Space Dudes

[Dimron]

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

The moon is just over 380,000km from earth, mars is over 55,000,000km.

The US landed on the moon July 1969, that is a fact. In today's money, the space race cost US tax payers approximately a quarter of a trillion dollars.

We need to move away from costing everything and be more magnificent 

[Underpants]

30 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Apollo's biggest challenge was the rocket and trajectory. Mars's biggest challenge is keeping humans alive and healthy on an alien planet with no escape hatch for months on end.

Apollo proved we could get there and back. Mars requires proving we can live there, which is orders of magnitude harder.

Plus you'd have to convince the tax payers of whatever country was launching that it's worth the cost/risk. It would cost trillions to set up a livable habitat on Mars. And in the absence of a motivating factor like the space race - it's hard to drum up that level of support. 

Arguably that would be more difficult that the technical challenges which are difficult - but not impossible. 

Plus - even if we did get there, lunatic conspiracy theorists would go around telling everyone that it was all a big hoax anyway. So what's the point? 😁

Ta! I was being obtuse but thanks for the breakdown. 

All the challenges a Mars journey would intake are ridiculous. The argument we can go to these places from a control centre in Florida is a fair one. But my point, which I have made many times before, is that manned progress in this field has not moved 1 inch further forward in over 55 years. When we had wooden ships and the world was flat some might say we had the same financial and risk obsticals then. If they could have sent a remote ship to Australia or the South pole from a desk at Greenwich they still would have sent some boots there later. And it wouldn't take them 55 years to do it. Setting foot on new worlds didn't stop then.

Edited April 1 by Underpants

[kent_white]

16 minutes ago, Cheese said:

 

Hope this all goes well. We're an incredible species when we're not trying to blow each other up!

[Dimron]

28 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Apollo's biggest challenge was the rocket and trajectory. Mars's biggest challenge is keeping humans alive and healthy on an alien planet with no escape hatch for months on end.

Apollo proved we could get there and back. Mars requires proving we can live there, which is orders of magnitude harder.

Plus you'd have to convince the tax payers of whatever country was launching that it's worth the cost/risk. It would cost trillions to set up a livable habitat on Mars. And in the absence of a motivating factor like the space race - it's hard to drum up that level of support. 

Arguably that would be more difficult that the technical challenges which are difficult - but not impossible. 

Plus - even if we did get there, lunatic conspiracy theorists would go around telling everyone that it was all a big hoax anyway. So what's the point? 😁

I'd still like to have a go, just send a supply rocket full of Carrs Pasties and Dandelion and Burdock behind me.... i could even have a trailer which I would park in orbit... set up a poly tunnel and grow some toms, the seeds will be in my shits. 

[kent_white]

1 minute ago, Underpants said:

Ta! I was being obtuse but thanks for the breakdown. 

All the challenges a Mars journey would intake are ridiculous. The argument we can go to these places from a control centre in Florida is a fair one. But my point, which I have made many times before, is that manned progress in this field has not moved 1 inch further forward in over 55 years. When we had wooden ships and the world was flat some might say we had the same financial and risk obsticals then. Setting foot on new worlds didn't stop. If they they could have sent a remote ship to Australia or the South pole from m a desk at Greenwich they still would have sent some boots there. And it wouldn't take them 55 years to do it.

True. But I think that tells us more about how fragile human bodies are and how hazardous the environment is. 

I know you're not a believer - but the skill, intelligence and ingenuity it took to land a human on the moon will take some beating as far as human endeavours go. 

And I'm not sure I'd agree that manned progress hasn't moved an inch forward. Like I said - technically we could probably get a human being onto Mars. And that was unthinkable when the Apollo missions were happening. We've just not had the need/motivation to get there. 

I take your point about exploration in ships. But the costs weren't anything like sending humans to the moon. And there was quite frequently hundreds of years in between new discoveries. Columbus 'discovered' the Americas in 1492 - but we didn't settle it till a hundred or so years later. 

Maybe there was an 'El Underpanto' somewhere in Spain saying that the 'new world' was a myth and questioning why nobody had been back? 😁

[Underpants]

16 minutes ago, kent_white said:

True. But I think that tells us more about how fragile human bodies are and how hazardous the environment is. 

I know you're not a believer - but the skill, intelligence and ingenuity it took to land a human on the moon will take some beating as far as human endeavours go. 

And I'm not sure I'd agree that manned progress hasn't moved an inch forward. Like I said - technically we could probably get a human being onto Mars. And that was unthinkable when the Apollo missions were happening. We've just not had the need/motivation to get there. 

I take your point about exploration in ships. But the costs weren't anything like sending humans to the moon. And there was quite frequently hundreds of years in between new discoveries. Columbus 'discovered' the Americas in 1492 - but we didn't settle it till a hundred or so years later. 

Maybe there was an 'El Underpanto' somewhere in Spain saying that the 'new world' was a myth and questioning why nobody had been back? 😁

Sorry but we haven't moved a human 1 inch any further. That is a fact. Only a fkn imbecile would argue against a cast iron fact 🫣

I suppose these astronauts going around the other side of the moon is more than an inch. At least that's progress.

[Zico]

30 minutes ago, Underpants said:

Sorry but we haven't moved a human 1 inch any further. That is a fact. Only a fkn imbecile would argue against a cast iron fact 🫣

I suppose these astronauts going around the other side of the moon is more than an inch. At least that's progress.

They've built a space station that folk live on if that counts

[kent_white]

52 minutes ago, Underpants said:

Sorry but we haven't moved a human 1 inch any further. That is a fact. Only a fkn imbecile would argue against a cast iron fact 🫣

I suppose these astronauts going around the other side of the moon is more than an inch. At least that's progress.

I'm not going to be called a fucking imbecile by someone who thinks we didn't land on the moon 🤣

[SatanGreavsie]

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

I'd still like to have a go, just send a supply rocket full of Carrs Pasties and Dandelion and Burdock behind me.... i could even have a trailer which I would park in orbit... set up a poly tunnel and grow some toms, the seeds will be in my shits. 

the co-pilot and navigator? Flight Lt Ronnie Dandelion (2 tours of the gulf war) and Emily Burdock, a teacher from Little Rock Arkansas, survivor of two school shootings.

[kent_white]

29 minutes ago, Zico said:

They've built a space station that folk live on if that counts

Yeah apart from that though. And being able to fly and land on Mars 😁

[Cheese]

Less than an hour until the launch window opens. 🤞

[Underpants]

10 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I'm not going to be called a fucking imbecile by someone who thinks we didn't land on the moon 🤣

I'll take your reply in the same tongue-in-cheek way I hope mine was recieved.

Anyway who said that we've never walked on the moon? Ive asked questions and, if we did go to the moon, I've expressed my frustration with the complete lack of progress with manned missions. You can ussum what you like but I've deliberately not nailed my colours to any mast.

[kent_white]

15 minutes ago, Underpants said:

I'll take your reply in the same tongue-in-cheek way I hope mine was recieved.

Anyway who said that we've never walked on the moon? Ive asked questions and, if we did go to the moon, I've expressed my frustration with the complete lack of progress with manned missions. You can ussum what you like but I've deliberately not nailed my colours to any mast.

OK - I'll assume. You carry on 'just asking questions'*

 

 

 

 

 

 

*But maybe start listening to us when we explain the answers to them 

[Underpants]

It's not beyond the moon. Technically it's not even in space.

1 hour ago, Zico said:

They've built a space station that folk live on if that counts

Yes we have a space station. And it's very nice and impressive. But it's not very far from home.

[Underpants]

6 minutes ago, kent_white said:

OK - I'll assume. You carry on 'just asking questions'*

 

 

 

 

 

 

*But maybe start listening to us when we explain the answers to them 

Carry on explaining. You are assuming that I don't know the answers. Arguing a case doesn't necessarily mean I don't know the answers. Maybe I'm checking to see if you know.

* Don't go through life assuming. 

[Zico]

3 minutes ago, Underpants said:

It's not beyond the moon. Technically it's not even in space.

Yes we have a space station. And it's very nice and impressive. But it's not very far from home.

what are your expectations of progress based on?

we have sent rockets here, there and everywhere in space to observe planets, stars and galaxies, we have a remote controlled robot doing stuff on mars, we have "telescopes"" observing stars that are billions of miles away and collecting data on them

we have "eyes" everywhere, in places where it's not technically or physically possible for humans to go

there's only 3 other planets in the solar system that are rocks that could be landed on, and two of those are that hot humans would be fried alive before they got anywhere near them

we can only feasibly go to mars, but that would currently take 3 years to go there and back, and we have a robot already there doing the things that humans would do

space ships like the starship enterprise and millienium falcon don't exist, yet, so we can't get anywhere else quickly

so where does your frustration come from

what is it you would like to see?

[MancWanderer]

@Underpants just wants a new angle on the Name the ground thread 

[kent_white]

3 minutes ago, Underpants said:

Carry on explaining. You are assuming that I don't know the answers. Arguing a case doesn't necessarily mean I don't know the answers. Maybe I'm checking to see if you know.

* Don't go through life assuming. 

No - I can't be arsed. It's like arguing with an anti vaxxer and I had to give up arguing with them for my mental health.

You believe what you want to believe. Just try not doing the usual conspiracy theorist shite of spoiling moments of genuine wonderment for those of us who don't share your opinion. Like tonight. 

Worse than fucking vegans! 😁

[Cheese]

It's on. T-10 minutes! 

[Zico]

24 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

@Underpants just wants a new angle on the Name the ground thread 

Portmoon Road

[Cheese]

Imagine sitting on top of a giant bomb that's about to explode and fire you into space in exactly 5 minutes. Mind boggling.

Edited April 1 by Cheese

[DirtySanchez]

3 hours ago, kent_white said:

Apollo's biggest challenge was the rocket and trajectory. Mars's biggest challenge is keeping humans alive and healthy on an alien planet with no escape hatch for months on end.

Apollo proved we could get there and back. Mars requires proving we can live there, which is orders of magnitude harder.

Plus you'd have to convince the tax payers of whatever country was launching that it's worth the cost/risk. It would cost trillions to set up a livable habitat on Mars. And in the absence of a motivating factor like the space race - it's hard to drum up that level of support. 

Arguably that would be more difficult that the technical challenges which are difficult - but not impossible. 

Plus - even if we did get there, lunatic conspiracy theorists would go around telling everyone that it was all a big hoax anyway. So what's the point? 😁

Could they not just do like they did in Total Recall and plant a memory that they went to Mars or summat 

[Underpants]

21 minutes ago, Zico said:

what are your expectations of progress based on?

we have sent rockets here, there and everywhere in space to observe planets, stars and galaxies, we have a remote controlled robot doing stuff on mars, we have "telescopes"" observing stars that are billions of miles away and collecting data on them

we have "eyes" everywhere, in places where it's not technically or physically possible for humans to go

there's only 3 other planets in the solar system that are rocks that could be landed on, and two of those are that hot humans would be fried alive before they got anywhere near them

we can only feasibly go to mars, but that would currently take 3 years to go there and back, and we have a robot already there doing the things that humans would do

space ships like the starship enterprise and millienium falcon don't exist, yet, so we can't get anywhere else quickly

so where does your frustration come from

what is it you would like to see?

For manned missions the absolute bare minimum required for progress would be to move a human 1 inch further away than before. In 50 years we've not done that. What do you say?

[Cheese]

Incredible. Gonna be some amazing footage in a few days. 0 to 15,000mph in 7 minutes.

Edited April 1 by Cheese

[Underpants]

33 minutes ago, kent_white said:

No - I can't be arsed. It's like arguing with an anti vaxxer and I had to give up arguing with them for my mental health.

You believe what you want to believe. Just try not doing the usual conspiracy theorist shite of spoiling moments of genuine wonderment for those of us who don't share your opinion. Like tonight. 

Worse than fucking vegans! 😁

KW what opinion am I sharing exactly? I don't think that I've called you a loon or that you that you are wrong. You have assumed a lot of things about me. I could be on one big wind-up. I could be a moon landing disbeliever. I could be just taking a contrary stance. Thanks for letting me believe what I want to believe. I grant you the same.

By the way, you might be arguing. I'm not. There lies the problem.