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Are we assuming will be postponed due to International call ups ?

ACD must be close to U21s if he made long squad last time. Not sure what Stevenage have and if any earlier postponements they had were due to other teams ?
 

Bradford at home is the week after and away tickets for that were sold out last week. No mention that I have seen about these.  

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Stevenage play a 4-2-3-1 so there's sense in reverting back to our usual formation 

For what it's worth I don't see any reason to change the starting XI from Saturday tomorrow night unless someone picked up a knock. 

I imagine Stevenage will ask more questions than Wigan did but I don't think anyone had a bad game at weekend, certainly not to warrant being dropped out of the starting line up.

1 hour ago, Eddie said:

Out of interest, why couldn’t you see it?

Seems like the obvious thing for me, especially away from home. I don’t see why it would just be a one off thing against Wigan - it wouldn’t make sense.

Same set up with 1, possibly 2 changes for me.

McAtee or Forss in for Burstow

Potentially Erhahon in for Simons - although I’d rather leave as much of the team the same as possible.

Don’t change a winning team. That’s still the very best mantra to go on.

13 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Stevenage play a 4-2-3-1 so there's sense in reverting back to our usual formation 

No there isn’t. The old system was failing why on earth go back to it?

6 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

No there isn’t. The old system was failing why on earth go back to it?

I'm not claiming we should, just that if we did there's logic to it given the formation the opposition play

Personally, I'd rather we kept the three at the back but it probably means asking JOT to play a second match in a few days and it seems to be the case the physios think he shouldn't

1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I'm not claiming we should, just that if we did there's logic to it given the formation the opposition play

Personally, I'd rather we kept the three at the back but it probably means asking JOT to play a second match in a few days and it seems to be the case the physios think he shouldn't

can't believe how so overlooked this is ffs 

thickos 

32 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Stevenage play a 4-2-3-1 so there's sense in reverting back to our usual formation 

There is... but the best thing to come out of Saturday (other than the 3 points and collective Wigan piss-boil) is that opposing managers now have to try to second guess what our setup will be, and plan accordingly.

No more knowing *exactly* what we're trying to do, and spending a week drilling fullbacks on showing wingers outside.

7 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

I agree but there were a couple of questionable judgments to be considered in the light of poor results, however he rallied in the Wigan game and despite that it’s still in the balance depending on what happens going forward.

The Xmas period was the first time he has come under widespread scrutiny but all things considered he does have to contend with a lot of issues including budget, form and player quality so going forward it will be a matter of trying to differentiate between manager performance and player performance to decide if  he’s the right man for us.

Sure, one swallow doesn't make a summer. 

But the evidence that he is willing to change up the style gives him a lot of credit. His predecessor didn't (aside from that L2 Covid January where we were 18th and the board spent heavily)... and it became his undoing. 

29 minutes ago, TM Trotter said:

Sure, one swallow doesn't make a summer. 

But the evidence that he is willing to change up the style gives him a lot of credit. His predecessor didn't (aside from that L2 Covid January where we were 18th and the board spent heavily)... and it became his undoing. 

The very predecessors interview after their recent defeat smacks a familiar tone.

3 hours ago, gonzo said:

He was like the lad we saw in the play off game for Barnsley on Sat.

Proper pest, exactly what we needed.

Amazing what playing players in the right positions does 

Burstow ,Dalby, Mcatee and Forss have all one thing in common they cannot play alone up front 

I seriously do not see us going back to starting with two wingers

Edited by masi 51

41 minutes ago, TM Trotter said:

Sure, one swallow doesn't make a summer. 

But the evidence that he is willing to change up the style gives him a lot of credit. His predecessor didn't (aside from that L2 Covid January where we were 18th and the board spent heavily)... and it became his undoing. 

He did change it at the start of last season after the Oxford debacle had bent his brain.

11 minutes ago, Cheese said:

He did change it at the start of last season after the Oxford debacle had bent his brain.

Go on i will bite, just tell me one league game he started last season without three playing centre back and two wingbacks

 

It dont exist

28 minutes ago, gonzo said:

The very predecessors interview after their recent defeat smacks a familiar tone.

The goals given away at Barnsley looked chillingly familiar, though cause for a chuckle given it was Blackpool

10 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

Go on i will bite, just tell me one league game he started last season without three playing centre back and two wingbacks

 

It dont exist

I'll ignore the words you've put in my mouth. He switched it to 3-4-3/3-4-2-1, rather than a flat 5-3-2/3-5-2. It was discussed quite a lot at the time.

Edited by Cheese

If we play the same system the ball will have to go forward much more quickly. No passing sideways and especially backwards as that will play into their hands as they'll have a full press.

I do think we'll go back to the 4-4-1-1 / 4-2-3-1 and expect to see a few changes 

Bonham

Christie, Toal, Johnston, Conway

ACD, Erhahon, Simons, Gale

Dempsey

Burstow

 

16 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I'll ignore the words you've put in my mouth. He switched it to 3-4-3/3-4-2-1, rather than a flat 5-3-2/3-5-2. It was discussed quite a lot at the time.

It was discussed at the time about putting square pegs into round holes ie Iredale at centre back and Mcatee and lolas in Midfield

He never once deviated from a back 5 three centre backs and two wingbacks

You have put four systems that you say Evatt toyed with at the start of last season.........He never had four systems in his five years with us.

14 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

If we play the same system the ball will have to go forward much more quickly. No passing sideways and especially backwards as that will play into their hands as they'll have a full press.

I do think we'll go back to the 4-4-1-1 / 4-2-3-1 and expect to see a few changes 

Bonham

Christie, Toal, Johnston, Conway

ACD, Erhahon, Simons, Gale

Dempsey

Burstow

 

That 4-4-1-1 system could have legs at home. We have never played it before ie Dempsey more forward than ACD and Gale.

I can see that being a option but without Dempsey and adding a second forward

1 minute ago, masi 51 said:

That 4-4-1-1 system could have legs at home. We have never played it before ie Dempsey more forward than ACD and Gale.

I can see that being a option but without Dempsey and adding a second forward

I think we've played a version of a 4-4-1-1 pretty much every match bar Wigan away haven't we? 

4-1-4-1

4-2-3-1

4-4-1-1

All pretty much the same with adjustments with/without the ball

 

And I've just bored myself typing that out!

11 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

It was discussed at the time about putting square pegs into round holes ie Iredale at centre back and Mcatee and lolas in Midfield

He never once deviated from a back 5 three centre backs and two wingbacks

You have put four systems that you say Evatt toyed with at the start of last season.........He never had four systems in his five years with us.

Again, you seem to be reading what's in your head rather than what's on your screen.

Don't think we need to be particularly wedded to a system although I would stick with that in the main for away games.

For home games I want to see the wingers more, and 3 at the back seems overkill

Edited by jmjhb

Any win any way will do.

47 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

I think we've played a version of a 4-4-1-1 pretty much every match bar Wigan away haven't we? 

No until now the two wingers have always played ahead of the ten

Just now, masi 51 said:

No until now the two wingers have always played ahead of the ten

I'm not sure that's correct. 

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