Stig Posted January 20 Posted January 20 12 hours ago, Eddie said: When did it become such a problem for players to play 2 games in a week? Mansfield played 3 games in 7 days (Barnsley away, Bolton away, Bradford at home), made very few subs and hardly changed the starting 11 with at least 7 players playing all 3 games… and won them all. I bet every one of the 11 that started on Saturday wants to start tomorrow. If there’s injuries then fine, but if not then just send them out again and make subs if you can see some running out of steam. They’re professional athletes in their 20s (mostly) - 7-10km twice in 4 days shouldn’t be such a problematic situation. On the whole I agree, but looks at Tutu for example. The moment he has a run of consecutive games he seems to break down. And quite often it's not that a player couldn't turn out if needed, it's that they would be playing at 80% against an opponent who might be 100%. So I'm hoping to see the same team as Wigan, but wouldn't be annoyed if there were a couple of changes to preserve players like Tutu. Can't go back to 5/6 bingo ball changes though. Quote
Rival Son Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) If we are to keep the Wigan formation tonight, and Tutu is unable to play two 90 minutes in three days, I’m going to suggest something left field, to replace him: Aaron Morley. From an attacking perspective, Morley would offer something different to Tutu. While he is unlikely to have the same quick footed movement of Tutu, I believe his first time crosses into Dalby would be far superior to those of Tutu. And from a defensive perspective? Well, both Evatt and Schumacher have previously pulled Morley back into defence, where he’s not looked out of place. While I don’t think he’d have the acceleration of Tutu, I do believe he’d be stronger in the tackle. This thought first germinated with me, during the second half at Wigan, as I grew increasingly frustrated at Tutu’s inability to deliver decent ball into the box. Edited January 20 by Rival Son Quote
Eddie Posted January 20 Posted January 20 4 minutes ago, Rival Son said: If we are to keep the Wigan formation tonight, and Tutu is unable to play two 90 minutes in three days, I’m going to suggest something left field, to replace him: Aaron Morley. From an attacking perspective, Morley would offer something different to Tutu. While he is unlikely to have the same quick footed movement of Tutu, I believe his first time crosses into Dalby would be far superior to those of Tutu. And from a defensive perspective? Well, both Evatt and Schumacher have previously pulled Morley back into defence, where he’s not looked out of pace. While I don’t think he’d have the acceleration of Tutu, I do believe he’d be stronger in the tackle. This thought first germinated with me, during the second half at Wigan, as I grew increasingly frustrated at Tutu’s inability to deliver decent ball into the box. It’s not a bad shout (in theory). It’s funny, the only single reason I could see for switching away from the Wigan set up would be because Tutu can’t seem to play regularly without breaking as @Stig says, but it’s the one place where we now don’t have a real alternative (no way has Christie got the legs for it). On paper, I think Morley would suit it in many ways and Dalby would be frothing at the thought of him whipping balls in. In reality it could be an absolute disaster 😂 If it was a choice between same formation but Morley as RWB, or switch back to 4231 then personally I’d be going for the former. Quote
Stig Posted January 20 Posted January 20 4 minutes ago, Rival Son said: If we are to keep the Wigan formation tonight, and Tutu is unable to play two 90 minutes in three days, I’m going to suggest something left field, to replace him: Aaron Morley. From an attacking perspective, Morley would offer something different to Tutu. While he is unlikely to have the same quick footed movement of Tutu, I believe his first time crosses into Dalby would be far superior to those of Tutu. And from a defensive perspective? Well, both Evatt and Schumacher have previously pulled Morley back into defence, where he’s not looked out of pace. While I don’t think he’d have the acceleration of Tutu, I do believe he’d be stronger in the tackle. This thought first germinated with me, during the second half at Wigan, as I grew increasingly frustrated at Tutu’s inability to deliver decent ball into the box. Not a bad idea. Similar to Tomo doing left wing back for Wrexham. I think he's more likely to think Tutu is knackered so we move back to a back 4 with Christie, which then forces one of their change of either an extra midfielder or attacker for one of the 3 CBs. Harsh on any of Johnston, Toal or Forino to be dropped though. Quote
gonzo Posted January 20 Posted January 20 23 minutes ago, Eddie said: It’s not a bad shout (in theory). It’s funny, the only single reason I could see for switching away from the Wigan set up would be because Tutu can’t seem to play regularly without breaking as @Stig says, but it’s the one place where we now don’t have a real alternative (no way has Christie got the legs for it). On paper, I think Morley would suit it in many ways and Dalby would be frothing at the thought of him whipping balls in. In reality it could be an absolute disaster 😂 If it was a choice between same formation but Morley as RWB, or switch back to 4231 then personally I’d be going for the former. He had a little dabble there last season didn't he? Sure he didn't do badly either. In a similar vein to you I was shouting at a Conway etc to hit the space near the corner flag and get the ball in. Then bosh it went in at Dalby nearly scored. There was a guy near me going absolutely nuts about Tutu and ended up debating with a bloke behind. Quote
Leyther_Matt Posted January 20 Posted January 20 I don’t think it would necessarily be a disaster to play Morley at RWB, but he doesn’t have the legs of Tutu or previously Cogley to get outside on the overlap, but that would lend itself to getting earlier balls in to the box, and he’s certainly got the best delivery of the lot. Slight concern of him not being quick enough to get back, but that’s where the midfield two have got to be smart and move across to cover. Quote
L/H White Posted January 20 Posted January 20 just to manage expectations, the last time we beat wigan away, it took us 9 attempts to win another away game blew our load Quote
Leyther_Matt Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Just now, L/H White said: just to manage expectations, the last time we beat wigan away, it took us 9 attempts to win another away game blew our load Poor effort. You should have said we didn’t win away until well in to the following season 😁 Quote
bolty58 Posted January 20 Posted January 20 I've been expecting this shower of shit to implode. Anticipating that we will help them along that route. Quote
L/H White Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) i'd be happy with a point tonight, 4 points from 3 aways on the spin, isn't to bad considering how bad we are away from home, and how shit peterborough was Edited January 20 by L/H White Quote
boltonboris Posted January 20 Posted January 20 37 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said: I don’t think it would necessarily be a disaster to play Morley at RWB, but he doesn’t have the legs of Tutu or previously Cogley to get outside on the overlap, but that would lend itself to getting earlier balls in to the box, and he’s certainly got the best delivery of the lot. Slight concern of him not being quick enough to get back, but that’s where the midfield two have got to be smart and move across to cover. I don’t think pace is an issue for Morley. By all accounts, he’s one of the quicker players in the squad at straight line sprints. It’s no longer a position though where you can just plant anyone there and they could do a job (like it was in my day, sorry RB’s!). No qualms about him doing it late in the game to get the ball off the keeper and get us going if we’re chasing but Tutu and Christie are better options Quote
boltonboris Posted January 20 Posted January 20 22 minutes ago, L/H White said: i'd be happy with a point tonight, 4 points from 3 aways on the spin, isn't to bad considering how bad we are away from home, and how shit peterborough was They’ve drawn 4 of their last 5 at home Think it’s DDLDD Can see this again. Whilst they’re not picking up too many wins at the moment, like us, they are hard to beat at home and have one of the best home records in the division for PPG. Id also be happy take a solitary point. I’d be over the fuckin moon with three. Quote
Rival Son Posted January 20 Posted January 20 49 minutes ago, boltonboris said: I don’t think pace is an issue for Morley. By all accounts, he’s one of the quicker players in the squad at straight line sprints. It’s no longer a position though where you can just plant anyone there and they could do a job (like it was in my day, sorry RB’s!). No qualms about him doing it late in the game to get the ball off the keeper and get us going if we’re chasing but Tutu and Christie are better options Interesting. You’re comfortable with Tutu switching from left wing back, to left wing, to right back and now right wing back, over a few months, and yet you’re wary of playing Morley - a right-footed midfielder, with proven crossing ability, and experience of playing in defensive positions - at right wing back. For what it’s worth, I think Morley is a stronger and more technically gifted player than Tutu. I believe he can do a job a right wing back. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 20 Posted January 20 11 hours ago, marple whites said: It was Sunderland at home and Portsmouth away That's the one. Grim. Quote
L/H White Posted January 20 Posted January 20 7 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said: Wagons roll COYWM you need help, or a job have a good en Quote
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted January 20 Posted January 20 6 minutes ago, Rival Son said: Interesting. You’re comfortable with Tutu switching from left wing back, to left wing, to right back and now right wing back, over a few months, and yet you’re wary of playing Morley - a right-footed midfielder, with proven crossing ability, and experience of playing in defensive positions - at right wing back. For what it’s worth, I think Morley is a stronger and more technically gifted player than Tutu. I believe he can do a job a right wing back. Tutu's played full-back, wing-back, winger over the course of his caredr, though Morley hasn't It could work but it's easy to understand why people are more confident in Tutu playing there Quote
woolli Posted January 20 Posted January 20 1 hour ago, boltonboris said: They’ve drawn 4 of their last 5 at home Think it’s DDLDD Can see this again. Whilst they’re not picking up too many wins at the moment, like us, they are hard to beat at home and have one of the best home records in the division for PPG. Id also be happy take a solitary point. I’d be over the fuckin moon with three. How bad have things got when fans are happy with a point at fuckin Stevenage? God forbid! Quote
BeeversLeftPeg Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Hopefully we back up Saturday with 3 points heading into the 2 home games. 12-15 points from Wigan to Wimbledon and we are right in the mix going into the last 3rd of the season. Some big games next month too. Quote
masi 51 Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Rival Son said: Interesting. You’re comfortable with Tutu switching from left wing back, to left wing, to right back and now right wing back, over a few months, and yet you’re wary of playing Morley - a right-footed midfielder, with proven crossing ability, and experience of playing in defensive positions - at right wing back. For what it’s worth, I think Morley is a stronger and more technically gifted player than Tutu. I believe he can do a job a right wing back. Morley would do a good job in that role i agree...Theres not much emphasis at tracking back when you have 3 centre halfs covering Edited January 20 by masi 51 Quote
bolton va va Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Horses for courses for me, so same sort of system that won at Wigan for a similarish game tonight but revert to 2 wingers for Saturday's home game whatever tonight's result. With games coming thick & fast, we should use the squad, so no problem with 1 or 2 changes........there's only Dalby who has no realistic cover. The rotation of players & resting players who are carrying knocks has massively reduced our long term injuries this season. Quote
Ani Posted January 20 Author Posted January 20 I do not disagree with Morley as a defensive player, he has played as a centre half in a 2 or 3 when chasing games. But the decision to let JDC go if the change in formation was planned seems strange. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 20 Posted January 20 1 hour ago, woolli said: How bad have things got when fans are happy with a point at fuckin Stevenage? God forbid! They're there on merit. We should approach it as such. Quote
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