People seem to think it's funny as all that's been posted about it are jokes. That's pretty fucked up in my book but hey ho.

 

An estimated 45,000-50,000 people dead, with many more facing an uncertain future. Is there anything we can do? And should we bother? All the charities are fucking loaded anyway, hardly any cash would get to those in need. Should we just be making up jokes or should our humanity mean we should at least consider helping out in some small way?

Edited January 15, 201016 yr by Carlos

we don't know

 

 

from an intellectual perspective, it would have been interesting to see

 

Tis a fair point, the problem is, did anyone really want to take the risk and see how fucked up we really could become?

what gets me, is it takes a disaster plastered all over the media before many people decide to become charitable.

 

yes its related to media attention but bare a thought for ongoing issues much closer to home.

 

http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/

 

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/

My real worry here is just how much the carbon footprint of all the aid planes is going to amount to. I know people are dying, but we mustn't risk disprupting our harmonious existance with Mother Earth...

My real worry here is just how much the carbon footprint of all the aid planes is going to amount to. I know people are dying, but we mustn't risk disprupting our harmonious existance with Mother Earth...

 

 

has mother earth joinned the bnp ?

Just watching the news, apparently 40,000 people have already been buried, and they think there could be another 160,000 dead - it's incredible really. Heaven only knows how many the final toll will be. Tragic really

athy, looks to me like theres a range of opinion left on the thread......

 

we could use another mod

 

are you volunteering?

 

No, I'm not volunteering Casino, me and IT don't get on, I wouldn't do your 'job' for a gold pig, I enjoy coming on here and expressing an opinion, isn't that what it's for.

 

By 'job' I mean moderating a site for free and all that

Fuck that, the purpose of the thread changed once Sluffy put his post in. I changed the title, pinned it and deleted everything that wandered way off topic, utterly meaningless posts, jokes, people disagreeing with jokes etc. I left all the opinion in but the purpose of the thread changed. Some people are only to eager to have a dig.

 

Carlos, I appreciate what you are sayin, but, I have never had a dig at you or any other moderator/admin on this site, I merely posted my opinion, you 'cleaned' the thread up, that is your perogative as an admin, I did not think that I had wandered way off topic.

Just watching the news, apparently 40,000 people have already been buried, and they think there could be another 160,000 dead - it's incredible really. Heaven only knows how many the final toll will be. Tragic really

 

The awful magnitude of that also indicates how difficult dealing with it is on the part of aid agencies etc. And this is my one complaint - there's a tendency for news reports to imply that because precious little seems to be being done then someone is at fault. This is a common thing nowadays - the assumption is that we can sort anything out, anything is technologically possible and that failing just represents laziness. Trouble is, failing often just means the problem is fucking hard. And as I alluded to earlier, there's this underlying assumption that nature can never be to blame. Well, I'm sorry, but nature is a cunt.

By way of example - many on this board will remember that on March 23rd 1989 we beat Crewe to secure an Associate Members Cup semi against Blackpool - which of course we won and went on to beat Torquay in a memorable piss up at Wembley. What most probably don't realise is that 2 days later the earth was 6 hours from collision with asteroid 4581 Asclepius, the result of which would, in the words of wiki, have resulted an impact the equivalent to one Hiroshima-sized atomic bomb detonating every second for 50 days. 6 hours away we were.

So things happen and its up to us to make the best response we can. But in extremis that response will be limited, with - quite literally - the best will in the world.

as I alluded to earlier, there's this underlying assumption that nature can never be to blame. Well, I'm sorry, but nature is a cunt.

Indeed it is, the Tsunami a few years ago showed that, as did this earthquake a few dyas ago. By all accounts, within a few hundred years, we coculd be looking at a whopper hitting California, naturally they have buildings designed to withstand earthquakes, but many are expected to die......of course this event could happen next week, or never!

 

Nature is a powerful thing, and has proven this all through the history of the earth, it'll continue to act as it's always done. We happen to be lucky that we happen to be in a geographically "stable" place at the minute

Edited January 15, 201016 yr by CWP

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Carlos, I appreciate what you are sayin, but, I have never had a dig at you or any other moderator/admin on this site, I merely posted my opinion, you 'cleaned' the thread up, that is your perogative as an admin, I did not think that I had wandered way off topic.

 

No, but as I've already explained; once Sluffy posted the details of someone who could actually help then it took on a new purpose, hence I removed all the other posts that detracted from that. I'm not at all happy that you questioned my motivation for doing that.

Still, at least someone has finally workd out why it happened

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/20...with-devil.html

People seem to think it's funny as all that's been posted about it are jokes. That's pretty fucked up in my book but hey ho.

 

Opinion on the Deadpool thread then? People making fun out of death?

Still, at least someone has finally workd out why it happened

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/20...with-devil.html

 

It's all linked to Global Warming.... Danny Glover told me.

?What happened in Haiti could happen to anywhere in the Caribbean because all these island nations are in peril because of global warming.?

 

?When we see what we did at the climate summit in Copenhagen, this is the response, this is what happens, you know what I?m saying? We have to act now!?

 

Edited January 16, 201016 yr by Mixu

Opinion on the Deadpool thread then? People making fun out of death?

 

Perfectly acceptable IMO, I've defended this before.

 

The difference is that humour used to be a way to deal with grief or shock, now people seem to actually find stuff like this genuinely funny and not actually give a fuck.

Thought this might help to show more of an understanding of the human tradgedy in Haiti - taken from the thread in BA.

 

...it's ok sitting in the warmth of your home with family surrounding you,it's easy to overlook the needs of others,but to see the devastation next door to you makes me very emotional towards them,I have friends here that are Haitian,and cannot get in contact with their families,can you even begin to understand their feelings...

 

Fact is access to the disaster site is hindered by rubble,all flights now are being diverted to either Puerto Plata,and Santo Domingo,however once aid arrives it's virtually impossible to get it through.

 

Next Tuesday we have 150 medical staff arriving from the USA, France, Canada and Mexico in Port-au-Prince (with busses lined up to take them over to Haiti).

 

It is still not certain that more aftershocks will further destabilise the country,and on top of that soaring temperatures with little or no water they will suffer severe dehydration,I and other colleagues have started a collection,much of which will be sent to Haiti so far we have reached $4000.00 dollars,and in the grand scheme of things might not be a lot, but will mean a hell of a lot to the Hatians.

 

Please don't turn a blind eye help as much as you can.

 

 

Martin - if we get a clothes collection together next week at work and send it through to you, how will you get it to Haiti and what exactly will happen to it?

 

...assume a clothes collection would be useful?

 

 

there's a daily run from Puerto Plata to the Haitian border,and the American red cross are at the border,trucks after truck arrive and depart every minute to take aid over to port-au-prince,it's supposedly a difficult route but getting better due to the efforts of the US army in clearing the roads of rubble.

 

And anything is useful

They need that Haitian fella to do his shit with the hand.

It has probably been mentioned before on this thread: (I can't be arsed reading it to be honest, because I've got a pretty good idea of who will have posted on it and pretty much what they'll have said), but there are people closer to home who need help, but the country seems to spring into action when its foreigners needing aid.

 

There are hundreds of thousands of genuinely poor/destitute people in our own country, but we're doing little/fuck all to help them.

Spoke to my in-laws next door neighbour last night, his son is one of the firemen in Haiti helping with the search. Tom spoke to lad Martin on Friday and I thought some of you may appreciate this.

 

It sounds horrific.

 

It doesn't help that America are attempting to turn Haiti into the 51st state!

 

 

Like a lot of inbound flights the plane carrying the British firefighters had to land in the Dominican Republic after hours of waiting for permission to land in Haiti. Due to the lads having to fly in a smaller plane from Bournemouth, due to the weather closing Gatwick, their equipment was following on. As of Friday last week, the Americans were still refusing to release vehicles to collect the vital equipment that our lads had brought over from the UK. So, they have been left using basic tools and their hands to dig through the buildings.

 

The delayed equipment also included their tents, food, medical gear - everything. So all they have is their own bags and the food and clothing they packed themselves. This has left them bedding down on whatever piece of open ground they can find, grabbing a few hours sleep before another 20+ hour day starts. To add to the open-air sleeping experience, when they wake after just a few hours kip they are covered in the local tarantula spiders!

 

This is all whilst America have claimed 40% of the airport for themselves and are trying to manage the situation as their own.

 

As for the rescue efforts, it appears the British, French and Aussies are the leaders in their skills, patience and knowledge. The American version is to send in the heavy equipment, shift the top layers of collapsed buildings with a bulldozer and then start searching by hand. Their attitude being that they might miss a few survivers in the top layers but they get to the more likely areas quicker!

 

 

The lads are doing a superb job - wish them well!

As for the rescue efforts, it appears the British, French and Aussies are the leaders in their skills, patience and knowledge. The American version is to send in the heavy equipment, shift the top layers of collapsed buildings with a bulldozer and then start searching by hand. Their attitude being that they might miss a few survivers in the top layers but they get to the more likely areas quicker!

 

The lads are doing a superb job - wish them well!

 

Strange then, that many of the UK Search & Rescue folk have travelled to the Texas Engineering Extension Service Urban Search And Rescue establishment to learn from the yanks who, let's face it, have more call on a decent S&R team than we ever will.

Spoke to my in-laws next door neighbour last night, his son is one of the firemen in Haiti helping with the search. Tom spoke to lad Martin on Friday and I thought some of you may appreciate this.

 

It sounds horrific.

 

It doesn't help that America are attempting to turn Haiti into the 51st state!

 

 

Like a lot of inbound flights the plane carrying the British firefighters had to land in the Dominican Republic after hours of waiting for permission to land in Haiti. Due to the lads having to fly in a smaller plane from Bournemouth, due to the weather closing Gatwick, their equipment was following on. As of Friday last week, the Americans were still refusing to release vehicles to collect the vital equipment that our lads had brought over from the UK. So, they have been left using basic tools and their hands to dig through the buildings.

 

The delayed equipment also included their tents, food, medical gear - everything. So all they have is their own bags and the food and clothing they packed themselves. This has left them bedding down on whatever piece of open ground they can find, grabbing a few hours sleep before another 20+ hour day starts. To add to the open-air sleeping experience, when they wake after just a few hours kip they are covered in the local tarantula spiders!

 

This is all whilst America have claimed 40% of the airport for themselves and are trying to manage the situation as their own.

 

As for the rescue efforts, it appears the British, French and Aussies are the leaders in their skills, patience and knowledge. The American version is to send in the heavy equipment, shift the top layers of collapsed buildings with a bulldozer and then start searching by hand. Their attitude being that they might miss a few survivers in the top layers but they get to the more likely areas quicker!

 

 

The lads are doing a superb job - wish them well!

 

What's immediately west of Haiti?

Strange then, that many of the UK Search & Rescue folk have travelled to the Texas Engineering Extension Service Urban Search And Rescue establishment to learn from the yanks who, let's face it, have more call on a decent S&R team than we ever will.

 

 

Sounds like the classic "do-as-we-say, not do-as-we-as-do"

 

 

Martin was saying that most of the non-American S&R teams are working together but the Americans are law unto themselves.

Spoke to my in-laws next door neighbour last night, his son is one of the firemen in Haiti helping with the search. Tom spoke to lad Martin on Friday and I thought some of you may appreciate this.

 

It sounds horrific.

 

It doesn't help that America are attempting to turn Haiti into the 51st state!

 

 

Like a lot of inbound flights the plane carrying the British firefighters had to land in the Dominican Republic after hours of waiting for permission to land in Haiti. Due to the lads having to fly in a smaller plane from Bournemouth, due to the weather closing Gatwick, their equipment was following on. As of Friday last week, the Americans were still refusing to release vehicles to collect the vital equipment that our lads had brought over from the UK. So, they have been left using basic tools and their hands to dig through the buildings.

 

The delayed equipment also included their tents, food, medical gear - everything. So all they have is their own bags and the food and clothing they packed themselves. This has left them bedding down on whatever piece of open ground they can find, grabbing a few hours sleep before another 20+ hour day starts. To add to the open-air sleeping experience, when they wake after just a few hours kip they are covered in the local tarantula spiders!

 

This is all whilst America have claimed 40% of the airport for themselves and are trying to manage the situation as their own.

 

As for the rescue efforts, it appears the British, French and Aussies are the leaders in their skills, patience and knowledge. The American version is to send in the heavy equipment, shift the top layers of collapsed buildings with a bulldozer and then start searching by hand. Their attitude being that they might miss a few survivers in the top layers but they get to the more likely areas quicker!

 

 

The lads are doing a superb job - wish them well!

 

They are not on holiday for god's sake, they're flying in more aid and troops than anyone else. The American response has been very fast and I don't think anyone can criticize them for their efforts.

Bono is doing a benefit gig. Have they not suffered enough?

They are not on holiday for god's sake, they're flying in more aid and troops than anyone else. The American response has been very fast and I don't think anyone can criticize them for their efforts.

 

you mean "criticise"?

They are not on holiday for god's sake, they're flying in more aid and troops than anyone else. The American response has been very fast and I don't think anyone can criticize them for their efforts.

you mean "criticise"?

 

They're Americans being discussed. Criticized is fine.