All getting a bit silly now.

 

Not sure what the answer is.

 

Must be really shit where they're coming from that's for sure.

I think we should do our bit and take some in, let's say 100,000 for arguments sake

 

I'd like to think we can find a way of getting the 100,000 from the UN's figure of 62% genuinely at risk rather then the 38% that are changing their arm for a better economic future but in reality there is probably no way to work that out

 

Let's say we take 100,000 then fag packet maths would say this is going to cost about £1b a year in housing and other benefits

 

All I want to see is everyone in agreement as to where this should come from when they post it on FB and other social media, I.e....

 

Let's take in 100,000 and pay for it out of our education budget or NHS or Welfare etc etc

 

The problem is this will be forgotten and when the budget comes out and Education goes from getting £77b to £76b to fund it all the same folk calling for us to show humanity and do something will have the bedsheets out complaining about cuts to services

 

I'm up for bringing them in, take it out of whichever pot you want just don't put fucking taxes up any more!!

Edited September 5, 201510 yr by birch-chorley

Gerrymandering the population never works. And i don't know how Germany's misguided attempts at WW2 reparations by letting everyone in the world into Europe helps 'the allies', either .

 

Better off going to war over it. it'll go wrong, But at least you can sit back on the schadenfreude when it does.

 

giving Iran the A-Bomb last week makes it harder to win too.

So it now appears the young boy's death is due to his fathers vanity. Shame on Britain.

Gerrymandering the population never works.

I don't understand what you are getting at? Who is doing the Gerrymandering in this instance?

So it now appears the young boy's death is due to his fathers vanity. Shame on Britain.

 

So do all the hysteric hand wringers still think they are refugees? Also read that family had quite a comfortable flat in Turkey.

So do all the hysteric hand wringers still think they are refugees? Also read that family had quite a comfortable flat in Turkey.

A billion pounds our government are giving in our name yet Cameron is cutting cancer treatments in Britain. Now that I shameful. I know where I'd sooner my money went.

So do all the hysteric hand wringers still think they are refugees? Also read that family had quite a comfortable flat in Turkey.

Careful, with that kind of terminology you're on course to take Boltys crown as the most bigoted plonker on this forum.

 

You don't have to be a hysterical hand wringer to want your government and the EU to show some compassion to people and familes that are in a really shit situation.

 

There's families fleeing wore torn countries and living on the sides of motorways with no food in the pissing rain. You don't have to be guardian reader to realise they need help and our country is in a position to help. Just like we'd want any help if things went tits up this country.

 

Nobody is saying get em all over here and move em in,folk are just saying we should help more than we have been in recent weeks.

 

It's a terrible situation that needs everybody involved to sort out because it isn't going away any time soon.

Edited September 5, 201510 yr by gonzo

Careful, with that kind of terminology you're on course to take Boltys crown as the most bigoted plonker on this forum.

 

You don't have to be a hysterical hand wringer to want your government and the EU to show some compassion to people and familes that are in a really shit situation.

 

There's families fleeing wore torn countries and living on the sides of motorways with no food in the pissing rain. You don't have to be guardian reader to realise they need help and our country is in a position to help. Just like we'd want any help if things went tits up this country.

 

Nobody is saying get em all over here and move em in,folk are just saying we should help more than we have been in recent weeks.

 

It's a terrible situation that needs everybody involved to sort out because it isn't going away any time soon.

what else can we do apart from offer them safety here?

So do all the hysteric hand wringers still think they are refugees? Also read that family had quite a comfortable flat in Turkey.

You just make the same point over and over again. People who have comfortable lives don't risk drowning to have an equally as comfortable life.

Careful, with that kind of terminology you're on course to take Boltys crown as the most bigoted plonker on this forum.

 

You don't have to be a hysterical hand wringer to want your government and the EU to show some compassion to people and familes that are in a really shit situation.

 

There's families fleeing wore torn countries and living on the sides of motorways with no food in the pissing rain. You don't have to be guardian reader to realise they need help and our country is in a position to help. Just like we'd want any help if things went tits up this country.

 

Nobody is saying get em all over here and move em in,folk are just saying we should help more than we have been in recent weeks.

 

It's a terrible situation that needs everybody involved to sort out because it isn't going away any time soon.

 

Calling me a bigot does not change the fact that the idiot put his young family in a fucking dingy after 12 months living in a flat in Turkey. I repeat Turkey, not some bombed out shithole in Syria.

 

For me our money would be better spent on hard up people in our own backyard.

Calling me a bigot does not change the fact that the idiot put his young family in a fucking dingy after 12 months living in a flat in Turkey. I repeat Turkey, not some bombed out shithole in Syria.

 

For me our money would be better spent on hard up people in our own backyard.

correct, there's loads of priorities our money needs to go first, one highlighted this week was the cancer drug being pulled due to costs.

People need to come to terms with the fact they're a member of the human race. Pure chance to be born in Britain people don't realise how lucky they are. I don't think your average person trawls across Europe with their family to sit on their arse when they get here, chances are they might just be someone who's pretty motivated, hard working and want the best for their family( bolty should be able to relate to that). None interviewed mention benefits they mention jobs.. The approach from a few seems to be 'Why can't these people just stay in their own countries and die so we can crack on?'

Calling me a bigot does not change the fact that the idiot put his young family in a fucking dingy after 12 months living in a flat in Turkey. I repeat Turkey, not some bombed out shithole in Syria.

 

For me our money would be better spent on hard up people in our own backyard.

What's concern is money being spent of yours?

 

You won't notice a billion quid being spent on their welfare.

 

It's just another thing for you and your daily mail chums to get outraged about.

 

The only way you and I are different from those families over there is that we were born on a different side to a line on a map. They are people, English or not.

 

Where they are from shouldn't matter a jot.

 

You don't know anything about that bloke with his kids and besides its one small story amongst 100,000's of others.

 

You go on about issues in our own back yard? You and your likes are the first to kick off about where money goes in this country.

 

Really hope you need help one day. You might regret your high and mighty stance.

Nowt like a good humaritarian crisis to demonstrate quite how inhumane we've become as a country.

 

If your first instinct when you look at a dead child being washed up on a beach is anger at how much this might potentially cost you then you're a lost cause.....

Edit - double post

Edited September 5, 201510 yr by kent_white

People need to come to terms with the fact they're a member of the human race. Pure chance to be born in Britain people don't realise how lucky they are. I don't think your average person trawls across Europe with their family to sit on their arse when they get here, chances are they might just be someone who's pretty motivated, hard working and want the best for their family( bolty should be able to relate to that). None interviewed mention benefits they mention jobs.. The approach from a few seems to be 'Why can't these people just stay in their own countries and die so we can crack on?'

the chances that these refugees will have some qualifications are pretty much slim. Therefore they will need the welfare system they wont live on fresh air

What's concern is money being spent of yours?

 

You won't notice a billion quid being spent on their welfare.

 

It's just another thing for you and your daily mail chums to get outraged about.

 

The only way you and I are different from those families over there is that we were born on a different side to a line on a map. They are people, English or not.

 

Where they are from shouldn't matter a jot.

 

You don't know anything about that bloke with his kids and besides its one small story amongst 100,000's of others.

 

You go on about issues in our own back yard? You and your likes are the first to kick off about where money goes in this country.

 

Really hope you need help one day. You might regret your high and mighty stance.

 

Where do you draw the line? Using that logic Europe should just open its borders to the entire population of the third world. 

 

And just so you have the full picture both my parents were displaced after WW2. They were refugees marooned in bombed out Germany  barred from returning to Poland by the Russians. They were stuck there penniless for 2 years but patiently applied for British, French and American visas. The British visas came in first so they came here. They didn't hang around because the USA was more attractive.

 

Yeah and theres been many a time i've been in a hole, but unlike these fit young men demanding passage to Germany, I rolled my sleeves up and dug myself out of it. 

You can get jobs without qualifications.. our population is getting older as well, we need the workforce to look after us when we're old.

the chances that these refugees will have some qualifications are pretty much slim. Therefore they will need the welfare system they wont live on fresh air

Actually a lot of the ones fleeing are the middle classes from Syria, who did hold down jobs and are qualified in one way or another. The reason they've got this far is they've had the money to pay the smugglers and people traffickers to get out of the country. The poor and unqualified are left to be slaughtered back home.

You can get jobs without qualifications.. our population is getting older as well, we need the workforce to look after us when we're old.

you can but they will start off relatively low paid which will mean the entitlement of housing benefits etc. This country houses some home grown dossers who bleed the welfare every week allowing refugees will just add to it.

Where do you draw the line? Using that logic Europe should just open its borders to the entire population of the third world.

 

And just so you have the full picture both my parents were displaced after WW2. They were refugees marooned in bombed out Germany barred from returning to Poland by the Russians. They were stuck there penniless for 2 years but patiently applied for British, French and American visas. The British visas came in first so they came here. They didn't hang around because the USA was more attractive.

 

Yeah and theres been many a time i've been in a hole, but unlike these fit young men demanding passage to Germany, I rolled my sleeves up and dug myself out of it.

Oh well done you. What do you want a guard of honour?

 

You know nothing of the circumstances these people are in. You think travelling 1000's miles across land and sea for a better life for you and your family doesn't constitute "rolling your sleeves up"?

 

These people aren't think I best not go over there as some bloke might get upset on social media. They are running for their lives in chase of a better one.

 

You think they are taking the easy/greedy option? What would you do if you were one of these young men in their situation?

 

Excuse me if I'm wrong but haven't you yourself gone to other countries in search of work and prosperity??

you can but they will start off relatively low paid which will mean the entitlement of housing benefits etc. This country houses some home grown dossers who bleed the welfare every week allowing refugees will just add to it.

Rochdale White has answered this really but is there not an element of a long game that over time they pay back this initial foot up and more by tax they and their descendents pay over time. I suppose the other angle is they're doing jobs that the natives see as below them. The vast majority of domestics where I work are foreign. I've worked in care homes with similar numbers. They help to prop the country up.

I wonder what we can do for those not well or wealthy enough to travel to Hungary, or even Turkey. It is a proper evolutionary survival of the fittest.

I don't know if this analogy works but I was walking around Manchester the other night and passed many people begging on the pavements. Now, if everyone gave them the cost of a pint say, would it solve the problem or would it encourage more to go out and beg? I suspect the second option. Better to give to the charities, of which there are many, that help the genuine homeless people.

The shocking images of the little boy have been used as a political tool to attack the government even though they have sent millions in aid to try and prevent these things happening. Bringing refugees from the camps funded by Britain and others is the right way to help them.

Most people are happy to accept a few thousand but when we are talking about millions, then everyone accepts that there is limit. That limit is what is so decisive.

Edited September 5, 201510 yr by Boby Brno

There are fucking loads more people on the streets of Manchester recently. I've no idea why, I suspect that each and every one has their own story.