certain day and which side of the bed you got out of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted May 25, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: It is or isn’t depending on who you want to blame on a certain day and which side of the bed you got out of. We got burgled in the late 80’s. I remember the police came round and dusted for fingerprints and spent a few hours over several visits at least trying to gather evidence. In the end, they arrested a lad who denied everything but eventually got done for several burglaries. 5 years ago, we got burgled. 2 coppers came round several hours after I rang them. They told me to just add lots of extra items on the insurance claim form and they’d sign it no problem. As for catching anyone, they just raised their eyebrows and said the chances were pretty much zero as there were no aggravated circumstances. Things are definitely different in 2023 Edited May 25, 2023 by Spider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Spider said: We got burgled in the late 80’s. I remember the police came round and dusted for fingerprints and spent a few hours over several visits at least trying to gather evidence. In the end, they arrested a lad who denied everything but eventually got done for several burglaries. 5 years ago, we got burgled. 2 coppers came round several hours after I rang them. They told me to just add lots of extra items on the insurance claim form and they’d sign it no problem. As for catching anyone, they just raised their eyebrows and said the chances were pretty much zero as there were no aggravated circumstances. Things are definitely different in 2023 My wife has worked for the police for over 40 years. You are entitled to have an opinion based on your two experiences. As others have said many times, it’s more complex than that. The police are now having to deal with things that didn’t exist or matter 30 years ago. You can’t compare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, Spider said: We got burgled in the late 80’s. I remember the police came round and dusted for fingerprints and spent a few hours over several visits at least trying to gather evidence. In the end, they arrested a lad who denied everything but eventually got done for several burglaries. 5 years ago, we got burgled. 2 coppers came round several hours after I rang them. They told me to just add lots of extra items on the insurance claim form and they’d sign it no problem. As for catching anyone, they just raised their eyebrows and said the chances were pretty much zero as there were no aggravated circumstances. Things are definitely different in 2023 In our last house, just two years ago, somebody broke into the garage and robbed some golf clubs, a Karcher and some tools. We called the police, they didn't even come round, they did give us a crime reference so that we could make a claim, but that was about as much interest as they took. Anyway, on the plus side, I got some expensive new clubs and some rather splendid new tools 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted May 25, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted May 25, 2023 1 minute ago, BobyBrno said: My wife has worked for the police for over 40 years. You are entitled to have an opinion based on your two experiences. As others have said many times, it’s more complex than that. The police are now having to deal with things that didn’t exist or matter 30 years ago. You can’t compare. What has changed that makes burglary something to simply brush off like dust on your shoulder? I can tell you that it mattered to me. And that had I caught them and wrapped a cricket bat round their heads that I’d be the one having my fingerprints taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, Spider said: What has changed that makes burglary something to simply brush off like dust on your shoulder? I can tell you that it mattered to me. And that had I caught them and wrapped a cricket bat round their heads that I’d be the one having my fingerprints taken. I think you’ve missed my point. If crime comes down it’s because people aren’t reporting it. If crime goes up it’s because we have less police. This started because of a comment about lack of respect for authority and it’s gone round in contradictory circles. Forget the complexities. It’s the governments fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted May 25, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted May 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: I think you’ve missed my point. If crime comes down it’s because people aren’t reporting it. If crime goes up it’s because we have less police. This started because of a comment about lack of respect for authority and it’s gone round in contradictory circles. Forget the complexities. It’s the governments fault. Probably correct. They’re shit at pretty much everything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: I think you’ve missed my point. If crime comes down it’s because people aren’t reporting it. If crime goes up it’s because we have less police. This started because of a comment about lack of respect for authority and it’s gone round in contradictory circles. Forget the complexities. It’s the governments fault. The police used to convict people for theft and burglaries. Home Office stats for 2021/22 show they only brought someone to justice in 6% total burglaries or 4% total thefts. We can argue about the reasons but that is appalling in anyone’s reckoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Farrelli said: The police used to convict people for theft and burglaries. Home Office stats for 2021/22 show they only brought someone to justice in 6% total burglaries or 4% total thefts. We can argue about the reasons but that is appalling in anyone’s reckoning. You know the rules. Link please. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 5 hours ago, Farrelli said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62491194.amp last year the home office did a report. Shocking how poor the police are in solving crimes. A lack of resources, training and general malaise. Only 6.3% robberies and only 4% thefts result in a conviction. The party of law and order🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, royal white said: Try what 😂 all I’ve pointed out is how people cherry pick stats to back their argument. You’re proving my point perfectly. 👍 Haha it’s really not rocket science. Overall crime has gone down since the 50s. Which brings into question whether disciplining kids in school really worked. Since widespread austerity was introduced, crime has increased. Hardly cherry picking , just pointing out the facts. is there anything in there you disagree with? Edited May 25, 2023 by London Wanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted May 25, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted May 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: Haha it’s really not rocket science. Overall crime has gone down since the 50s. Which brings into question whether disciplining kids in school really worked. Since widespread austerity was introduced, crime has increased. Hardly cherry picking , just pointing out the facts. is there anything in there you disagree with? Wasting your time asking him a question. You'll just get another one in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainmed Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) Police spend a lot of time these days dealing with mental health issues. Well they do according to those TV shows anyway. Edited May 25, 2023 by captainmed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, Cheese said: Wasting your time asking him a question. You'll just get another one in return. got my dad a book years ago. Robin Cooper Timewaster letters. He’d write letters to and email companies with all sorts of shite and aim to waste as much time as possible. It was hilarious. RW is our very own Robin Cooper, just with a shitter sense of humour and an irrational hatred of Albanians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, captainmed said: Police spend a lot of time these days dealing with mental health issues. Well they do according to those TV shows anyway. Far too much time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 37 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: Haha it’s really not rocket science. Overall crime has gone down since the 50s. Which brings into question whether disciplining kids in school really worked. Since widespread austerity was introduced, crime has increased. Hardly cherry picking , just pointing out the facts. is there anything in there you disagree with? You only brought austerity into the topic later on you cheeky little bleeder so yes cherry picking. And like I’ve been saying it depends on what stats you use to suit. I mean these stats are from pretty much the same time as your article. https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/24/crime-rate-england-wales-falls-lowest-level-33-years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 44 minutes ago, Cheese said: Wasting your time asking him a question. You'll just get another one in return. Still waiting for you to answer last nights mongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 2 hours ago, royal white said: You only brought austerity into the topic later on you cheeky little bleeder so yes cherry picking. And like I’ve been saying it depends on what stats you use to suit. I mean these stats are from pretty much the same time as your article. https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/24/crime-rate-england-wales-falls-lowest-level-33-years You’re getting a wee bit confused between long term trends and short term trends. Long term (many decades) - crime down. Short term (the period of austerity) - crime up or trends impacted. Do you disagree with that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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