July 15, 20233 yr 18 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: Climate scientists right left and centre are saying our targets need to be ramped up. Every previous incident of global warming in the history of this planet had led to a mass extinction of species. Some with much less carbon released than the levels we’re seeing today. Once we head over 2 degrees we really are in serious trouble. Covid showed what can be done when it needs to be. Credit to the changes that have happened already. Much more needs to be done and faster. In regards to emissions and biodiversity loss. Covid also showed that such things are quite expensive. I’m with you on the facts, I’m with you on the moral argument. But there’s simply no way we can spend that sort of money without people having to make the sort of sacrifices that are frankly unthinkable. The reality is that we’re a selfish species, riddled with lunatics and hellbent on repeating past mistakes. The biggest problem is convincing people how bad it really is. If you can’t see the problem that Europe is suffocating beneath a relentless sun, Canada is literally on fire, whilst the UK sulks beneath a bruise-coloured ceiling of floating misery, then you’re unlikely to rip your gas boiler off the wall on Monday and buy a heat pump. We just have to hope the changes being made are soon enough.
July 15, 20233 yr 3 minutes ago, Spider said: Covid also showed that such things are quite expensive. I’m with you on the facts, I’m with you on the moral argument. But there’s simply no way we can spend that sort of money without people having to make the sort of sacrifices that are frankly unthinkable. The reality is that we’re a selfish species, riddled with lunatics and hellbent on repeating past mistakes. The biggest problem is convincing people how bad it really is. If you can’t see the problem that Europe is suffocating beneath a relentless sun, Canada is literally on fire, whilst the UK sulks beneath a bruise-coloured ceiling of floating misery, then you’re unlikely to rip your gas boiler off the wall on Monday and buy a heat pump. We just have to hope the changes being made are soon enough. It’s interesting the sacrifices that people make, particularly with Covid. For all the rule breakers in the news, the reality is that the majority of people made huge sacrifices to their own mental health and wellbeing to protect the vulnerable. It was astonishing really. Human nature, for all its faults, is good. Take Lord of the Flies, when that scenario played out in the real world, they actually ended up looking out for each other. I’m going too deep, but you started it 😄 Just driven across the central belt to Edinburgh. It’s littered with wind turbines, they are beautiful. Why aren’t they in England? There is so much more that can be done, that doesn’t cost the Earth, that the Tories have been blocking to protect their voters and rich mates. Same goes for the SNP too. We don’t need to licenses for oil and gas, there is enough in the existing ones to get us to through the transition. Yet Shell threaten to leave and we all bend over backwards for them. Wales - Sheep farming benefits less than 0.04% GDP, yet takes up 80+ % of land and decimates biodiversity and carbon capture. there is so much we can be doing that we haven’t, that is financially realistic now! I’m with you that the problem is convincing people how bad it really is. It’s a huge task. And that starts with our politicians telling people that our ecosystems and civilisations and will start to collapse when we accelerate past 2degrees. Maybe then people will support things like a flight tax etc. But right now, it honestly looks like it is way down on Rishi’s priorities.
July 15, 20233 yr 27 minutes ago, Spider said: The reality is that we’re a selfish species, riddled with lunatics and hellbent on repeating past mistakes. I've thought this for a long time We won't make significant changes until we're gorced to, and it might then be too late
July 15, 20233 yr 10 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: It’s interesting the sacrifices that people make, particularly with Covid. For all the rule breakers in the news, the reality is that the majority of people made huge sacrifices to their own mental health and wellbeing to protect the vulnerable. It was astonishing really. Human nature, for all its faults, is good. Take Lord of the Flies, when that scenario played out in the real world, they actually ended up looking out for each other. I’m going too deep, but you started it 😄 Just driven across the central belt to Edinburgh. It’s littered with wind turbines, they are beautiful. Why aren’t they in England? There is so much more that can be done, that doesn’t cost the Earth, that the Tories have been blocking to protect their voters and rich mates. Same goes for the SNP too. We don’t need to licenses for oil and gas, there is enough in the existing ones to get us to through the transition. Yet Shell threaten to leave and we all bend over backwards for them. Wales - Sheep farming benefits less than 0.04% GDP, yet takes up 80+ % of land and decimates biodiversity and carbon capture. there is so much we can be doing that we haven’t, that is financially realistic now! I’m with you that the problem is convincing people how bad it really is. It’s a huge task. And that starts with our politicians telling people that our ecosystems and civilisations and will start to collapse when we accelerate past 2degrees. Maybe then people will support things like a flight tax etc. But right now, it honestly looks like it is way down on Rishi’s priorities. It’s costly and the benefits aren’t people ending up with better cars and more holidays, so it’s a tough sell. Unfortunately it would take something genuinely catastrophic to make people actually get on board en masse. All we can do is legislate against fossil fuels. The government are spending billions giving lots of people free heating upgrades to heat pumps and solar. Well, they’ve made billions available but aren’t pushing hard enough (IMO) to get people making use of it. I think we know why that is…
July 15, 20233 yr 4 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Utter bollocks that. Really can do better. But yes, fossil fuels must go as quickly as possible: that may well mean no flights to Spain. 🤔 It's not bollocks, we're a mile behind the rest of Europe with regards to solar and energy storage. And as Spider says, we really are a million miles away with regards to heat pumps Edited July 15, 20233 yr by Sweep
July 15, 20233 yr Folks are confusing weather with climate. my app says drizzle, but a lovely, breezy, British, summer’s day. So far.
July 15, 20233 yr Author 35 minutes ago, globaldiver said: Folks are confusing weather with climate. my app says drizzle, but a lovely, breezy, British, summer’s day. So far. Every single year we break the hottest recorded temperature. Its currently 45c in Spain. Thats not tricky weather its the planet heating up at a rapid rate.
July 15, 20233 yr 10 minutes ago, gonzo said: Every single year we break the hottest recorded temperature. Its currently 45c in Spain. Thats not tricky weather its the planet heating up at a rapid rate. I’m surprised you even bothered to be honest 😂 No idea where to begin with the previous post. Edited July 15, 20233 yr by London Wanderer
July 15, 20233 yr 50 minutes ago, globaldiver said: Folks are confusing weather with climate. my app says drizzle, but a lovely, breezy, British, summer’s day. So far. No they aren't Anyway, splendid weather here today in the shires, a bit windy, but glorious blue sky and barely a cloud to be seen
July 15, 20233 yr 54 minutes ago, globaldiver said: Folks are confusing weather with climate. my app says drizzle, but a lovely, breezy, British, summer’s day. So far. 7 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: I’m surprised you even bothered to be honest 😂 No idea where to begin with the previous post.
July 15, 20233 yr 13 minutes ago, Zico said: You could laugh about it if these kind of bonkers views weren’t influencing current policies.
July 15, 20233 yr 27 minutes ago, Sweep said: No they aren't Anyway, splendid weather here today in the shires, a bit windy, but glorious blue sky and barely a cloud to be seen I spoke too soon, it's now absolutely pissing it down 😊
July 15, 20233 yr Anyway, i hate this sun rain sun rain shit Looks like its rain rain rain rain rest of day which is even worse
July 15, 20233 yr Author 23 minutes ago, Casino said: Anyway, i hate this sun rain sun rain shit Looks like its rain rain rain rain rest of day which is even worse Doing my head in. Keep threatening to pack up and then it comes sunny so its back out 🤦♂️
July 15, 20233 yr 46 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: Good washing day today, blowing up a right good old breeze. Not in Chester. Absolute monsoon on the walk to the ground.
July 15, 20233 yr 18 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said: Not in Chester. Absolute monsoon on the walk to the ground. Thats the one we had at 150 or the one we are having now
July 16, 20233 yr Summer is always hot Dunno what the issue is its raining and windy here so it’s clearly just Europeans having a moan
July 16, 20233 yr Author 24 minutes ago, Spider said: Summer is always hot Dunno what the issue is its raining and windy here so it’s clearly just Europeans having a moan Finally a brexit bonus 🙌
July 16, 20233 yr On 15/07/2023 at 12:52, Sweep said: No they aren't Anyway, splendid weather here today in the shires, a bit windy, but glorious blue sky and barely a cloud to be seen Twas proper grim up north.. really is a shite climate NW of England. Mid July and it was wet, cold and breezy.
July 16, 20233 yr 17 hours ago, Traf said: Freezing here, heating was on yesterday. Same for me last night came back from watching lad play, was frozen and had to chuck on the heating.
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