Last I heard, it was court tomorrow

 

ST and Lies reported 3, including Heathcotes mob

 

KA said that was old news, leaving 2

 

 

Now, I can see HMRC is definitely a club issue,but the other is Sport Shield

 

If we assume KA can deal with HMRC debt - I'd have been happier if he had sorted that one already, tbf- that 'just' leaves SS and blumarble

 

If the court agrees to wind up SS, do we know what that means and also the impact on BWFC

Edited May 21, 20179 yr by Casino

So if you don't even know if he wants to sell the ground or not why has the ST made a concerted effort to publically imply that he is?

 

 

Show me where this has been implied...?

He's

 

 

I don't know what comments he's made ...but I can assure you he's definitely not anti BWFC... this guy travels the length and breadth of this country watching the whites...and I mean.... even Scotland for friendlies...

We've all been to Scotland for friendlies.

Morning Mike

 

Given criticism of the Trust has been poor communication, and you've said yourself that holding down real-world jobs and ST positions is hard, can I ask why you got rid of your social media/comms guy, choosing instead to handle everything yourselves? Do you think, in hindsight, this was a mistake? Finally, do you think you'll look to bring someone in to carry out that role? I reckon it would make a huge difference in how the group is perceived.

I'd like a comment on the potential the ACV has for making securing loans or investment against the club assets more difficult. Given that is almost certainly what is required and several experts reckon an ACV often lowers the value of the asset in question and also in real practical terms makes borrowing against it more difficult....Has the ST properly taken advice on this and secondly consulted Ken in advance to see what business implications this may have before proceeding?

Show me where this has been implied...?

 

Here you go - from your very own mouth -

 

My understanding is (I'm the same as any other fan on here when it comes to this type of thing)  the  ACV  prevents a secret sale, it doesn't however prevent or restrict any future financing, its there to protect the stadium from being sold off..

 

Supporters Direct, who's advice we took regarding this, will be giving an independent view on how an ACV can impact a club and why it is important for a club like ours to have this safeguard,

 

I for one, and I'm sure everybody on here... would not want to be left in a situation like Coventry...!

 

 

...and that isn't scaremongering?

 

 

 

Yet now you tell us that he may not even wish to be selling the ground at all!

Morning Mike

 

Given criticism of the Trust has been poor communication, and you've said yourself that holding down real-world jobs and ST positions is hard, can I ask why you got rid of your social media/comms guy, choosing instead to handle everything yourselves? Do you think, in hindsight, this was a mistake? Finally, do you think you'll look to bring someone in to carry out that role? I reckon it would make a huge difference in how the group is perceived.

Do you think Suffy be up for that job.????

Morning Mike

 

Given criticism of the Trust has been poor communication, and you've said yourself that holding down real-world jobs and ST positions is hard, can I ask why you got rid of your social media/comms guy, choosing instead to handle everything yourselves? Do you think, in hindsight, this was a mistake? Finally, do you think you'll look to bring someone in to carry out that role? I reckon it would make a huge difference in how the group is perceived.

 

 

We didn't get rid of Johnny, he got a new job  (I think it was with adidas) which took him around Europe and felt he couldn't commit the time needed...I was gutted he left, it was me who recruited him after he filled in an 'Expression of interest form' at that first meeting...and although we were sometimes at odds with one or two of his tweets, (which I think was more of a generational thing).. he was brilliant and current, which is what we wanted.

 

he was also a big part of our early success and a massive loss when he left... 

 

I'd love to bring in someone... we've spoke about this on numerous occasions... so if there is anybody out there who thinks they could fill that role, we'd be very interested to hear from them....

Nothing in what I've said suggested anything like that...I, nor any of the ST board members have any ambition what so ever of owning or running this club, we barely have the time to run the trust, let alone a club.. (we all work full time)

 

All we want to do is to preserve the club, so we can carry on doing what some have us have been doing for the last forty odd years... traveling to up and down the country to support BWFC... oh... and also make sure our home games remain at the macron..

I find the suggestion that the trust haven't any desire to run the club a bit ridiculous. Given several times those involved with the trust have expressed a desire to run it. Including yourself on twitter.

 

The trust also tried to buy the club from ED, and further tried to buy 10% off Ken Anderson.

Nothing in what I've said suggested anything like that...I, nor any of the ST board members have any ambition what so ever of owning or running this club, we barely have the time to run the trust, let alone a club.. (we all work full time)

 

All we want to do is to preserve the club, so we can carry on doing what some have us have been doing for the last forty odd years... traveling to up and down the country to support BWFC... oh... and also make sure our home games remain at the macron..

 

How can you deliver that we do remain at the Macron then unless you either own the club, or the ground, or both?

 

 

...what bothers me is that its always the innocent supporters who suffer the consequences... History will tell you that its nearly always bad management that causes football clubs to fail, but that's no comfort for me when I'm having to travel to Barnsley (63m) every other week to see my teams home games..and the 'bad management' have moved on to pastures new...

 

Here you go - from your very own mouth -

 

 

...and that isn't scaremongering?

 

 

 

Yet now you tell us that he may not even wish to be selling the ground at all!

 

 

Sluffy... you can pick out what ever sentence you want and fit it into which ever agenda your currently working on...

 

Lets get this out of the way.... I'm on here as josh8..(my internet username for the last 20yrs) first and foremost I'm the same as 99% of other posters on here...a bwfc supporter, who just so happens to be a Supporters Trust board member... and as such I speak for myself and not on behalf of the trust....

I

Like I said before...I don't mind coming on here and answering as many questions as I can...obviously there will be some I cant..but I'll try to be as straight as I can...you can dissect and infer whatever you like... 

Well josh8 I think you are coming across well and well done in coming into the lions den.

 

My one question for you is:

As a trust supporter, are you an enemy of the club?

Well josh8 I think you are coming across well and well done in coming into the lions den.

 

My one question for you is:

As a trust supporter, are you an enemy of the club?

The pertinent question is are you an enemy of KA? Sorry Mike that's the real question fans want the answer to as a lot think you and the Trust has an anti KA agenda.

Josh.

 

Serious question given the Trust is a new thing what are the lessons you have learnt and what are the say 3 things you would do different know.

 

Was,as seemed the case, the ST in discussions with Deano at all ?

 

Stuffy can you avoid commenting on every other post on this thread please ? It is clear there is some history here and that will stop this being a useful debate. No offence.

Thanks for coming on, Josh

I find the suggestion that the trust haven't any desire to run the club a bit ridiculous. Given several times those involved with the trust have expressed a desire to run it. Including yourself on twitter.

 

The trust also tried to buy the club from ED, and further tried to buy 10% off Ken Anderson.

 

 

The trust has never expressed an interest to buy the club, and I have never stated anything like that to anybody either on twitter or privately...lets be realistic here...the trust could never raise the kind of money needed to run a club like ours

 

What really happened was the trust was approached by a local Consortium who wanted to bring together a number of High net-worth individuals, along with a couple of institutions to make a local community bid for the club,(on a similar lines to the Portsmouth model)  which would allow supporters to raise capital through the ST and purchase a stake in this Model... like Swansea, Portsmouth, Wimbledon and many other clubs... 

 

Don't forget, the vultures where circling as the club was on its knees... the Judge in the winding up proceeding had run out of patience with the club and HMRC where confident that we where going to be the example to all other clubs throughout the country and be the first since Accrington Stanley to be liquidated

 

After meeting the High-networths, the institution (who I'm not at liberty to name, but can assure you they where serious and pledged big money) and the consortium, it was decided that the community partnership would be led by the ST,

 

I might point out here, the inclusion of the Supporters Trust was actually a condition of the 2 main institutions and as such it was decided that the ST seek preferred bidder status, the problem we had was that we where prevented from disclosing the full facts surrounding this, which left us open to the ridicule we received and the perception that the ST wanted to own or run the club, this was never on the cards... we would merely have had a small stake in our club, which is something I think all supporters should have and is the ultimate objective of all ST's..(as set out in the ST model rules).

 

It was also stated to Trevor Birch that due to the amount of debt left in the club, this model could only ever go forward if the club went into Administration, as  Eddie was adamant he wasn't going to allow the club to go into Admin, our involvement and perceived owner ship bid came to an end...

 

 

Was the community partnership a good idea ?.... I think so.

 

Where we naive ...?    yes

 

Was Preferred bidder status a good idea...?    I don't think so

 

Does the trust have any ambitions of running or owning the club...?  definitely not

 

Would the trust like a stake in the club...?    definitely

Edited September 24, 20178 yr by josh8

Why has it taken so long for this sort of communication and why do it via a forum and not under your own banner? There are obviously a good few readers here but I would bet more are sat at home wondering why they rarely hear from you. Might be worth publicising these facts. If you want any help in doing that I'd be happy to oblige.

 

Also, have you ever eaten at Bella Italia?

Edited September 24, 20178 yr by Kane57

Straight forward and in layman's terms. Cheers

 

Keep Izza as your legal counsel and fucking miles away from any front line communications and you might have a chance of winning some of the support back.

The pertinent question is are you an enemy of KA? Sorry Mike that's the real question fans want the answer to as a lot think you and the Trust has an anti KA agenda.

 

 

Definitely not... I think I can speak for all the trust board and congratulate KA for getting the club to this point on limited resources...he's basically done what an administrator would have been paid thousands for... 

 

I'm a business man so I know what Ken has had to do to get us from where we where to were to where we need to be,..

 

There's no Anti Ken, Anti BWFC or Anti anything... We're all pro Bolton Wanderers... I can't think of anything we've said that would lead people to think we're Anti Ken...?

I don't have a problem with the fact that the trust don't communicate much, as is the way with KA for example. I don't expect an instant response when people have work/life commitments.

 

However, given how fast they are to jump on any bad news then this creates the perhaps false impression that you are anti-BWFC. This is exacerbated by the people I named previously, every one seems smug, arrogant, detached from our actual fans. This to me seens the worst possible position to find yourselves in.

 

Ken has fucked you off now. You'd have to be crazy to get involved with the ST at this stage. For me, you are done.

Definitely not... I think I can speak for all the trust board and congratulate KA for getting the club to this point on limited resources...he's basically done what an administrator would have been paid thousands for... 

 

I'm a business man so I know what Ken has had to do to get us from where we where to were to where we need to be,..

 

There's no Anti Ken, Anti BWFC or Anti anything... We're all pro Bolton Wanderers... I can't think of anything we've said that would lead people to think we're Anti Ken...?

Theres praise. There damning with faint praise. And theres that.

Thanks Josh, you have told me all I need to know about the ST's position.

Enjoying all this.

 

Like has been said above fair play for coming on here and like Carlos said my advice would be to distance yourselves from the shit stiring whoppers on twitter like firth, Phil shortland and all their chums calling the owners asset strippers on a daily basis and making up complete bollocks without any basis.

 

It's them that spoil it for the trust. Izza comes across negative towards the owners and I still don't understand why.

 

One question for you.

 

Are you happy with the current ownership and work they have done so far?

All this tripe about Firth and Bower - neither have anything to do with the Trust apart from being members. This is another internetism that has become accepted truth.

All this tripe about Firth and Bower - neither have anything to do with the Trust apart from being members. This is another internetism that has become accepted truth.

They are all vocally pro trust and against the clubs current owners. All the ACV is banded about between them so it's understandable why folk connect them.

 

The trust biggest problem is they come across as negative.

 

People don't want division.

Yeah so why would Mike comment on them? He can't control what people say any more than you or I can. In any scenario there'll be pro and anti types - I saw someone with a HUNT 2 Bolton shirt once.

Josh, in case anybody doesnt know who you are and your involvement with the trust, are you happy to tell the class?