Birmingham City (A)

[barrycowdrill]

5 defenders and 4 midfielders on the pitch for the majority btw last night. It’s ok doing that if you’re going to get about them, put pressure on and make life as difficult as possible. We did non of that. 
 

his whole philosophy and principles got chucked out of the window. Far too much respect given and the actions of a desperate man who doesn’t have any idea on how to change the tide. 

[deeane Koontz]

Meh didn't expect us to get owt.

Most depressing thing was the reminder of the monumental fuck up of not getting out the league last season was. 

We are not getting out of this league with Evatt. 

[mickbrown]

We played like it was an FA cup tie against a prem side and we’re hoping to get them back to Bolton for a cash spinning replay 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

11 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

We played like it was an FA cup tie against a prem side and we’re hoping to get them back to Bolton for a cash spinning replay 

We played that well? 🤣

[Dimron]

I’ve been staying away from matches but I’ve been working at St Andrews so had a freebie, just emerged, not read much on here yet...

Their keeper didn’t use his hands in the first half.

Overall we were "adequate", that's it... no villains to point the finger at although Forrester was rusty.

Mid table third division side got beaten away by the top of table side, they swaggered the way through the game but if they were really any good they should have scored more goals.

That little lad who got the opener should have been clattered out of play, instead he was in lots of space to take his shot... missing Toal?

 

 

 

[Greg_BWFC]

38 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said:

Meh didn't expect us to get owt.

Most depressing thing was the reminder of the monumental fuck up of not getting out the league last season was. 

We are not getting out of this league with Evatt. 

Said at the time it set us back a few years.

Hard to get promoted, get a chance and you have to take it.

Oh, and there is more than out of this league 😟

[Traf]

1 hour ago, barrycowdrill said:

5 defenders and 4 midfielders on the pitch for the majority btw last night. It’s ok doing that if you’re going to get about them, put pressure on and make life as difficult as possible. We did non of that. 
 

his whole philosophy and principles got chucked out of the window. Far too much respect given and the actions of a desperate man who doesn’t have any idea on how to change the tide. 

Siting back with ten men behind the ball is fine if you can defend.

We sit 14th in the league with the worst goal difference in the top 14 and with only 12th placed Peterborough having conceded more.

We can't defend.

[barrycowdrill]

2 minutes ago, Traf said:

Siting back with ten men behind the ball is fine if you can defend.

We sit 14th in the league with the worst goal difference in the top 14 and with only 12th placed Peterborough having conceded more.

We can't defend.

I said this elsewhere previously. We’re not solid or compact or disciplined enough to contain and try and pinch something on the break. It looked poor and disorganised as it was something the players got asked to do which is so far away from what he’s instilled in them for the past few years. We showed more intent at Arsenal ffs 

desperate. But the tactics, the aimless hoof balls, the team not putting any pressure on the ball weren’t the issue. It was our keeper being out… 

[woolli]

14 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said:

I said this elsewhere previously. We’re not solid or compact or disciplined enough to contain and try and pinch something on the break. It looked poor and disorganised as it was something the players got asked to do which is so far away from what he’s instilled in them for the past few years. We showed more intent at Arsenal ffs 

desperate. But the tactics, the aimless hoof balls, the team not putting any pressure on the ball weren’t the issue. It was our keeper being out… 

Not sure what as happened, as, two seasons ago, we were keeping clean sheets for fun, with virtually the same defence?

[Mantra]

The word “stale” seems to be cropping up a lot, as well as “predictable”.

The whole club feels like it needs a kick up the arse. Not sure Evatt can deliver that. We seem to lose the same type of games in the same fashion. The buzz and excitement we have had over the last few years seems to be ebbing away.

Watched the first half last night and didn’t bother with the second as it felt all too familiar. 

The board’s patience/support of the manager so far has been tremendous and mostly the right call but we are quickly getting to the stage where fresh ideas are needed.

Whether they are patient enough to wait until the end of the season or whether they feel a change is needed more quickly I guess will depend on how close we stay to the playoffs/auto spots.

[Dimron]

1 hour ago, deeane Koontz said:

Meh didn't expect us to get owt.

Most depressing thing was the reminder of the monumental fuck up of not getting out the league last season was. 

We are not getting out of this league with Evatt. 

As a few of us feared history repeating itself... to my eyes it was like the season after Phil Neal missed out, players were competent but no passion showing, some frustration but no sparkle.

I had remind myself who was up front in the first half, Charles was a forgotten man.

I said to my mate last night "we need a talisman", I now remember saying something similar trudging out of Burnden and a few weeks later we signed Andy Walker but even that was not enough to save Phil Neal's skin.

[Eddie]

13 hours ago, Arrested development said:

Everyone needs to stop panicking. Some of the teams in the playoffs won't be there at the end of the season. Plenty of time left to get to the playoffs. 

We’ve managed that in the last 2 seasons… and we’re still here.

‘Achieving’ reaching the play offs means nothing unless you are then better than the 3 other teams that have also managed it.

Appreciate you’ll be well aware of that. I just find it strange that people use the fact that we’ll be good enough to get into the play offs as some kind of link to promotion - as the last couple of years have proved, it doesn’t mean anything unless you can win big games (and we can’t).

[Guest Shipston Blue]

Birmingham fan in peace here. Reading your fans' comments on here, the doom and gloom reminds me of our fans' forums until this season. A defeat or poor performance does that, a win can change the mood very quickly. We all live and breathe our respective teams and emotions always run high after a game.

I think it would be fair to say that we should have been out of sight by half-time, but a combination of us overplaying and poor finishing left you within reach of us. I felt that when you went more direct you had more success, when you tried to pass out from the back, you conceded possession within a few passes. Nonetheless, in my opinion, you weren't as bad as some other Blues fans have said. If you'd taken one of those gilt- edged chances, you might have been walking away with an unlikely point.

You've some decent players and former bluenose Josh Dacres-Cogley is one of them. I actually thought your keeper did well, his save from Ethan Laird's header was excellent, as well as stop when Alfie May was clean through. 

The division is much of a muchness and there's no reason to suggest that you can't be in the play-off shake up. We all have different opinions, but the best two sides I've seen this season were Reading and Peterborough. Charlton beat us, but that was as much down to us being shite, as it was them being good and 'working us out'.

For a televised midweek game, I thought your support was excellent. Vocal and good numbers too. No club has a divine right, but a club the size of Wanderers should be at a higher level than division 1. 

I know that we're now known as a 'moneybags club' but that doesn't sit well with the majority of us. We've been accustomed to being shite, no money to spend and points deductions. Maybe if we'd not spent big on Stansfield, there would be less animosity in our direction. We sold players for decent money too and got massive earners of the books. We seem to have an excellent forward thinking coach in Chris Davis, I did wonder if someone like him would be able to turn your club around? 

Anyway, all the best for the coming season. 

 

PS. When people ask me who was the dirtiest player I've ever seen, I have to say that it was the Bolton legend, Big Sam at Burnden Park 🤣

 

 

[Eddie]

Most of it’s been said but:

- Birmingham are clearly a good team that have spent a lot of money, but we have also spent a fair bit and started the season 2nd favourites for the league. You’d think we were battling relegation the way we set up, we’d lost the game before we started.

- On that theme, if you looked at our team vs. there’s yesterday, we looked like an U15 team playing men. It’s back to Santos and the 10 dwarfs. Appreciate there are some injuries but they absolutely dominated us from a physicality perspective and we just looked frail from the off. We’ve all known that our problem is the softness of this team, and that for me is the no.1 reason why we are so shit in away games at the better teams, but yet again we’re going into a season turning up at these places looking like scared little boys.

- Tactics were awful. Doesn’t need to be said again but Charles up top on his own, box midfield which they just played around and ended up 2 on 1 against our wing backs. If that’s his tactical answer on how to get through these games then it just shows how tactically poor he is.

- Our fitness and intensity that he prided himself on from the off has gone. We’re second to everything, we’re slower, we’re leggier and add it to the lack of physicality we simply can’t compete. This isn’t to do with spending £12m on a striker, it’s basics and actually for me is more reflective of the genuine desire and commitment to give everything - if he can’t get that from them then it tells you something.

- It was all too predictable. I pointed out his record in the big games of each of his seasons and there’s no reason to believe it will change. This just further proved it. Not specifically the result, but everything else around it, we will not go up this season because there are far too many of these big games and he has no idea of how to win them.

- Our crowd has some complete balloons. I was on the right, near the away end, and some of the shit that our delinquents were coming up with (1-0 to the Villa boys etc., being far from their worst) is possibly worse than the shit on the pitch. Watching sober is becoming a real chore.

[ianofcleveleys]

1 hour ago, Traf said:

Siting back with ten men behind the ball is fine if you can defend.

We sit 14th in the league with the worst goal difference in the top 14 and with only 12th placed Peterborough having conceded more.

We can't defend.

My thoughts too, bit tricky setting up to be defensive with so many non-defenders. 

[Arrested development]

1 hour ago, Eddie said:

We’ve managed that in the last 2 seasons… and we’re still here.

‘Achieving’ reaching the play offs means nothing unless you are then better than the 3 other teams that have also managed it.

Appreciate you’ll be well aware of that. I just find it strange that people use the fact that we’ll be good enough to get into the play offs as some kind of link to promotion - as the last couple of years have proved, it doesn’t mean anything unless you can win big games (and we can’t).

Still time to get the autos. But I think the consensus is it was always going to be more difficult this year than last year. Point is people are saying we are a mid table team. We aren't. There's only been 10 games, the table isn't a true reflection yet IMO. Not having Exeter and Mansfield will be in playoffs come new year etc 

[Eddie]

16 minutes ago, Arrested development said:

Still time to get the autos. But I think the consensus is it was always going to be more difficult this year than last year. Point is people are saying we are a mid table team. We aren't. There's only been 10 games, the table isn't a true reflection yet IMO. Not having Exeter and Mansfield will be in playoffs come new year etc 

All fair points, and I agree we’re probably not going to end up mid table.

I was just using your post as a general reason to pick up the point though that this narrative that seems to suggest “it’s fine, we’ll hit the play offs” only then works if we go up through them, and that is far from guaranteed.

[Mounts Kipper]

4 hours ago, Guest Shipston Blue said:

Birmingham fan in peace here. Reading your fans' comments on here, the doom and gloom reminds me of our fans' forums until this season. A defeat or poor performance does that, a win can change the mood very quickly. We all live and breathe our respective teams and emotions always run high after a game.

I think it would be fair to say that we should have been out of sight by half-time, but a combination of us overplaying and poor finishing left you within reach of us. I felt that when you went more direct you had more success, when you tried to pass out from the back, you conceded possession within a few passes. Nonetheless, in my opinion, you weren't as bad as some other Blues fans have said. If you'd taken one of those gilt- edged chances, you might have been walking away with an unlikely point.

You've some decent players and former bluenose Josh Dacres-Cogley is one of them. I actually thought your keeper did well, his save from Ethan Laird's header was excellent, as well as stop when Alfie May was clean through. 

The division is much of a muchness and there's no reason to suggest that you can't be in the play-off shake up. We all have different opinions, but the best two sides I've seen this season were Reading and Peterborough. Charlton beat us, but that was as much down to us being shite, as it was them being good and 'working us out'.

For a televised midweek game, I thought your support was excellent. Vocal and good numbers too. No club has a divine right, but a club the size of Wanderers should be at a higher level than division 1. 

I know that we're now known as a 'moneybags club' but that doesn't sit well with the majority of us. We've been accustomed to being shite, no money to spend and points deductions. Maybe if we'd not spent big on Stansfield, there would be less animosity in our direction. We sold players for decent money too and got massive earners of the books. We seem to have an excellent forward thinking coach in Chris Davis, I did wonder if someone like him would be able to turn your club around? 

Anyway, all the best for the coming season. 

 

PS. When people ask me who was the dirtiest player I've ever seen, I have to say that it was the Bolton legend, Big Sam at Burnden Park 🤣

 

 

Top post.

[mickbrown]

The more I think about it the more I'm pissed off.

We shouldn't be going anywhere hoping to nick a point in the third fucking division. Fuck that.

 

[Dimron]

34 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

The more I think about it the more I'm pissed off.

We shouldn't be going anywhere hoping to nick a point in the third fucking division. Fuck that.

 

Sorry mate but we're an average third division side with a low league manager

[Traf]

5 hours ago, Guest Shipston Blue said:

Birmingham fan in peace here. Reading your fans' comments on here, the doom and gloom reminds me of our fans' forums until this season. A defeat or poor performance does that, a win can change the mood very quickly. We all live and breathe our respective teams and emotions always run high after a game.

I think it would be fair to say that we should have been out of sight by half-time, but a combination of us overplaying and poor finishing left you within reach of us. I felt that when you went more direct you had more success, when you tried to pass out from the back, you conceded possession within a few passes. Nonetheless, in my opinion, you weren't as bad as some other Blues fans have said. If you'd taken one of those gilt- edged chances, you might have been walking away with an unlikely point.

You've some decent players and former bluenose Josh Dacres-Cogley is one of them. I actually thought your keeper did well, his save from Ethan Laird's header was excellent, as well as stop when Alfie May was clean through. 

The division is much of a muchness and there's no reason to suggest that you can't be in the play-off shake up. We all have different opinions, but the best two sides I've seen this season were Reading and Peterborough. Charlton beat us, but that was as much down to us being shite, as it was them being good and 'working us out'.

For a televised midweek game, I thought your support was excellent. Vocal and good numbers too. No club has a divine right, but a club the size of Wanderers should be at a higher level than division 1. 

I know that we're now known as a 'moneybags club' but that doesn't sit well with the majority of us. We've been accustomed to being shite, no money to spend and points deductions. Maybe if we'd not spent big on Stansfield, there would be less animosity in our direction. We sold players for decent money too and got massive earners of the books. We seem to have an excellent forward thinking coach in Chris Davis, I did wonder if someone like him would be able to turn your club around? 

Anyway, all the best for the coming season. 

 

PS. When people ask me who was the dirtiest player I've ever seen, I have to say that it was the Bolton legend, Big Sam at Burnden Park 🤣

 

 

Always good to hear a balanced perspective from somebody with no vested interest in how we do.

No animosity from me about you spending money. A club the size of Birmingham needs to be in the Championship or higher and if you've access to the money needed to achieve the aim, then spend it.

PS Tom Brady is a wanker 😉

[Underpants]

For the first time in ages this felt more than just a defeat. Exeter, Huddersfield, Charlton, Shrewsbury and now Birmingham. Far too many poor displays this season for any team with hopes of automatic promotion. The playoffs look a long way off at the moment.

[Guest Shipston Blue]

1 hour ago, Traf said:

Always good to hear a balanced perspective from somebody with no vested interest in how we do.

No animosity from me about you spending money. A club the size of Birmingham needs to be in the Championship or higher and if you've access to the money needed to achieve the aim, then spend it.

PS Tom Brady is a wanker 😉

It would be nice to achieve the so-called 'promised land' and then get to the Premier League, but it would mean us paying through the nose for tickets and then getting beaten every other week!

Tom Brady may well be a wanker, it irritates a lot of us being called Tom Brady's Birmingham City, he has only got a tiny share in the club! 

[Traf]

27 minutes ago, Guest Shipston Blue said:

Tom Brady may well be a wanker, it irritates a lot of us being called Tom Brady's Birmingham City, he has only got a tiny share in the club! 

I can imagine.

it's nothing to do with his tiny penis stake, I dislike him from NFL days.