tickets on sale for this, so will presume it's going ahead, will wait till day or day itself before till I get tickets though, just in case

but looking forward to it as we should be able to smash them

be interesting to see how many they bring, wouldn't surprise me if they filled the south stand given the chance, though they've initally been given 3,700 at £10/£5 a pop

32 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Most comments I heard coming away was that it was enjoyable, entertaining and a proper cup tie!  (and that the keeper was crap).

£10 for that (and no queues getting away!) compared to about £30 v Exeter (0-2) and Huddersfield (0-4) a year ago, don't feel sorry for anyone that went last night.

I sometimes think folk forget what a really poor game/performance looks like, I've been to maybe a couple of hundred of those in the last 40 odd years and that didn't come close.

Agreed, it was a cheap & enjoyable evening out & i'm not sulking about the result like I do after league defeats,

also agree that although i've pretty much given up on him, there were some there last night who tediously just wanted to criticise McAtee whatever he did......he wasn't all bad .

but i'd disagree about Morley who for me has dropped behind Simons, Sheehan & Erhahon in the pecking order & wouldn't know where to start with the view that McAtee played better than Bursow !!  

52 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

Bi Polar Ways strikes again I see. After Saturday we were the best team out there now everyone is shit and needs binning off.

In short term hindsight you can say SS should've played X player instead. First round of the milk cup will always see massive changes. Going down to 10 with your first 11 is tough enough 

Disagree. I think a lot of comments are addressing issues there. Players doing nothing in the league and then nothing against kids highlights they are not going to help us win promotion. 
 

 

6 hours ago, Cheese said:

 

I'm glad it wasn't just me that thought we had some decent attacking moments, I thought I'd dreamt it.

Negativity on here is unbelievable, you'd think we were bottom of the league in November not just lost on pens with 10 men.

5 hours ago, desperado said:

I’ll respectfully challenge you on 2 of those.

Most controversial Tutu. I’m in a rare minority of thinking he’s got qualities that would make (are making) a good FB, glimpses seen on Saturday. Also more fact than opinion, SS said after the game it was always the plan to play Tutu and Conway for 45mins each.

Just my opinion but I didn’t think Morley was poor yesterday and the penalty was a very good save.

The rest is hard to disagree with on what we saw last night. I do think there’s better to come from most of them. 

 

We watched the same game then.  Worse penalties than Morley's ended up in the back of the net, but let's criticise him for missing while praising another player for stepping up and taking a worse one.

If we get a pen at Barnsley and Morley's on the pitch (unlikely) I'd want him taking it.

27 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

We watched the same game then.  Worse penalties than Morley's ended up in the back of the net, but let's criticise him for missing while praising another player for stepping up and taking a worse one.

 

has somebody had a go at him for missing a penalty?

dear god

4 hours ago, thebells said:

Wycombe were given a price to buy him (overpriced!), and may well wish they had paid it now.

IE was hanging on to his job and wanted Morley back to save his skin!

Everyone lost in that scenario. 

Yes, agreed.  And @Whitesince63 you often mention the Morley going back to Wycombe scenario, but its like SS going back to  sign Alex Murphy or some other loanee that IE brought in - it very rarely happens if ever.  Managers sign players that they've scouted themselves to fit the system they want, for all we know Wycombe have half a dozen midfielders now, there's no more chance of Morley going there than to any other team in L1.

17 minutes ago, Casino said:

has somebody had a go at him for missing a penalty?

dear god

7 hours ago, only1swanny said:

Morley - Poor last night, not certain what's going on but we've had his form dip before.. and that penalty FFS.. 

I pulled Swanny up on it earlier.

All opinions. I’m with @Johnnyrotten on this one. I thought Morley was ok yesterday, considering the circumstances. 

It was a good save off Morley's pen rather than a bad pen. Keeper was good, sharp, guessed right and kept it out. 

Our keeper, meanwhile, could have been beaten with a Panenka on nearly all of them, such was his rushed, telegraphed movement 

4 hours ago, medwaywhite said:

Good post I’ve got the feeling theirs a lot with that attitude of just plodding along not enough players with the want to win attitude 

I've yet to hear anyone say that after a win!  Taking Collins as an example, if he scored and we won he's a goalscorer and difference maker, if he doesn't do much and loses challenges and we lose he doesn't have the right attitude. 

I've seen Mo Salah, Kane and Haaland have games like that.  I didn't see anyone plodding along last night, I saw some that weren't on their game defensively (mainly), as rightly pointed out by many.  That tackle that Forino is rightly getting criticised for would have been praised as showing the right no nonsense/will to win attitude if it had been in a 1-0 win v Blackpool.

3 hours ago, 1969 said:

Sorry but what game were you watching as it can't be the same one as me.Mcatee was worse than crap, better than Burstow , not in a month of Sundays and Mcatee and trying in the same sentence proves your wrong 😀

I don't need to list what he did well, but I can think of at least half a dozen.  

I want better and we will have better than McAtee, but your comments only confirm that what he does well or not well is only ever put in the "worse than crap" category, the days of him getting a fair hearing are long gone.

Burstow wasn't awful, and I'm fully behind him being one of our main CFs because he can head a ball and hold it up, but on the night I'm not sure what he did that was an improvement other than not being McAtee?

1 hour ago, mickbrown said:

Trying too hard? That I’d love to see.
 

We had a season of him barely breaking a sweat.  Waddling around in circle, avoiding headers and tackles. 
 

He’s a wrong un and we need to offload asap. 

He's the worst header of a ball I can recall.  He's one of the worst tacklers.  Constantly gave fouls away in our half last season when trying to "help" the defence.  He's not one of our better signings (but IE made worse).

So considering he can't head a ball, doesn't break sweat, waddles around and missed a couple of absolute sitters, 11 league goals all from open play isn't a bad return, just think if he decided to try. 

1 minute ago, Johnnyrotten said:

So considering he can't head a ball, doesn't break sweat, waddles around and missed a couple of absolute sitters, 11 league goals all from open play isn't a bad return, just think if he decided to try. 

Think it’s to late for that don’t forget by is own admission he was out of shape last season and has trimmed down now but why was he out of shape ?
he wasn’t injured last season and people forget evatt said there were players tossing it off last season in training. 
ability wise  him and Victor are pants and we totally got shafted with the fee not the players fault though

They need to be moved on and replaced with better if we’re looking at going up hopefully both will be out in Jan window 

2 hours ago, bolton va va said:

Agreed, it was a cheap & enjoyable evening out & i'm not sulking about the result like I do after league defeats,

also agree that although i've pretty much given up on him, there were some there last night who tediously just wanted to criticise McAtee whatever he did......he wasn't all bad .

but i'd disagree about Morley who for me has dropped behind Simons, Sheehan & Erhahon in the pecking order & wouldn't know where to start with the view that McAtee played better than Bursow !!  

Don't get me wrong Morley is going to be behind Simons and Erhahon without a doubt, they haven't been signed as cover.  Sheehan and Morley interchangeable for me depending on form etc, but yes I can see Morley 4th choice.  Just as CMG and McAtee are never going to start league games.  I was just commenting on the game last night and giving a bit of credit where its due, if its due, unlike many who can't see beyond someone's name. 

I didn't think Burstow did much and looked a bit off the pace but genuinely I may have missed what he did, I was sat nearer South Stand and it was easier to assess attacking performances in the 1st half, when the ball's near NSL not as easy. 

1 hour ago, Casino said:

has somebody had a go at him for missing a penalty?

dear god

Along the lines of "and that penalty FFS" as if he did a Mo Salah and blasted it into the crowd

23 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

He's the worst header of a ball I can recall.  He's one of the worst tacklers.  Constantly gave fouls away in our half last season when trying to "help" the defence.  He's not one of our better signings (but IE made worse).

So considering he can't head a ball, doesn't break sweat, waddles around and missed a couple of absolute sitters, 11 league goals all from open play isn't a bad return, just think if he decided to try. 

Therein lies the problem.

It shouldn't be a decision. It's a non negotiable.

He's a wrong un. Get shut

 

5 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Therein lies the problem.

It shouldn't be a decision. It's a non negotiable.

He's a wrong un. Get shut

 

I was being sarcastic.  

Mick loves McAtee really 🤣

40 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

He's the worst header of a ball I can recall.  He's one of the worst tacklers.  Constantly gave fouls away in our half last season when trying to "help" the defence.  He's not one of our better signings (but IE made worse).

So considering he can't head a ball, doesn't break sweat, waddles around and missed a couple of absolute sitters, 11 league goals all from open play isn't a bad return, just think if he decided to try. 

I think the frustration with McAtee is that he is technically decent (some of the goals he scored last season were great), but he's just not effective at all - I mean you've summed up a lot of his faults above, and it's frustrating as he could/should be better.

It's not like we're watching some cart horse that has no hope of improving.

And then there's effort, he does a lot of running but that's the easy bit, he needs to show some desire to win headers and win tackles and 50/50s, not just half heartedly trip someone up.

What was strange about Mcatee last night was when he needed to change direction , he kind of turned in a broad semi circle and was not immediate. Could have been studs but I’ve only seen it before in very wet conditions and Sunday league football. I noticed it that much it amused me. 
 

I don’t know if it’s been mentioned previously but when Gomes did his little back heel to create the chance for Erhahnon it was a stonewall penalty. He was completely taken out.

4 hours ago, Casino said:

has somebody had a go at him for missing a penalty?

dear god

Weird isn't it.

I thought it was a very good save .

5 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Most comments I heard coming away was that it was enjoyable, entertaining and a proper cup tie!  (and that the keeper was crap).

£10 for that (and no queues getting away!) compared to about £30 v Exeter (0-2) and Huddersfield (0-4) a year ago, don't feel sorry for anyone that went last night.

I sometimes think folk forget what a really poor game/performance looks like, I've been to maybe a couple of hundred of those in the last 40 odd years and that didn't come close.

Pretty much my thoughts, decent night in all. Went on my tod, expected nothing, sat next to this sound woman from the States (small handful) who was over with her kid for some tournament. Enjoyed a passing chat about ice hockey and the rough bits of New Jersey while watching a pretty bonkers game of football. She apologised wholeheartedly for the performance of her countryman in goal 🙃

Beats watching us get pumped by some lower table dross while our defenders roll the ball to each other hands on hips, as we've endured so often recently. Great tenner spent, and hopefully SS has learned plenty about his squad for the games that matter.

6 hours ago, Stig said:

I think the frustration with McAtee is that he is technically decent (some of the goals he scored last season were great), but he's just not effective at all - I mean you've summed up a lot of his faults above, and it's frustrating as he could/should be better.

It's not like we're watching some cart horse that has no hope of improving.

And then there's effort, he does a lot of running but that's the easy bit, he needs to show some desire to win headers and win tackles and 50/50s, not just half heartedly trip someone up.

McAtee's underpinning issue is he isn't an athlete. Although he's evidently made an effort to address the base fitness issues he had last year it won't add a yard of pace or make him any more agile or mobile. He's as flat footed a player as I've seen in years and his mobility is poor, shortening his stride length and giving that impression of him running hard but not fast.

Although he seems to have a Beckford - like pathological hatred of heading the ball, it's not helped because he has no spring. It's nigh on impossible with feet as flat as his. 

He has some ability on the floor and, presented with a ball just in front of him and a keeper to beat he can do that, but he has no particular position he's clearly good at and is one of a number Evatt spunked money on who, contrary to his pontificating about buying for the Championship, clearly has a ceiling at L1 level. Collins was another, will never play higher than L1 (especially not now)

7 hours ago, ianofcleveleys said:

McAtee's underpinning issue is he isn't an athlete. Although he's evidently made an effort to address the base fitness issues he had last year it won't add a yard of pace or make him any more agile or mobile. He's as flat footed a player as I've seen in years and his mobility is poor, shortening his stride length and giving that impression of him running hard but not fast.

Although he seems to have a Beckford - like pathological hatred of heading the ball, it's not helped because he has no spring. It's nigh on impossible with feet as flat as his. 

He has some ability on the floor and, presented with a ball just in front of him and a keeper to beat he can do that, but he has no particular position he's clearly good at and is one of a number Evatt spunked money on who, contrary to his pontificating about buying for the Championship, clearly has a ceiling at L1 level. Collins was another, will never play higher than L1 (especially not now)

Genuine question,  what position did he play on Wednesday? 

When was the last time McAtee got a scoring opportunity that involved him heading it into the net and he fluffed it? For that matter, when was the last time anyone set him up with a good chance of any description in the box?

Maybe it’s me but apart from a shot he took on from 30 yds I can’t remember any of the chances he’s fluffed and or these alleged headers he’s apparently muffing every game.

TBF I often can’t remember why I came into the kitchen though.

 

33 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

When was the last time McAtee got a scoring opportunity that involved him heading it into the net and he fluffed it? For that matter, when was the last time anyone set him up with a good chance of any description in the box?

Maybe it’s me but apart from a shot he took on from 30 yds I can’t remember any of the chances he’s fluffed and or these alleged headers he’s apparently muffing every game.

TBF I often can’t remember why I came into the kitchen though.

 

Did you not see the chance in the second half v Stockport? He was to the left of the penalty spot, with a lot of time, but blazed it high and wide and over our heads in the away end.