If they vote to leave would it really affect us? My boss is a jock living down here and says it should be a no & doesn't know any scotchs who will vote yes.

P.S. Alex Salmond is a smarmy fucker

Great article by Simon Heffer in this morning's Daily Mail

 

He says, essentially "Fuck Off"

 

 

If they vote "yes" to be a depedent nation in Europe rather than a dependent nation in the UK, I will feel sorry for those Scots who really see themselves as British.

 

 

Link please BD.

Link please BD.

 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2750071/Why-don-t-tell-Scots-shove-In-personal-view-Mail-disagrees-SIMON-HEFFER-says-fear-English-people-think.html

The same Daily mail that's running Cameron's plea to stay in the Union.

 

It makes some interesting points but the whole 'The English, especially, will wonder why our leaders feel the need to suck up to a nation that sponged off our largesse consistently over the past 307 years, yet is still not satisfied.'

 

Is just the same as the misrepresentation of the English by the Nationalists in Scotland, and people like BD play directly into their hands with the sod off then mentality. 

 

The No campaign has been a bit ham-fisted; the case of the Union is much stronger than the case for independence for the benefit of ALL not just the Scottish. That's what Scottish Nationalists and the English pro-Scottish independence forget and why they are so similar in being so very wrong.

it seems to me that england would be financially better without scotland

 

i like being british

 

 

so, on reflection, i hope we stay together

But,

 

The same Daily mail that's running Cameron's plea to stay in the Union.

 

It makes some interesting points but the whole 'The English, especially, will wonder why our leaders feel the need to suck up to a nation that sponged off our largesse consistently over the past 307 years, yet is still not satisfied.'

 

Is just the same as the misrepresentation of the English by the Nationalists in Scotland, and people like BD play directly into their hands with the sod off then mentality. 

 

The No campaign has been a bit ham-fisted; the case of the Union is much stronger than the case for independence for the benefit of ALL not just the Scottish. That's what Scottish Nationalists and the English pro-Scottish independence forget and why they are so similar in being so very wrong.

 

 

No, I want them to stay

 

 

I'm British and believe in Britain

 

If they want to go, they should. I'm a liberal.

 

But, if they want to believe such as Salmond and go to war with England, after all we have been through together, then, as you say, they can fuck off.

 

I can't believe that there are enough idiots in Scotland to follow Salmond.

 

Again, I feel sorry for our fellow Brits in scotland who want to stay

The same Daily mail that's running Cameron's plea to stay in the Union.

 

It makes some interesting points but the whole 'The English, especially, will wonder why our leaders feel the need to suck up to a nation that sponged off our largesse consistently over the past 307 years, yet is still not satisfied.'

 

Is just the same as the misrepresentation of the English by the Nationalists in Scotland, and people like BD play directly into their hands with the sod off then mentality.

 

The No campaign has been a bit ham-fisted; the case of the Union is much stronger than the case for independence for the benefit of ALL not just the Scottish. That's what Scottish Nationalists and the English pro-Scottish independence forget and why they are so similar in being so very wrong.

so predictable nic

so predictable nic

In that I have an opinion and I'm sticking with it?

 

Yeah I suppose I am.

It's interesting to do some research on secessionist movements in Europe, Germany is noticably scant in these - there's Jesper and Thorsten and their wives and their herd of Frisian - some three hundred strong, campaigning up Heligoland and that's about it...

 

I can't for the life of me think why Federal Germany wouldn't have more of these movements? Surely the Ruhr Valley is 'propping up' the rest? IMO they'd love nowt more to 'balkanize' the rest of Europe, whilst staying united and stong themselves...

 

If I was a political artist I'd do a drawing of Salmond in bluefaced and hessian smock Braveheart get-up with a speech bubble of ''One day we will get our FREEDOM!" - then in the next caption, Salmond now more contrite looking and wearing a pink bunny romper suit like Spoiled Bastard out of Viz, handing over a scroll emblazoned with 'FREEDOM' to Angela Merkel.

 

Anyhow, as an aside, it's bad news for the Little Britain lot, even in the event of a 'yes' vote, I have it on good authority the Union Flag will stay, with a slight alteration to emphasise Welsh affiliation. The green will also reflect our 'pastoral' imagery and will, according to coalition spokesman Jonty Anghel, "reflect the cultural diversity of contibutor countries to our ethnic rainbow - including; Nigeria, Pakistan and India".

 

Edited September 10, 201411 yr by Youri McAnespie

I've got more important things to worry about than the Scotch. It's a fucking hard life, living in a G8 country, one people are literally dying to get into. Yet that's not enough, well fuck them.

 

However... This independance, IF they join the EU they won't have our veto. Their fiscal policy will be dictated by us or the Germans. And they'll still have our Queen. Doesn't sounds very independant.

It's interesting to do some research on secessionist movements in Europe, Germany is noticably scant in these - there's Jesper and Thorsten and their wives and their herd of Frisian - some three hundred strong, campaigning up Heligoland and that's about it...

 

I can't for the life of me think why Federal Germany wouldn't have more of these movements? Surely the Ruhr Valley is 'propping up' the rest? IMO they'd love nowt more to 'balkanize' the rest of Europe, whilst staying united and stong themselves...

 

If I was a political artist I'd do a drawing of Salmond in bluefaced and hessian smock Braveheart get-up with a speech bubble of ''One day we will get our FREEDOM!" - then in the next caption, Salmond now more contrite looking and wearing a pink bunny romper suit like Spoiled Bastard out of Viz, handing over a scroll emblazoned with 'FREEDOM' to Angela Merkel.

 

Anyhow, as an aside, it's bad news for the Little Britain lot, even in the event of a 'yes' vote, I have it on good authority the Union Flag will stay, with a slight alteration to emphasise Welsh affiliation. The green will also reflect our 'pastoral' imagery and will, according to coalition spokesman Jonty Anghel, "reflect the cultural diversity of contibutor countries to our ethnic rainbow - including; Nigeria, Pakistan and India".

 

 

Stick a big white crescent on it and you could have something.

I've got a version of the Union Jack that Bolton Council are planning to fly next Eid, I'll stick it on here when I'm back at a computer...

 

That flag is growing on me, the green Union Jack - I like how it states ''Piss off then! We'll be reet...'' to Scotland.

 

I want to keep the Union, but I won't give the time of day to the Scots if they decide to leave.

 

On the plus side, in case of yes, surely we'll stop the annual clocks back in October shite?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2750071/Why-don-t-tell-Scots-shove-In-personal-view-Mail-disagrees-SIMON-HEFFER-says-fear-English-people-think.html

 

 

Cheers BD. Unlike thoroughly predictable NIC, I am pleased to see someone other than England football fans voicing the opinions of what I believe to be a majority of English people.

 

If they do get independence, it will be fascinating to watch them wallow in their own importance for a while and then wallow in the doldrums when reality hits home.

 

Still time to get north of the border NIC. A socialist paradise awaits.

When I think of Scottish Nationalists, I always hear the line ''...Because they didnae qualify!'' being sung in my head...

 

C*nts.

Edited September 10, 201411 yr by Youri McAnespie

Cheers BD. Unlike thoroughly predictable NIC, I am pleased to see someone other than England football fans voicing the opinions of what I believe to be a majority of English people.

 

If they do get independence, it will be fascinating to watch them wallow in their own importance for a while and then wallow in the doldrums when reality hits home.

 

Still time to get north of the border NIC. A socialist paradise awaits.

 

 

I do like the phrase I made up this morning;

 

 

Yes to dependent nation in Europe rather than a dependent nation in the UK

Cheers BD. Unlike thoroughly predictable NIC, I am pleased to see someone other than England football fans voicing the opinions of what I believe to be a majority of English people.

 

If they do get independence, it will be fascinating to watch them wallow in their own importance for a while and then wallow in the doldrums when reality hits home.

 

Still time to get north of the border NIC. A socialist paradise awaits.

Do you not see the irony in calling me predictable and then posting this?

 

I'm afraid the majority of English folk would quite happily keep the Union as is.

 

Hardly a socialist paradise, the SNP are more rightwing than Labour, its Salmon's political nous that allows him to be seen as both left, centre and right; that's because he plays the nationalist card very well.

 

I'd move to Edinburgh or Glasgow in a heartbeat, not because of my political leanings, just because I think they are wonderful cities, made a lot of friends there and the cost of living is so much better, my children are in the south east, and until they are old enough to fly the nest, I'll be down here.

I want them to stay, the UK is brilliant, made by the English, scots welsh and Irish to break it up over what seems to political rather than strong economic logic seems bizarre.

 

1 they want the pound so the currency is not independent

2 they stay in Europe so laws set in Brussels not independent.

 

Why not have the Scottish Pound and control it themselves ? wanting to leave the union but keep the currency seems like expecting a blow job off you ex missus.

 

See the get their own army, so what about lads in the British army now ?

 

Pisses me off people all of a sudden saying give them more power, why ? Because it is the right thing to do or just to win the vote ?

 

Jason man ford has it right ' dear Scotland, Please do not leave them to us, From the North'

Hardly a socialist paradise, the SNP are more rightwing than Labour,

 

 

 

Well I'd put them pretty firmly on the left due to their promises to spend as far as I can see ALL of the national budget on welfare and the amount of nonsensical green crap they're into. And it is deserting Labour voters who are making the polls close.

 

See the get their own army, so what about lads in the British army now ?

 

 

They say that those already in it can stay or instead join the 15,000 strong Scottish Defence Force. Beyond that I don't know.

 

Pisses me off people all of a sudden saying give them more power, why ? Because it is the right thing to do or just to win the vote ?

 

 

It isn't the right thing to do and it won't win the vote. Might help lose it though. It's a serious error. Thanks to the offer of more power, the No vote could win 99-1 and it would still result in unparalleled constitutional upheaval for the whole UK and the union will be unrecognisable - and only Scots get a say in it. You can barely get a fag paper between the position of the Yes and No camp anymore. The result is almost irrelevant because either way, things are going to change dramatically and needlessly.

The SNP will use anyone - as an Scottish Tory has just come out today and said when the SNP have formed allegiances with the Conservatives as they had a minority government. Salmon is an ex-oil finance strategist, hardly a left wing, tree hugging profession.

 

They are promising what the majority in the Yes camp want to hear, that's hardly surprising, the green crap is essentially playing on the anti war feeling from Trident - again what the young naive Yes voters want to hear.

 

Labour voters are shifting because they see a chance to claim power in Scotland sooner than if they stayed with the UK, given the unpopularity of Milliband and the party in the South East.

 

The SNP are a nationalist party, to mark their card as simply left wing, is misguided.

The SNP will use anyone - as an Scottish Tory has just come out today and said when the SNP have formed allegiances with the Conservatives as they had a minority government. Salmon is an ex-oil finance strategist, hardly a left wing, tree hugging profession.

 

They are promising what the majority in the Yes camp want to hear, that's hardly surprising, the green crap is essentially playing on the anti war feeling from Trident - again what the young naive Yes voters want to hear.

 

Labour voters are shifting because they see a chance to claim power in Scotland sooner than if they stayed with the UK, given the unpopularity of Milliband and the party in the South East.

 

The SNP are a nationalist party, to mark their card as simply left wing, is misguided.

 

 

They are a left wing party, without doubt.

 

This is triangulation

They are a left wing party, without doubt.

 

This is triangulation

Then we will agree to disagree - it's not that simple, I'm afraid.

I'd move to Edinburgh or Glasgow in a heartbeat, not because of my political leanings, just because I think I'd look good in a kilt and I love Tunnock's Tea Cakes

The SNP will use anyone - as an Scottish Tory has just come out today and said when the SNP have formed allegiances with the Conservatives as they had a minority government. Salmon is an ex-oil finance strategist, hardly a left wing, tree hugging profession.

 

They are promising what the majority in the Yes camp want to hear, that's hardly surprising, the green crap is essentially playing on the anti war feeling from Trident - again what the young naive Yes voters want to hear.

 

Labour voters are shifting because they see a chance to claim power in Scotland sooner than if they stayed with the UK, given the unpopularity of Milliband and the party in the South East.

 

The SNP are a nationalist party, to mark their card as simply left wing, is misguided.

 

Well you're right to point out how easily they're able to be all things to all people, but even then there is barely anyone on the right who will vote yes. Business is against it, for instance, so is almost anyone living away from urban areas. I can't think of any argument they've made in favour of independence which would be even mildly alluring to anyone on the right. Nor does the quest to attract young people account for the green crap or the trident stuff. There are not enough young voters. Two things do explain it - one is ideology and the other is desperation to say something - anything - different to what the other three parties say. All the SNP has to do is disassociate itself from Westminster. And it is very easy to be left wing and populist when the money in your pocket was given to you by big brother and will be given again and again no matter how much of it you waste on stupid fucking projects like the parliament building and green stuff.

 

In the event of a yes you will see the right re-emerge in Scotland when the realities of Scots having to debate Scottish money being raised by Scottish taxes on Scottish people begin to bite. It's a pity that that will be too late for the union. Up until now they've spent only Westminster's money. And so the right died. All any campaigning party had to do was explain how it was going to extort more money out of London.

Edited September 10, 201411 yr by Maggie Tate

I hope they go - I'm a proud Brit but and I wanted us to stay together but I've been incensed by all of this.

 

The arrogance of it. 'Oh we don't like the Tories so we want to leave'. Fuck them. Very few of our major cities ever vote Tory. But that's democracy isn't it.

 

Essentially it boils down to Nationalism - and complacency.

 

What sort of union is it anyway where their children are exempt from crippling fees to get an education but English children aren't?

 

Like Maggie said we'll concede so much now even if they vote no, we may as well just call it a yes.

 

Not quite sure why we are so desperate to keep them anyway. Hope they leave and fall flat on their arse.

They are a left wing party, without doubt.

 

This is triangulation

 

 

 

Then we will agree to disagree - it's not that simple, I'm afraid.

 

 

We tend to get here, but with full respect.

 

A decent place

will the Scottish defence force have any jets or warships?