HomerJay Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 But, as I said in my tonge-in-cheek previous post. If Klasnic coming off early means he takes part on Tuesday, great. If playing through the pain barrier means having to miss the Tuesday night game, you're talking through your arse! note the speech marks micky, you plum
Rembrandt Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 No but a big step in the right direction which is what is needed at the mo Only if it's carried forward into the next 5 games, at least. Let's hope they take the game to the Hammers from the first minute in the same way, with much the same team, but tightening up the defending. We need to build performance by performance ....... not fall back into bad habits.
Casino Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) we conceded 3 but it was nowt to do with systems and tactics just rank bad play/decision making first goal, knight and muamba - bit of bad luck with the clip off cohen...nice to see 3 of em trying to block it, though second goal, looks to me cahill loses ireland, taylor lets richards go, robinson left exposed against two for a moment third goal, steinnson Edited December 13, 2009 by Casino
MickyD Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 note the speech marks micky, you plum Sorry, I may be having a dumb moment here but I don't get it. . . you damson!
Arnold Jackson Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) It was obvious how much the players were trying yesterday and I was proud to cheer them on ... enjoyed the game and wasn't expecting to. Think we deserved the 3 points and would have got 'em but for Tevez, who worked just as hard as our players and coupled with his talent he rescued the game for them! I know I'm like a cracked record with my predictable opinions on players but this being a football forum I think this is the place to give them. I feel better keep typing the negative ones rather than complain about them at the match I think Klasnic is a far better footballer than his number of first team starts so far have suggested. I hope I'm right in thinking now that Gary has given up on Elmander ever being the player we desperately hoped he would be and starts with Klasnic whenever he can walk onto the pitch! Opinion is always gonna be divided about Muamba but in the end I have to conclude that his passing and shooting is worse than 50% of the people who post on here... yes it is that bad... question is will this ever change? I don't think so. For me, reluctantly, I think we need at least basic distribution skills from a ball winner. Massive shame cos there can be no doubt he's one of the best at what he's good at. He proved both yesterday. We need another partner for Cahill. Zat Knight for me is the reason I question whether Gary Megson is taking us forward. He's not an improvement and as with most of his signings, the more he has paid for them the worse they are! On a positive note Chung Yung Lee is a fantastic aquisition. If we'd paid the combined fee's of Knight, Muamba and Elmander on him I'd still think we'd got a bargain. Yesterday he was my MOTM and he will just get better and better. I was worried he'd be lightweight or his awareness of what's happeneing around him may be a bit like David Lee... but his passing yesterday was sublime! Add to that the form of Cohen, who didn't cost much and I'm hopeful the team can still give us something to cheer this season. Edited December 13, 2009 by Arnold Jackson
Carlos Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 if muamba could pass......... he wouldn't be playing for us, he'probably still be at arsenal? Very possibly, I'll give you that. As he was at Arsenal and still can't pass or pass and move then I doubt he'll acquire it from our top class coaches.
MickyD Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 Is it his passing that is woeful or his decision making when he has more than one option? Once or twice yesterday he made the wrong 50-50 decision.
Carlos Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 Is it his passing that is woeful or his decision making when he has more than one option? Once or twice yesterday he made the wrong 50-50 decision. I thought the ball to Davies was the right option but he overhit it dreadfully. The ball back from our corner that lead to the City attack they scored their 3rd equaliser from was a shocking decision. Could have had us 4-2 up.
MickyD Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 The pundit on Match choice last night said it was a slip in front of goal by Muamba. I thought he just failed to close Tevez down quick enough.
Arnold Jackson Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) Is it his passing that is woeful or his decision making when he has more than one option? Once or twice yesterday he made the wrong 50-50 decision. I think what he lacks is a natural ability to strike the ball with differing weights, directions instinctively, without needing to think or compose yourself. In that way you are able to concentrate your whole mind to the decision making, timing of pass or shot. He's probably making bad decisions cos his confidence in the execution at such huge pressure moments is clouding things. Edited December 13, 2009 by Arnold Jackson
HomerJay Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 I think what he lacks is a natural ability to strike the ball with differing weights, directions instinctively, without needing to think or compose yourself. In that way you are able to concentrate your whole mind to the decision making, timing of pass or shot. He's probably making bad decisions cos his confidence in the execution at such huge pressure moments is clouding things. totally agree, you can see his brain whirring when he has to pass the ball. dont think its all down to ability though, a lot wll to be do with confidence and being scared of giving the ball away.
Guest Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 totally agree, you can see his brain whirring when he has to pass the ball. dont think its all down to ability though, a lot wll to be do with confidence and being scared of giving the ball away. I think that dreadful miss at OT last year still troubles him. Once he scores, he'll be flying; get's up & down well
MickyD Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 Problem is, you can be the classiest player in the world behind closed doors but if you can't handle the pressure of doing it in front of a few thousand of your sponsors then it's curtains. I sometimes wonder if that was Vaz Te's problem.
Guest Biff Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 In the pre season friendlies at Doncaster last season and Hearts this, Muamba's shooting was spot on. Perhaps he should treat all games as friendlies.
HomerJay Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 something like this is where allardyce would have excelled imo, he'd have had muamba hypnotised or sommit so he couldnt see the crowd. megson probably tells him to stop being a mard arse and get on with it.
jolly-olly Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 I didn't expect a point so I am really pleased. We should have put the game to bed though when we had the chances at 3-2 and with them down to ten men. I hope Klasnic doesn't have a muscle pull and it's just a knock or tiredness that forced him off. He needs to start against West Ham along with Davies. I think we will get the three points on Tuesday. We need to go at them. I just hope I don't see a drastic change in yesterdays starting eleven. Oh and Robinson really surprised me. He let SWP know he was there and hammered him so he had to be taken off. I thought that City looked better with Ireland on though. He is a class player and I wish Muamba had his compusure and passing ability.
John Thomas Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 He went and had a word with megson, who then sends Elmo to warm up, next time the game stops he comes off, doesn't take a genuis to work out it was nowt to do with negativity or a superior knowledge, just a case of watching the game. Fair enough Frank, i didn't see that from the gods in the East Stand Upper . Then it was a sensible substitution and i take my comments back.
YATESY Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 The strength of Muambi was sandwiched between those two examples of his weaknesses perfectly. He sniffed the uncertainy in Kompany's touch and had the ball knicked off him before he realised what had happened. As has been said earlier, if he was the complete player who had scored 2 minutes earlier or played a perfect pass to Davies 20 seconds later - then he would never have been allowed to leave Arsenal at a give away price.
Ani Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 The strength of Muambi was sandwiched between those two examples of his weaknesses perfectly. He sniffed the uncertainy in Kompany's touch and had the ball knicked off him before he realised what had happened. As has been said earlier, if he was the complete player who had scored 2 minutes earlier or played a perfect pass to Davies 20 seconds later - then he would never have been allowed to leave Arsenal at a give away price. Muamba can do a job he is excelllent at pressing their players, however the ball to SKD was a real kids level pass, I think it is confidence rather than ability.
Guest Frandsen08 Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 muamba cant pass water, and we should have a day of celebration when muamba scores in a competitive match for bolton
Casino Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 when he played in the summer he did much more than destroy his passing was more than adequate
frank_spencer Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 Muamba can do a job he is excelllent at pressing their players, however the ball to SKD was a real kids level pass, I think it is confidence rather than ability. whilst the pass to Davies was heavy, Kev didn't Fabrice out by falling over that made it look much worse than it was. that 'shot' from muamba was one of the worst i've seen since Holdsworth! 3 points from the spammers and i'll be a happy bunny once more.
Guest Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 Muamba can do a job he is excelllent at pressing their players, however the ball to SKD was a real kids level pass, I think it is confidence rather than ability. In which case, he has to carry on playing
jayjayoghani Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 In which case, he has to carry on playing And fans playing their part too
Carlos Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 Apparently the City fans were singing "stand full of virgins". They have a point, yoof yoof yoof.
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