Donald Dead Cat On Is Head Trump

[royal white]

11 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

There’s been discussion around gay rights had about Russian owners and Saudi owners. It’s all linked to football, it’s linked as soon as we give these people and states power to influence the game. Seems strange to say you don’t want politics in football, then complain when someone points out that a load of Saudi politicians have just bought a club. There’s been footballing sanctions against Russia, politics has its place in the game when needed.

Why should we move the next World Cup to another location? They’re 3 very different hosts to Qatar. 

Thought the discussion between Souness and Keane was interesting as well - https://www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/football/graeme-souness-britain-ireland-277087

they don’t seem like two blokes that mind expressing an opinion.

 And let’s be honest, there is now barely any political coverage at the games. Not sure what the meltdowns were even about.

”Never in my 30 years of watching football have I ever seen” 😂 it’s 5 minutes ffs, go make a cuppa.

 

 

Aghh right so that makes it ok? Do you think the gun laws in America are fine? The human rights of all the “Aliens” that cross over is fine is it? The racism in America isn’t a problem? Workers having to make money on tips to to be able to feed their kids? Invading countries? Mexico is a superb location with one of the highest murder rates in the world and let’s not start with the it’s drug problem. 
 

Why wouldn’t these footballer use their influence when they travel to the Middle East every year on holiday? 

[London Wanderer]

26 minutes ago, royal white said:

Aghh right so that makes it ok? Do you think the gun laws in America are fine? The human rights of all the “Aliens” that cross over is fine is it? The racism in America isn’t a problem? Workers having to make money on tips to to be able to feed their kids? Invading countries? Mexico is a superb location with one of the highest murder rates in the world and let’s not start with the it’s drug problem. 
 

Why wouldn’t these footballer use their influence when they travel to the Middle East every year on holiday? 

I never said that it makes it alright. No doubt some players will raise these issues at the next WC. Nothing wrong with that. 

Mexico,  USA and Canada all have very different laws on homosexuality and women’s rights. It wouldn’t be a bad thing if FIFA set some sort of minimum standard for host nations.

As Souness said in that interview, nobody is perfect. 
But there is overwhelming evidence that thousands did die to build those stadiums. Despite your eagerness to believe the Qatari state figure.
That’s just not the case for 2026. Nobody is saying a country needs to be squeaky clean. But asking for the bare minimum will only improve the game. 
 

Edited November 26, 2022 by London Wanderer

[Spider]

No politics in football

[royal white]

8 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I never said that it makes it alright. No doubt some players will raise these issues at the next WC. Nothing wrong with that. 

Mexico,  USA and Canada all have very different laws on homosexuality and women’s rights. It wouldn’t be a bad thing if FIFA set some sort of minimum standard for host nations.

As Souness said in that interview, nobody is perfect. 
But there is overwhelming evidence that thousands did die to build those stadiums. Despite your eagerness to believe the Qatari state figure.
That’s just not the case for 2026. Nobody is saying a country needs to be squeaky clean. But asking for the bare minimum will only improve the game. 
 

I’ll pretty much guarantee we won’t see anti gun arm bands or kneeling for war in the coming years. 

Those countries do have a different outlook on gays and Womens rights but they also have a very different outlook on many other topics, is it only gays and women we need to focus on? 

What is the bare minimum and how will a change in gay laws improve the game? 
 

 

[Wanderlust]

11 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I never said that it makes it alright. No doubt some players will raise these issues at the next WC. Nothing wrong with that. 

Mexico,  USA and Canada all have very different laws on homosexuality and women’s rights. It wouldn’t be a bad thing if FIFA set some sort of minimum standard for host nations.

As Souness said in that interview, nobody is perfect. 
But there is overwhelming evidence that thousands did die to build those stadiums. Despite your eagerness to believe the Qatari state figure.
That’s just not the case for 2026. Nobody is saying a country needs to be squeaky clean. But asking for the bare minimum will only improve the game. 
 

The fact is there isn't any "overwhelming evidence" at all. There is a claim that approx 6k workers died from work-related health issues and accidents - which pales into insignificance when compared to the 30k or so Brits who died from work-related illness and accidents in the same period.

After 300 years of colonialism we're in no position to criticise a government that we installed in the first place.

 

[Cheese]

15 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

The fact is there isn't any "overwhelming evidence" at all. There is a claim that approx 6k workers died from work-related health issues and accidents - which pales into insignificance when compared to the 30k or so Brits who died from work-related illness and accidents in the same period.

After 300 years of colonialism we're in no position to criticise a government that we installed in the first place.

Qatar is about the same size as a single English county.

[London Wanderer]

35 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

The fact is there isn't any "overwhelming evidence" at all. There is a claim that approx 6k workers died from work-related health issues and accidents - which pales into insignificance when compared to the 30k or so Brits who died from work-related illness and accidents in the same period.

After 300 years of colonialism we're in no position to criticise a government that we installed in the first place.

 

I’m not sure where you’ve got the 30k figure from? But assuming it’s true that will apply to a much bigger country and age range. 

The article I posted earlier shows how in the worker related death data, a disproportionate amount were younger. That won’t be the case in your 30 k figure for Britain, many will be older.

 We’ve much better worker & human rights laws (even if they are threatened ). That’s just the fact of it. For a start workers are compensated for accidents and receive sick pay. None of that for those Nepalese victims. That’s left to NGOs to fund because if Qatar pay then they admit liability.

 Not sure where to start with your last comment. I’ve criticised colonialism more than most on here, but claiming you can’t scrutinise something because of a history you weren’t involved in doesn’t add up. By that logic we should just be leaving Russia to it because of our history? Or if you’re gay you can’t have a moan because it used to be the same here.

criticism opens the way to change. We’re in every position to criticise.

Edited November 26, 2022 by London Wanderer

[London Wanderer]

38 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’ll pretty much guarantee we won’t see anti gun arm bands or kneeling for war in the coming years. 

Those countries do have a different outlook on gays and Womens rights but they also have a very different outlook on many other topics, is it only gays and women we need to focus on? 

What is the bare minimum and how will a change in gay laws improve the game? 
 

 

That will probably depend on whether Donald wins or not haha.

 Okay then - FIFA could set a precedent where during any host application they had to demonstrate strong worker rights and protections during construction. And commitment to welcoming all genders and sexes. Allowing them to hold hands might be a start. You could even go as far as saying countries where women and gay people were treated as second class citizens would lose points during the application process.

 It’s all a pipe dream. And yes it doesn’t cover everything, but it would be a positive step. 

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

That will probably depend on whether Donald wins or not haha.

 Okay then - FIFA could set a precedent where during any host application they had to demonstrate strong worker rights and protections during construction. And commitment to welcoming all genders and sexes. Allowing them to hold hands might be a start. You could even go as far as saying countries where women and gay people were treated as second class citizens would lose points during the application process.

 It’s all a pipe dream. And yes it doesn’t cover everything, but it would be a positive step. 

Looking forward to the next World Cup in Iceland 😂

[London Wanderer]

Just now, royal white said:

Looking forward to the next World Cup in Iceland 😂

😂

Iceland, Scotland and the Faroes. Now there’s a World Cup 👌

 Right I’m done with politics. Think I’ll stick to the ‘football’ thread for a bit. 

 

[Spider]

Just now, London Wanderer said:

😂

Iceland, Scotland and the Faroes. Now there’s a World Cup 👌

 Right I’m done with politics. Think I’ll stick to the ‘football’ thread for a bit. 

 

James McLean likes this

[Winchester White]

37 minutes ago, Spider said:

James McLean likes this

Who's James McLean?

[Spider]

4 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Who's James McLean?

He’s a footballer who refuses to engage with any political symbolism at the footy.

Shoulder to shoulder with Bolty and co.

 

[Winchester White]

7 minutes ago, Spider said:

He’s a footballer who refuses to engage with any political symbolism at the footy.

Shoulder to shoulder with Bolty and co.

 

Ah OK, is he the fella who doesn't like poppies?

[Spider]

27 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Ah OK, is he the fella who doesn't like poppies?

he just doesn’t want politics to interfere with his football.

Much like some of the offended lads on here.

Peas in a pod.

[DazBob]

29 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Ah OK, is he the fella who doesn't like poppies?

Yes, the same bloke hated for not wearing a poppy by men who think politics should have no place in sport.

[Zico]

2 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

I never said that it makes it alright. No doubt some players will raise these issues at the next WC. Nothing wrong with that. 

Mexico,  USA and Canada all have very different laws on homosexuality and women’s rights. It wouldn’t be a bad thing if FIFA set some sort of minimum standard for host nations.

As Souness said in that interview, nobody is perfect. 
But there is overwhelming evidence that thousands did die to build those stadiums. Despite your eagerness to believe the Qatari state figure.
That’s just not the case for 2026. Nobody is saying a country needs to be squeaky clean. But asking for the bare minimum will only improve the game. 
 

Re America and Women's rights take a look at the abortion laws, backwards cunts

[royal white]

Think Barnesy pretty much nails it here 

 

 

[Spider]

3 hours ago, DazBob said:

Yes, the same bloke hated for not wearing a poppy by men who think politics should have no place in sport.

James McLean is a visionary, in essence.

A trailblazer who is admired and revered by likeminded chaps who are very opposed to politics in football.

As Bolty would say: #JeSuisJamesMcLean

 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

4 hours ago, DazBob said:

Yes, the same bloke hated for not wearing a poppy by men who think politics should have no place in sport.

How’s a Remembrance Day poppy political? Stupid post alert. 

Edited November 26, 2022 by Mounts Kipper

[Spider]

12 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

How’s a Remembrance Day poppy political? Stupid post alert. 

War isn’t political?

ooooookkkkkaayyyyyy

[DazBob]

15 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

How’s a Remembrance Day poppy political? Stupid post alert. 

Is saying that bumming should be allowed political?

Edited November 26, 2022 by DazBob

[Spider]

14 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

How’s a Remembrance Day poppy political? Stupid post alert. 

How is being gay political?

[Spider]

I’m off for a REALLY big bag of popcorn

[bolty58]

9 hours ago, Winchester White said:

Ah OK, is he the fella who doesn't like poppies?

I see the ginger ninja is committed to continuing with this childish line of attack?

Still, if it keeps him off shit and piss................