In x4

 

Have we ever won here ? Has it ever not be shit ? 

1 hour ago, desperado said:

The one thing I’m pretty sure on is that Gale, Conway and Johnston together on the left doesn’t to me look very solid at all. 

100% 👍

50 minutes ago, Walkden White said:

I’m putting that draw down to Schumaker and not for the first time this season. I don’t think there’s many Bolton fans that at Rotherham away would have started with Rodrigues or not started with Dempsey. Just a couple of instances. 
 

Really good managers get those selection decisions right 90% of the time. 

Did you happen to mention this before the game?

We've seen Dempsey as the 10 before with Dalby and it didn't work. V Blackpool it was a shit show. Ruben earned a start and hasn't come to sit on the bench. We didn't conceed 2 because of him. 

 

1 hour ago, bwfc4ife said:

Bonham has made some good saves but is also dodgy as fuck. He’s better than TSL but it doesn’t really mean a great deal. That ridiculous parry at Exeter leading to the goal for example, he did something similar last weekend too. Baxter and southwood both way better for me. I’d be looking to give Harrington a go, can’t be any worse.

Have you watched us in the last 5 or 6 years? 😀

Southwood had good shot stopping generally but he wouldn't have even reached that save Bonham made 2nd half or the one after 5 minutes from Nombe (low to his right), they wouldn't have gone down as mistakes, just shots he couldn't get to.  

1 hour ago, Ani said:

Not long back.

Another game where we miss a very good early chance. Look the better team and suddenly are two down. Battle back and could win it at the end. 
 

My biggest worry is how many soft goals we give away and we are even further than ever for knowing our best XI.

Keeper - good safe second half but at fault for second and nowhere for the first

Tutu - Simply not a right back

Firino - Big lump centre half not suited to the passing about at the back

GJ - Committed but lacks quality. Him and Forino tippy tap at the back is pointkess

 Max - Last week full of entry and flying forward , very hesitant today but did not do much wrong 

Sheehan - Tidy but nothing outstanding

EE - Silly early booking , zero attacking intent. No surprise he was subbed.

RR - not involved enough

CBT - looked a threat missed the best chance limped off

Gale - Frustrating as hell , one chance he had a world class touch then back pass to keeper. Not sure he took the right option once

MB - Strange to play him wide , improved when more central but largely ineffective

Sam - works hard deserved his goal

Subs

KD - made a difference when came on

JK - made a difference when came on

CC - Not sure why he is here , not his fault.

Apter - Made little difference when he came on , but a better option than MB imo as a wide right player

Included Gale above as on so long 

 

Once again fails like we have battled well to recover to make a disaster a disappointment 

 

Hope you enjoyed your away day, I probably agree with most or all of your points, but I've not got the brainpower to work out who the initials refer to 😀

I stopped at KD as that will always be Kev Davies, god knows who CC or JK are but I'm sure they're decent players on their day, except when played out of position, whatever that is.

7 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Did you happen to mention this before the game?

We've seen Dempsey as the 10 before with Dalby and it didn't work. V Blackpool it was a shit show. Ruben earned a start and hasn't come to sit on the bench. We didn't conceed 2 because of him. 

 

Aye that’s a proper after the event call.

He’ll be another one of them with a magical formula that should be used to achieve 100% success every game.

SS after match comments talked about including a number 10 and that made sense. Rodrigues has been here a month working on his fitness and has had a great contribution from the bench a couple of times.

OK, it didn’t work out today, we could all come on here and say I wouldn’t have done that.

 

22 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Hope you enjoyed your away day, I probably agree with most or all of your points, but I've not got the brainpower to work out who the initials refer to 😀

I stopped at KD as that will always be Kev Davies, god knows who CC or JK are but I'm sure they're decent players on their day, except when played out of position, whatever that is.

LOL, yeah took me ages to work out CC.

4 hours ago, Didledee said:

Need to stop relying on repair jobs, especially against teams so low down in the table, why was no confidence gained from the Wycombe comeback??

Story of the season isn't it ?

Some great moments we think will drive us forward, but they rarely do.

Still a great squad to take into the playoffs, even if we are now looking dodgy at the back. Hopefully this will be addressed before.

This will be interesting to see how SS handles it. Because unless we see an abysmal drop in form, we're going to be pretty assured of a playoff spot with some games to go. That will allow us to rest some players and hopefully get ACD back, but it will also not give us any of the momentum that other teams will have. 

23 minutes ago, desperado said:

Aye that’s a proper after the event call.

He’ll be another one of them with a magical formula that should be used to achieve 100% success every game.

SS after match comments talked about including a number 10 and that made sense. Rodrigues has been here a month working on his fitness and has had a great contribution from the bench a couple of times.

OK, it didn’t work out today, we could all come on here and say I wouldn’t have done that.

 

Indeed.

Either way we've seen Demps as the the 10 and it doesn't work. He's a 6 or 8 all day long so I've no idea why WW is even bringing him into the discussion.

It was Ruben in for Kenny today.

 

 

 

Edited March 14Mar 14 by gonzo

8 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Indeed.

Either way we've seen Demps as the the 10 and it doesn't work. He's a 6 or 8 all day long so I've no idea why WW is even bringing him into the discussion.

It was Ruben in for Kenny today.

 

 

 

I feel like Ruben would be more effective at home; Kenny away

Dempsey did well when he came on, but we’d changed shape somewhat by the time of his best moments, and with the knock on effect of Burstow looking lost for most of the final quarter.

Rodrigues more than earned his start and certainly is the front runner if persisting with a 10. 

3 hours ago, desperado said:

He assisted both goals and made a real impact. What more would you want from someone coming on as a second half sub? 

More than just a one off decent 25min

41 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Dempsey did well when he came on, but we’d changed shape somewhat by the time of his best moments, and with the knock on effect of Burstow looking lost for most of the final quarter.

Rodrigues more than earned his start and certainly is the front runner if persisting with a 10. 

I love Dempsey. I'd possibly have him in over EE if I'm being honest.

 

I wouldn't/couldn't care if I never see Thierry Gale in a Bolton shirt again.

Lazy, disinterested, terrible attitude and worse decision making.

1 minute ago, Traf said:

I wouldn't/couldn't care if I never see Thierry Gale in a Bolton shirt again.

Lazy, disinterested, terrible attitude and worse decision making.

Aye I can't stand the lad tbf.

Add greedy to the list as well.

 

With a bit more application, I reckon Gale could have had a hand in at least three goals in that last 20 minutes alone. I don’t think it’s necessarily a lack of passion, effort etc but just far too laid back for his own good. 

28 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I love Dempsey. I'd possibly have him in over EE if I'm being honest.

 

Both for me.

Toughen the middle.

Attacking set up around them.

EE probably had to go off today, having got a yellow 

1 minute ago, Leyther_Matt said:

With a bit more application, I reckon Gale could have had a hand in at least three goals in that last 20 minutes alone. I don’t think it’s necessarily a lack of passion, effort etc but just far too laid back for his own good. 

It ought to have been clear to him why he wasn't in the team and 45 minutes of watching CBT v Blackpool ought to have hammered home what's required. 

His efforts today showed him to be not bright enough to take any of that on board. 

16 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

It ought to have been clear to him why he wasn't in the team and 45 minutes of watching CBT v Blackpool ought to have hammered home what's required. 

His efforts today showed him to be not bright enough to take any of that on board. 

Yeah we said afterwards that it could have been very different if CBT could have stayed on.

Even an argument that Cissoko would have done better with the chances after his goal at Exeter. 

32 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

It ought to have been clear to him why he wasn't in the team and 45 minutes of watching CBT v Blackpool ought to have hammered home what's required. 

His efforts today showed him to be not bright enough to take any of that on board. 

Spot on. His decision making has been terrible. We don't know what he has been instructed to do but hugging the line when a positional run looks like to be a better option is something he doesn't seem to do. 

 

26 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Even an argument that Cissoko would have done better with the chances after his goal at Exeter. 

Behave.

2 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Dempsey did well when he came on, but we’d changed shape somewhat by the time of his best moments, and with the knock on effect of Burstow looking lost for most of the final quarter.

Rodrigues more than earned his start and certainly is the front runner if persisting with a 10. 

Certainly not writing Rodrigues off after a bad half (he's been good as a sub), but when fit the front runner for no 10, if its not Kenny, has to be McAtee.  In his couple of seasons here he's not had a half as quiet/poor as RR today and if he did he'd get slated for his "bad attitude".  He's our best in that position and hopefully he'll be back in good time for the play offs. 

3 hours ago, gonzo said:

Did you happen to mention this before the game?

We've seen Dempsey as the 10 before with Dalby and it didn't work. V Blackpool it was a shit show. Ruben earned a start and hasn't come to sit on the bench. We didn't conceed 2 because of him. 

 

Not to you Gonz but I did to others. Look clearly it’s down to opinions and whilst he did score against Wycombe he wasn’t great  otherwise and against Rotherham away my first thought would be compete and win the battles. You might think different and that’s ok.

1 hour ago, Traf said:

I wouldn't/couldn't care if I never see Thierry Gale in a Bolton shirt again.

Lazy, disinterested, terrible attitude and worse decision making.

He does my head in. Clearly has something but he will always opt for personal glory rather then setting a team mate up who's in a better position. It's something most grow out of when they're 14.

Kenny on the other hand is class. And puts the team first. Seems to always have time which is a sign of a good player

3 hours ago, desperado said:

Who are you suggesting hasn’t seen him play? Me or Schumacher? Genuine question.

Im presuming it’s me.

I don’t think many will. I hadn’t seen Kenny play, Simons, Burstow etc.

But based on the reasons they’d signed and doing a bit of reading/research about them I was keen to see them all play.

Same with Harrington. 

Not sure why having not seen him play, me or any fan isn’t keen to see them play and see how they fare.

How do you know he wouldn’t be better than Bonham? 

Managers pick and choose players and  change their minds on who should start and who has the all round game to contribute to success.

I’m not one of those lambasting Bonham, I’ve acknowledged his positive contribution and I won’t be criticising SS if he sticks with him (unless these errors he’s made become a habit),

But I don’t think it’s too wild a call to suggest we may see Harrington before the end of the season, especially when he comes with a good reputation/potential and Bonham has shown signs of fallibility. 

I agree with all of that.  It was just an immediate reaction to "I think we should play Harrington" or words to that effect, when for all we know he's another Crellin or Dixon or even TSL.  Its possible he's not quite as good as SS thought he'd be when he signed him.

Personally I don't think we'll see him barring injury, I think Bonham is the No.1 this season and SS was very patient with TSL, Bonham is clearly better.

Yes if we had a cup game, Harrington would get a game as Miller did, but we don't so he won't IMO.  I don't think SS will want to introduce that element of uncertainty so close to the play offs.

Fuckin scouser.