Justice

[Pablo]

It was to find out if there was a cover up, and there was. as now proved......statements were changed by police ffs !!!

 

They took blood from the dead, even kids to try and create some sort of 'Proof' that it was their own fault.

 

Like scousers or not, that is dusgusting !!!!

[HomerJay]

thought i covered the cover up part with point 3?

 

and i thought the scouser were after the whole truth?

Edited September 12, 2012 by HomerJay

[EyesRight]

What I can't understand is why the police ordered "Gate C" to be opened to reduce the crush outside the ground.

 

That's bullshit. They would never have done that. They would have just told the fans where to go.

 

Any fan who pushed into the ground without a valid ticket has blood on their hands IMO.

[Pablo]

That is part of the truth. We all know fans get drunk at matches.

 

But you simply can not argue with te facts that have come out, a complete cover up.

 

The fight for Justice has just started, as the 'Reasons for death' need to be officially changed.

[Pablo]

Maybe the PM should have consulted you lot, before speaking earlier.

[Ani]

Back in the day you were branded a criminal by just being a football fan, not being snotty but people below a certain age can have no idea how fans could be treated.

 

The fact is that at that time a lot of football fans behaved in a way that meant this treatment was ignored.

 

When people talk about the magic of Burnden and a lot of the old grounds and you see ends packed with a sea of humanity you can also see that it was inevitable that something bad would happen. The fact it was so bad was the only surprise.

 

So you can argue that fans played a part in this, because if they were nt there it would nt have happene and a lot were not innocent bystanders in that they contributed to the events, but the people whose job it was to look after the safety and well being of people in the ground failed in that duty. Then to make matters worse they tried to pass the blame onto others and cover up evidence of their own faults. It is this fact that matters nothing else.

 

You can argue the fans are in denial about their role but they have not covered up evidence, altered statements etc etc. It is not about blame it is is about justice and the truth, maybe we will now see that.

Edited September 12, 2012 by Ani

[Pablo]

Well put Ani.

[HomerJay]

Maybe the PM should have consulted you lot, before speaking earlier.

 

dont be a cunt.

 

all bollocks and circus acts aside, we all want the right result out of this you know.

 

 

thats why non scousers are pissed off, you cant have an opinion or ask question without being shot down.

[little whitt]

police took blood of the dead at the front who got cruched

 

NOT the ones at the back who caused the cruched JSL

 

take it the dead had tickets and the undead did not

[Carlos]

Little Whit knows the score, although I'm not sure they were the undead.

[Traf]

Little Whit knows the score, although I'm not sure they were the undead.

 

They were Scousers, so you'll never know.

 

Anyway, a crucial point has been raised on here, but ignored in this "independent" inquiry. The fans must take some of the blame.

[DazBob]

They were Scousers, so you'll never know.

 

Anyway, a crucial point has been raised on here, but ignored in this "independent" inquiry. The fans must take some of the blame.

 

There is no way on earth anyone will have the balls to come out and dare to suggest that the fans were in any way to blame.

[Traf]

There is no way on earth anyone will have the balls to come out and dare to suggest that the fans were in any way to blame.

 

I know, but it smacks of hypocrisy when they bang on about justice. They want the truth, but not all of it. They only want a cover-up that suits the Scouse Nation.

[Youri McAnespie]

There's this belief that, possibly because of preconceptions of scousers jibbing, blagging and being scallies, that those at the back were fully aware of the crush they were causing at the front.

 

Anyone who's been in a crush, at a gig or festival, at a match etc. will know how scary it is when, despite people telling those at the back to move back - nothing happens.

 

Someone's touched upon this before, would anyone, from any club, upon seeing an open gate have acted differently - without the benefit of hindsight?

 

If South Yorkshire Police had only held their hands up in the first place, had not attempted a cover-up and admitted to being one component among many that collided to produce this disaster - A simple statement this may be, and reiteration of others thoughts, but there isn't one culpable party to the disaster itself.

 

But many also acted shamefully in the aftermath.

Edited September 12, 2012 by Youri McAnespie

[DazBob]

I know, but it smacks of hypocrisy when they bang on about justice. They want the truth, but not all of it. They only want a cover-up that suits the Scouse Nation.

 

I fully agree.

[Traf]

I fully agree.

 

My Liverpool-supporting sister naturally disagrees.

(small, before you ask)

[DazBob]

My Liverpool-supporting sister naturally disagrees.

(small, before you ask)

 

Let me guess, she says LFC fans are in no way to blame for what happened 'cos Lord Justice Taylor said so.

[little whitt]

My Liverpool-supporting sister naturally disagrees.

(small, before you ask)

are thay not ......96D

[Traf]

To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't know.

I just know we don't see eye to eye about this.

I can't be arsed asking!

[Traf]

are thay not ......96D

 

You're a very sick man.

 

Well done.

[Ani]

so

1. ground was unsafe - yup we knew this.

2. emergency services were slow - knew this too, health and safety just didnt exist.

3. statements were changed by police - disgusting, fair play to the families for pushing with this.

4. fans were not to blame at all - sorry not having this what-so-ever. anyone whos been to a footballer match, especially back then, knows its a free for all and basically last man standing.

 

i missed the part about the letting the fans through the gates, and whether it should or shouldnt have happened.

 

The people whose job it was to keep the ground and the people in safe failed. They have now been shown to have tried to hide this.

 

Also you may have a point that some fans were drunk, late and without tickets and were a factor .....but the ones who died were probably in the ground early and sober, they died and that is what this is all about.

 

The whole point of a Police force is to protect innocent people, instead they watched as these people died and then tried to cover it up and perpetuate the myth that it was the fans fault, which is just fucking sick.

[superjohnmcginlay]

Didn't The ground not have a safety certificate also?

 

Apparently there were less police on that day from the year before, I've not read much into it only heard on talk sport,

[Carlos]

Re the cover up, fucking scandalous, name and shame. BUT that was after the event.

 

There's blame in all directions but a truth where that fans that killed 39 people previously are entirely innocent doesn't ring true. They were still acting like cunts at Wembley in 95.

[1969]

Re the cover up, fucking scandalous, name and shame. BUT that was after the event.

 

There's blame in all directions but a truth where that fans that killed 39 people previously are entirely innocent doesn't ring true. They were still acting like cunts at Wembley in 95.

Was saying this at work all the lads agreed except the Liverpool armchair fans

[Mounts Kipper]

Its a tragedy that people went to a match and never came home, but I would have prefered it if the scousers campaign was a search for the truth and compensation, lets have a little bit of honesty from the bentest region in the country.