Blackpool (A)

[Wanderlust]

1 hour ago, masi 51 said:

The defence is the last part of the re-build it is what is holding us back......You will never convince the Evatt lovers on here otherwise

So you’re saying Schumacher is at fault for choosing not to replace them, right?

[masi 51]

2 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

So you’re saying Schumacher is at fault for choosing not to replace them, right?

No you are........He cannot possibly change a whole squad in one window. After today he will have enough players sitting out their contracts without increasing that number.

No easy solution but if you cannot see the club is going forward [results/luck not going our way]  Anything i say will not change you.

Evatt/Markham also left Schumacher some quality i am not saying change the complete squad.

I expect play-offs min this season, but it is next season I, me not saying you or anyone else will judge him on

[Cheese]

9 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

Well if Schumacher is now getting the best out of HIS squad, Im worried because it’s nowhere near as good as what Evatt got out of the old squad.

So are you saying Schumacher is failing  because his squad isn’t as good as Evatt’s squad or that Schumacher is getting less out of the players at his disposal than Evatt did out of his?

Neither. Try reading my post again, you numpty.

[Wanderlust]

Just now, masi 51 said:

No you are........He cannot possibly change a whole squad in one window. After today he will have enough players sitting out their contracts without increasing that number.

No easy solution but if you cannot see the club is going forward [results/luck not going our way]  Anything i say will not change you.

Evatt/Markham also left Schumacher some quality i am not saying change the complete squad.

I expect play-offs min this season, but it is next season I, me not saying you or anyone else will judge him on

Bullshit. I am saying that Schumacher decided he wanted to keep them and rather spend the money on replacing them with signings or loans he chose to blow it on the likes of Cissoko. His decisions, his squad.

[masi 51]

21 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

But despite signing 14 players this window, SS signed none of them to replace what you see as the weakest link?
 

Are you saying SS is an idiot?

you like to spin your own narrative ie Are you saying........No it is what you are saying

Midfield was our weakest link and as shown the ten position despite the previous regime splashing 4m on that position alone.

Thomason going for 1,2m and replacing him with Simons and Erhahon was a masterstroke.

Taylor and Dalby we have to see   Cissoko i am not convinced Gale like Warren is not ready for the first team and i think the rest are loans

 

[Wanderlust]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Neither. Try reading my post again, you numpty.

I did.

You said “basically he’s scrapped the whole squad and started again”

You said “Evatt was sacked for not getting the best out of his players”

So now Schumacher has the players he wants a) my question is entirely reasonable and b) at what point will you finally accept that Schumacher has to take responsibility for the decisions he’s made, the performance of the players he’s signed and the performance of the players he chose not to replace?
 

Numpty.

[masi 51]

23 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

Bullshit. I am saying that Schumacher decided he wanted to keep them and rather spend the money on replacing them with signings or loans he chose to blow it on the likes of Cissoko. His decisions, his squad.

What money???

All that was wasted by the previous Regime    Schon 800k  Mcatee 1m  Randal 1.2  Gomes 400k  Nlundulu 500k  

None starting Saturday

Schumacher spending this window  has us currently in profit

Edited September 1, 2025 by masi 51

[Wanderlust]

3 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

you like to spin your own narrative ie Are you saying........No it is what you are saying

Midfield was our weakest link and as shown the ten position despite the previous regime splashing 4m on that position alone.

Thomason going for 1,2m and replacing him with Simons and Erhahon was a masterstroke.

Taylor and Dalby we have to see   Cissoko i am not convinced Gale like Warren is not ready for the first team and i think the rest are loans

 

If you genuinely aren’t capable of understanding what I’m saying there’s little point in trying to explain it to you, but in a nutshell if you or anyone blames any player,you are blaming Schumacher because he either signed them or chose to retain them.

[Cheese]

6 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

I did.

You said “basically he’s scrapped the whole squad and started again”

You said “Evatt was sacked for not getting the best out of his players”

So now Schumacher has the players he wants a) my question is entirely reasonable and b) at what point will you finally accept that Schumacher has to take responsibility for the decisions he’s made, the performance of the players he’s signed and the performance of the players he chose not to replace?
 

Numpty.

I also said "it's lunacy to judge him 6 games into the season", you deluded plantpot. Schumacher clearly doesn't yet have all the players he wants. He can't just swap them for his preferred targets like a fucking computer game. And our performaces have been absolutely fine so far. I'll judge him next season after a couple more windows.

Edited September 1, 2025 by Cheese

[tomski]

Sign back in to your sincy profile lusty😂

[Rival Son]

I’m just glad some of you aren’t running a business I’m involved with. Just where is the money coming from to replace all these players?

Schumacher rightly identified the areas that needed to be addressed, to move to the new formation. Wingers, forwards, midfield steel and not a single left back at the club.

In doing so, he has massively increased the number of players at the club and, by extension, the wage bill. While we have managed to move out some playing staff, we are still carrying a number of first team players and salaries who won’t feature in the named squad, such as Schon, CMG, and Nlundulu, while we need a another forward and right back, who may arrive today.

We already have four centre backs at the club who are proven at L1 level. While we might want a little better, this is not a priority until we have recruited other areas AND removed the cost of those players who have become surplus.

Replacing the whole squad in a single window was never a viable option - it’s easy to recruit but not easy to remove all surplus cost. Prioritisation of the areas of recruitment has been fine for me. And as soon as our four-man forward line click, and our keeper manages to save a few, we’ll find a defence that allows less than 2 on-target attempts per game, is fine; at least until a future window.

[Whitesince63]

29 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

No - Im saying he’s signed 14 players and had the backing and choice to buy in any position so if he’s chosen not to replace Toal and Johnston for example it’s because he - unlike you - rates them as good enough. He seems quite happy to have inherited Conway too. Those defenders are Schumacher’s choice.

What I am saying is that it is undoubtedly his squad so folk need to stop blaming Schumacher’s results on Evatt or anything else.
 

And FWIW he hasn’t failed yet, but needs to start winning games soon and I really hope he does.

Yes lusty I see your point that the defenders are Schu’s choice because he’s stuck with them rather than replace so they therefore aren’t Evatt’s players any more other than Taylor and I suppose technically Conway. Whether he’s right to do that the jury’s out on but with Will Forester nearly back now I don’t see major problems if we just score more at the end he has changed.

[masi 51]

It is you through having your ears bunged up that is not listening.......Schumacher/Fergal etc have a Budget

Schumacher hands are tied because we have given long contracts to players who can only play as wing/backs 

What are you saying he should of stuck with the poor mans pepe way that everyone is now abandoning???

Cissoko is a loan.........Not a 1m plus player we are stuck with

 

[masi 51]

3 minutes ago, Rival Son said:

I’m just glad some of you aren’t running a business I’m involved with. Just where is the money coming from to replace all these players?

Schumacher rightly identified the areas that needed to be addressed, to move to the new formation. Wingers, forwards, midfield steel and not a single left back at the club.

In doing so, he has massively increased the number of players at the club and, by extension, the wage bill. While we have managed to move out some playing staff, we are still carrying a number of first team players and salaries who won’t feature in the named squad, such as Schon, CMG, and Nlundulu, while we need a another forward and right back, who may arrive today.

We already have four centre backs at the club who are proven at L1 level. While we might want a little better, this is not a priority until we have recruited other areas AND removed the cost of those players who have become surplus.

Replacing the whole squad in a single window was never a viable option - it’s easy to recruit but not easy to remove all surplus cost. Prioritisation of the areas of recruitment has been fine for me. And as soon as our four-man forward line click, and our keeper manages to save a few, we’ll find a defence that allows less than 2 on-target attempts per game, is fine; at least until a future window.

You have put it down way better than i could but everything about this post is correct

[Tombwfc]

2 hours ago, Eddie said:

It’s not yet Schumacher’s squad (look at the defence), and he’s had 6 games with it as it is.

You seem determined to be proved right that Schumacher is “failing”. 

 

At what exact point does it become SS's squad? If Toal, JDC etc. stay in the team because actually he quite rates them, does it remain Evatt's squad in perpetuity?

People are acting like he inherited a non-league side, we were level sixth. It was always a case of him getting the best out of the talent that was already here, not running every last one of them out of the club.

From my side, I have no interest in being proven right. I don't really have a take on whether I think Schumacher will ultimately be successful. But the results since he's been in charge have been woeful and well below what anyone would've expected. If/when the results are better, I'll say they're better. There's not much else to it.

It's others that live in a hypothetical world where we've won every game. And where we're both the best footballing side in the division about to smash all comers, but also it's going to take years and an entirely new squad to get us where we already were.

[Eddie]

32 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

At what exact point does it become SS's squad? If Toal, JDC etc. stay in the team because actually he quite rates them, does it remain Evatt's squad in perpetuity?

People are acting like he inherited a non-league side, we were level sixth. It was always a case of him getting the best out of the talent that was already here, not running every last one of them out of the club.

From my side, I have no interest in being proven right. I don't really have a take on whether I think Schumacher will ultimately be successful. But the results since he's been in charge have been woeful and well below what anyone would've expected. If/when the results are better, I'll say they're better. There's not much else to it.

It's others that live in a hypothetical world where we've won every game. And where we're both the best footballing side in the division about to smash all comers, but also it's going to take years and an entirely new squad to get us where we already were.

When he’s had more than 1 window with it.

To be honest, I don’t actually give a shit. You can either find all the reasons to be negative, add them together and write the season off after 6 games, or you can have a bit of balance, believe things are going in the right direction but aren’t perfect and at least have some hope and optimism for a season that has just hit September.

I’ll have the latter.

Final point - I’d be very interested to hear the Blackpool fans point of view. Considering many were saying how impressive their transfer business was and that they’re expected to be up there this year, they just got made to look very very poor and were time wasting at home to protect their fortunate point. If we think it’s bad, then they must be questioning whether they’ll stay up.

Edited September 1, 2025 by Eddie

[boltonboris]

I don't read it as TomBWFC being negative. He's rightly pointing out that results are not matching expectation. I also don't buy this "Not my squad, no my problem" rhetoric. He's brought in players that he wanted. He's still playing some players from the previous manager, 2 of them are captains. On of them (JDC) he waxes lyrical about. 

Yes he has some budgetary restrictions, but the team he now, just like the team he inherited, are more capable than his PPG reflects. I like Schumacher. I feel like we're on the right track. But I'm not giving him an absolute free hit for the next 12 months. 

I think he should be doing better. I think he will do better too fwiw

[Wanderlust]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

I also said "it's lunacy to judge him 6 games into the season", you deluded plantpot. Schumacher clearly doesn't yet have all the players he wants. He can't just swap them for his preferred targets like a fucking computer game. And our performaces have been absolutely fine so far. I'll judge him next season after a couple more windows.

I totally agree we shouldn’t be judging him 6 games into the season, but that’s not what we’re discussing is it?

We are discussing whether or not Schumacher is responsible for this squad, their performances and results - or not.

And given that this squad consists entirely of players he has signed, loaned or decided not to replace and who are all under his coaching, I am saying that he is responsible for the performances and results.

But what Im reading is a load of twaddle about Evatt somehow being responsible, even though Schumacher has made all the decisions, coaches and picks the team, formation, tactics and strategy.

And on that note I’ll select a random unnecessary insult as you seem to find them necessary to amplify your weak logic. 
You, Sir, are a mountebank.

 

[ianofcleveleys]

1 hour ago, Rival Son said:

I’m just glad some of you aren’t running a business I’m involved with. Just where is the money coming from to replace all these players?

Schumacher rightly identified the areas that needed to be addressed, to move to the new formation. Wingers, forwards, midfield steel and not a single left back at the club.

In doing so, he has massively increased the number of players at the club and, by extension, the wage bill. While we have managed to move out some playing staff, we are still carrying a number of first team players and salaries who won’t feature in the named squad, such as Schon, CMG, and Nlundulu, while we need a another forward and right back, who may arrive today.

We already have four centre backs at the club who are proven at L1 level. While we might want a little better, this is not a priority until we have recruited other areas AND removed the cost of those players who have become surplus.

Replacing the whole squad in a single window was never a viable option - it’s easy to recruit but not easy to remove all surplus cost. Prioritisation of the areas of recruitment has been fine for me. And as soon as our four-man forward line click, and our keeper manages to save a few, we’ll find a defence that allows less than 2 on-target attempts per game, is fine; at least until a future window.

When we walked out of the stadium after that last home game of last season, most of us were concerned about how little room SS would have to overhaul as much as was necessary.

Considering his budget has evidently been tighter than he might have hoped, and he's hampered by the fees and contracts before him, he's engineered a pretty big change so far. 

Still more to do for sure but double figures levels of movement is a significant amount of change in one window

[Wanderlust]

31 minutes ago, Eddie said:

When he’s had more than 1 window with it.

To be honest, I don’t actually give a shit. You can either find all the reasons to be negative, add them together and write the season off after 6 games, or you can have a bit of balance, believe things are going in the right direction but aren’t perfect and at least have some hope and optimism for a season that has just hit September.

I’ll have the latter

You talk about “balance” and in the same sentence talk about “writing the season off after 6 games” - which to my knowledge absolutely NOBODY has done.

And in the interest of “balance” let’s put the record straight - Schumacher has had seven months at the helm including a whole bunch of last season to evaluate the players he inherited and decide who he wanted to keep or dump plus a busy preseason to experiment, and has signed fourteen players so why would he need another window if his judgement is sound?

He has his squad and now he needs to show us he was right in his decisions.

[perth_white]

1 hour ago, Whitesince63 said:

Yes lusty I see your point that the defenders are Schu’s choice because he’s stuck with them rather than replace so they therefore aren’t Evatt’s players any more other than Taylor and I suppose technically Conway. Whether he’s right to do that the jury’s out on but with Will Forester nearly back now I don’t see major problems if we just score more at the end he has changed.

@tomski and there it is

[Cheese]

11 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

I totally agree we shouldn’t be judging him 6 games into the season, but that’s not what we’re discussing is it?

We are discussing whether or not Schumacher is responsible for this squad, their performances and results - or not.

And given that this squad consists entirely of players he has signed, loaned or decided not to replace and who are all under his coaching, I am saying that he is responsible for the performances and results.

But what Im reading is a load of twaddle about Evatt somehow being responsible, even though Schumacher has made all the decisions, coaches and picks the team, formation, tactics and strategy.

And on that note I’ll select a random unnecessary insult as you seem to find them necessary to amplify your weak logic. 
You, Sir, are a mountebank.

Who has blamed Evatt for the last 4 results?

[gonzo]

I could probably see the hysterics if we were playing shite. Weve been the team in every game bar probably Barnsley.

We had some bloody awful starts and runs under the previous regimes and still ended up in the mixer.

Even if we limp through drawing all over the show all season we'd still be in a shout of the play offs.

It's a dogshit division and we really aren't far off with a team full of lads who hadn't even met eachother a few weeks ago.

It'll be reet. 

[Wanderlust]

1 hour ago, Rival Son said:

I’m just glad some of you aren’t running a business I’m involved with. Just where is the money coming from to replace all these players?

Schumacher rightly identified the areas that needed to be addressed, to move to the new formation. Wingers, forwards, midfield steel and not a single left back at the club.

 

Playing with out and out wingers was Schumacher’s choice and we didn’t have any in the old system so fair enough, he had to get some. We had forwards but they were either crap, injured or both so bringing some in is logical. Thomason was the nearest thing we had to midfield steel, but SS decided to cash in (along with Collins etc which supplied the dosh you were asking about) However we had at least 2 left backs - Johnston and Conway who ain’t doing bad - plus Toal in an emergency.

Needs to get some out of the door today.

[Eddie]

25 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

You talk about “balance” and in the same sentence talk about “writing the season off after 6 games” - which to my knowledge absolutely NOBODY has done.

And in the interest of “balance” let’s put the record straight - Schumacher has had seven months at the helm including a whole bunch of last season to evaluate the players he inherited and decide who he wanted to keep or dump plus a busy preseason to experiment, and has signed fourteen players so why would he need another window if his judgement is sound?

He has his squad and now he needs to show us he was right in his decisions.

Going round in circles. I’m positive, you’re not. Agree to disagree