Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 Forget the match, just put Fat Sam and Garty in a ring in the middle of Ewood Park and let them slug it out. Once done they can go to the pub and reminisce about old times, and leave us to lay his ghost to rest and get on with the future...
bolty58 Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 Not really - shows he has a vastly over inflated sense of his worth to the history of this club. F?cking b0llocks - to you too Holly goodhead. Foweraker and Ridding eras were completely different. Semi professional at best. For Allardyce to achieve what he did in this modern era - where Premiership survival is the toughest challenge anywhere - was nothing short of miraculous. Sam is out in front by a mile - on a pedestal. Bolton legend.
RayVon Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 F?cking b0llocks - to you too Holly goodhead. Foweraker and Ridding eras were completely different. Semi professional at best. For Allardyce to achieve what he did in this modern era - where Premiership survival is the toughest challenge anywhere - was nothing short of miraculous.Sam is out in front by a mile - on a pedestal. Bolton legend. I personally think the same. Where he took us from and then to as to be the best achievement by a Bolton Manager. I think he as every right to be proud of it and point it out. Yes hes arrogant and a media whore but that doesnt bother me. Trips in europe, going to OT and winning two year on the bounce, FA semi and a league cup final are things that I wont forget. The way it eneded was sour but I dont think anyone should forget what he did. Having said that I wont be giving him a good reception tommorrow but neither will I be giving him stick. Im going to hopefully seeus take 3 points at the Dingles
Guest Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 F?cking b0llocks - to you too Holly goodhead. Foweraker and Ridding eras were completely different. Semi professional at best. For Allardyce to achieve what he did in this modern era - where Premiership survival is the toughest challenge anywhere - was nothing short of miraculous. Sam is out in front by a mile - on a pedestal. Bolton legend. Hmm Harder to win 3 FA Cups in a more evenly spread football universe v top 8 etc? I agree; with money now so dominant, it may be the greatest achievement by a Bolton boss, so well done, Sam. He'll be getting my bile tomorrow night, though.
smithills_gent Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) F?cking b0llocks - to you too Holly goodhead. Foweraker and Ridding eras were completely different. Semi professional at best. For Allardyce to achieve what he did in this modern era - where Premiership survival is the toughest challenge anywhere - was nothing short of miraculous. Sam is out in front by a mile - on a pedestal. Bolton legend. deluded There has only been one season when all 3 promoted teams got relegated from the Premier League.At least one newly promoted side stays up nearly every season.Did all those managers perform a miracle?Ipswich qualified for Europe the season after gaining promotion,Nottingham Forest did under Frank Clarke,Hull look like avoiding relegation and Leicester won 2 League Cups under O'Neill. To suggest Allardyce's achievement of finishing 6th- 8th fours seasons is better than winning 3 FA Cups is laughable Allardyce had his chance of achieving greatness at Bolton against Middlesbrough in Cardiff and he blew it.His team fooking choked on the day and it was Allardyce that prepared them.Remember the crap performance against Man City the week before when he rested players to try and get a cup win on his cv?Point being that winning a cup is better than finishing 6th -8th. Edited January 27, 2009 by smithills_gent
RayVon Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 deluded There has only been one season when all 3 promoted teams got relegated from the Premier League.At least one newly promoted side stays up nearly every season.Did all those managers perform a miracle?Ipswich qualified for Europe the season after gaining promotion,Nottingham Forest did under Frank Clarke,Hull look like avoiding relegation and Leicester won 2 League Cups under O'Neill. To suggest Allardyce's achievement of finishing 6th- 8th fours seasons is better than winning 3 FA Cups is laughable Allardyce had his chance of achieving greatness at Bolton against Middlesbrough in Cardiff and he blew it.His team fooking choked on the day and it was Allardyce that prepared them.Remember the crap performance against Man City the week before when he rested players to try and get a cup win on his cv?Point being that winning a cup is better than finishing 6th -8th. But got relegated playing in it. Allardyce built a squad to cope. Did you make the trips to Istanbul, Belgrade etc?? They are times I will never forget and unfortunately probably wont see again for years to come!!
smithills_gent Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 But got relegated playing in it. Allardyce built a squad to cope. Did you make the trips to Istanbul, Belgrade etc?? They are times I will never forget and unfortunately probably wont see again for years to come!! It could be said that Allardyce was quite lucky we survived the first season.We got 40 points, that same number of points got us relegated under Colin Todd. Europe was a good achievement,no getting away from that and the irony is that Megson did better than Allardyce in Europe. Allardyce's team couldn't defend a one goal lead at Marseille in the last 32,Megson got as far as the last 16.
RayVon Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 It could be said that Allardyce was quite lucky we survived the first season.We got 40 points, that same number of points got us relegated under Colin Todd.Europe was a good achievement,no getting away from that and the irony is that Megson did better than Allardyce in Europe. Allardyce's team couldn't defend a one goal lead at Marseille in the last 32,Megson got as far as the last 16. Are you trying to tell me Megson is a better Bolton Manager than Allardyce was??
tyldesley_white Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) in the last 32,Megson got as far as the last 16 In that fact it would seem so Edited January 27, 2009 by tyldesley_white
smithills_gent Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 Are you trying to tell me Megson is a better Bolton Manager than Allardyce was?? No,just pointing out a fact about Bolton's two European campaigns that doesn't get mentioned much.
Zico Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 It could be said that Allardyce was quite lucky we survived the first season.We got 40 points, that same number of points got us relegated under Colin Todd.Europe was a good achievement,no getting away from that and the irony is that Megson did better than Allardyce in Europe. Allardyce's team couldn't defend a one goal lead at Marseille in the last 32,Megson got as far as the last 16. good lord, could it? just to point out a few flaws in this logic, just because it's so blindingly sh?te and not because it's for points scoring between fat sam and megson we finished 4 points above ipswich, not that lucky we were even luckier then the season after when we got 4 more points on 44 but stayed up by less, 2, on the last day as for europe 1) the marseille game, 2 cast iron pens at home and a perfectly good goal disallowed away at 0-0 2) megson had less games in charge in europe as he wasn't there for the qualifiers against rabotnicki and didn't take charge officially v braga as it was his first or second day, so in fact played 3 less games still, if nothing else, it seems we're galvanising megon's support against rovers tomorrow
bolty58 Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 deluded There has only been one season when all 3 promoted teams got relegated from the Premier League.At least one newly promoted side stays up nearly every season.Did all those managers perform a miracle?Ipswich qualified for Europe the season after gaining promotion,Nottingham Forest did under Frank Clarke,Hull look like avoiding relegation and Leicester won 2 League Cups under O'Neill. To suggest Allardyce's achievement of finishing 6th- 8th fours seasons is better than winning 3 FA Cups is laughable Allardyce had his chance of achieving greatness at Bolton against Middlesbrough in Cardiff and he blew it.His team fooking choked on the day and it was Allardyce that prepared them.Remember the crap performance against Man City the week before when he rested players to try and get a cup win on his cv?Point being that winning a cup is better than finishing 6th -8th. I think, my friend, that you should have put 'deluded' at the end of your post - immediately under 'Regards' or ' Yours Faithfully'. The point being that staying in the Premiership in the noughties is a darn site harder than winning FA Cups in the twenties or, for that matter, the fifties. It seems that your strategy is to pick out single bad performances and use them as justification for Sam slagging? What a load of c'ock. Conveniently leaving out many good performances which produced two seasons in Europe and sustained Premier League football. Why don't you detractors simply say 'I'm bitter and twisted about Sam leaving us and I'm going to pick on every negative I can think of (brown papar bags, ego, our Craig, fat jowls, blah, blah fooking blah) to slag the guy'. We'd all understand then - it's honest, straightforward and acknowledges that he was, indeed, a great BWFC manager. As you mentioned Man City and Middlesbrough, I will counter with the following:- Okocha Marseille Djorkaeff Guimaraes Hierro Belgrade Lisbon Madrid Skopje Tell me any of that would have happened without Sam Allardyce and I'll be sure that your are the deluded fooker.
smithills_gent Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 I think, my friend, that you should have put 'deluded' at the end of your post - immediately under 'Regards' or ' Yours Faithfully'. The point being that staying in the Premiership in the noughties is a darn site harder than winning FA Cups in the twenties or, for that matter, the fifties.It seems that your strategy is to pick out single bad performances and use them as justification for Sam slagging? What a load of c'ock. Conveniently leaving out many good performances which produced two seasons in Europe and sustained Premier League football. Why don't you detractors simply say 'I'm bitter and twisted about Sam leaving us and I'm going to pick on every negative I can think of (brown papar bags, ego, our Craig, fat jowls, blah, blah fooking blah) to slag the guy'. We'd all understand then - it's honest, straightforward and acknowledges that he was, indeed, a great BWFC manager. As you mentioned Man City and Middlesbrough, I will counter with the following:- Okocha Marseille Djorkaeff Guimaraes Hierro Belgrade Lisbon Madrid Skopje Tell me any of that would have happened without Sam Allardyce and I'll be sure that your are the deluded fooker. By that reasoning Gary Megson is also a better manager than Foweraker and Ridding.Megson avoided relegation with West Brom once and Bolton once. In a league a 20 teams,17 don't get relegated every season and you think those managers are better than those who won the FA Cup in a previous era!! Allardyce has been sacked twice now.For losing in the play offs at Blackpool and playing negative mid table football at Newcastle. He lost in the play offs at Bolton but kept his job and played negative mid table football at Bolton but kept his job!!
Big_Girl_Oral_Explosion Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 F?cking b0llocks - to you too Holly goodhead. Foweraker and Ridding eras were completely different. Semi professional at best. For Allardyce to achieve what he did in this modern era - where Premiership survival is the toughest challenge anywhere - was nothing short of miraculous. Sam is out in front by a mile - on a pedestal. Bolton legend. What the man said!
Big_Girl_Oral_Explosion Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 By that reasoning Gary Megson is also a better manager than Foweraker and Ridding.Megson avoided relegation with West Brom once and Bolton once.In a league a 20 teams,17 don't get relegated every season and you think those managers are better than those who won the FA Cup in a previous era!! Allardyce has been sacked twice now.For losing in the play offs at Blackpool and playing negative mid table football at Newcastle. He lost in the play offs at Bolton but kept his job and played negative mid table football at Bolton but kept his job!! You are deluded in your bitterness, even to the point of making up facts. Your whole argument above is based upon Megson keeping West Brom up once in the Premier. I think you will find that was Bryan Robson. Meggo failed miserably. What have Newcastle exactly being doing under several managers during the last 10 years barring Bobby Robson? BTW how many times has Megson been sacked?
desperado Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 I personally think the same. Where he took us from and then to as to be the best achievement by a Bolton Manager. I think he as every right to be proud of it and point it out. Yes hes arrogant and a media whore but that doesnt bother me. Trips in europe, going to OT and winning two year on the bounce, FA semi and a league cup final are things that I wont forget.The way it eneded was sour but I dont think anyone should forget what he did. Having said that I wont be giving him a good reception tommorrow but neither will I be giving him stick. Im going to hopefully seeus take 3 points at the Dingles Sums up my thoughts pretty much word for word. MOVE ON. COME ON YOU WHITEMEN LETS STUFF THEM DINGLES TONIGHT!
YATESY Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 We all have moved on, as has the man Fat Sam points the finger at again and again. I haven't heard Gartside mention a thing in the media about this since Fat Sam left the club. The only noises coming out of The Reebok this week have been from Megson praising the work and achievements of the club under Sam. It seems to be only one side of this 'fall-out' who has raised the matter in the run up to tonights game!! The easy solution is to remember the good times under his management of our great club but move on.
Guest Firthy Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 We all have moved on, as has the man Fat Sam points the finger at again and again. I haven't heard Gartside mention a thing in the media about this since Fat Sam left the club. The only noises coming out of The Reebok this week have been from Megson praising the work and achievements of the club under Sam. It seems to be only one side of this 'fall-out' who has raised the matter in the run up to tonights game!! The problem there is, neither Walrus-features nor Gartside have any control over what the media print. I find it a bit tedious when people get slagged off based on a few quotes. The media can create any story they want, all they have to do is pick the most inflammatory sentence from an interview and run with it.
mickbrown Posted January 28, 2009 Author Posted January 28, 2009 F?cking b0llocks - to you too Holly goodhead. Foweraker and Ridding eras were completely different. Semi professional at best. For Allardyce to achieve what he did in this modern era - where Premiership survival is the toughest challenge anywhere - was nothing short of miraculous. Sam is out in front by a mile - on a pedestal. Bolton legend. And fooking bollox to you too skippy. Doesn't matter when they did what they did - they won stuff. Suppose Shankly, Busby and Ramsey were shit managers because it was in black and white. Utter nonsense.
Northern White Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 Well, you have to see Megson's comments on Big Sam to see the dignity of the guy. Maybe Sam needs to learn a few things about modesty.
Gumbo Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 or maybe forget about the fat fuck and concentrate on supporting the team...
bolty58 Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) And fooking bollox to you too skippy. Doesn't matter when they did what they did - they won stuff. Suppose Shankly, Busby and Ramsey were shit managers because it was in black and white. Utter nonsense. You are being utterly stupid and I expect better from you. Unarguable that Shankly, Busby and Ramsey were absolute legends of the game and some of the best managers of all time. Once again, it is questionable whether they would have been so successful in todays pressure cooker. We'll never know, will we? All this guff from you and that daft fcuker from Smithills is superfluous. Get to the real reason why you want to pour scorn on our former (superb) manager. You are f?cked off because he left. Don't bother answering because your politics mean you must have a predilection to tell porkies. Skippy? How original. Never heard that one before Edited January 28, 2009 by bolty58
YATESY Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 Anyhow, when is a caller to 606 or Radio Manchester going to tell the nation that Fat Sam was giving Gartside's wife one (alledgedly ofcourse!!)??
mickbrown Posted January 28, 2009 Author Posted January 28, 2009 You are being utterly stupid and I expect better from you. Unarguable that Shankly, Busby and Ramsey were absolute legends of the game and some of the best managers of all time. Once again, it is questionable whether they would have been so successful in todays pressure cooker. We'll never know, will we? All this guff from you and that daft fcuker from Smithills is superfluous. Get to the real reason why you want to pour scorn on our former (superb) manager. You are f?cked off because he left. Don't bother answering because your politics mean you must have a predilection to tell porkies. Skippy? How original. Never heard that one before What a pile of dingo shit. I'm not pouring scorn on him, I'm just pointing out he's not as good as he'd have us believe. Fact remains he's won fook all. Steve McClaren achieved more at Boro. Is he a legend of the game?
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