Escobarp Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, paulhanley said: Deal or no deal, remoaners will remoan. So much is clear this last four years. That’s not my point and you well know it. No deal is disastrous for our medium term economic future. No matter which was it’s dressed up. not that I think we are heading that way anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Escobarp said: That’s not my point and you well know it. No deal is disastrous for our medium term economic future. No matter which was it’s dressed up. not that I think we are heading that way anyway I think we might need to go right to the brink of a no deal to get some sense out of the eu, that’s if Boris bottle holds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhanley Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Escobarp said: That’s not my point and you well know it. No deal is disastrous for our medium term economic future. No matter which was it’s dressed up. not that I think we are heading that way anyway Me neither. Our medium term future is only partly contingent on relationships with the EU though. Improved trading terms with many other places in the world is also important and the groundwork is being done on achieving that with results beginning to show. The Canada continuity announcement will be followed by a bespoke deal, talks with Australia are now advanced, New Zealand talks well down the line and other nations too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Just now, paulhanley said: Me neither. Our medium term future is only partly contingent on relationships with the EU though. Improved trading terms with many other places in the world is also important and the groundwork is being done on achieving that with results beginning to show. The Canada continuity announcement will be followed by a bespoke deal, talks with Australia are now advanced, New Zealand talks well down the line and other nations too. You will note my use of medium term. If we go no deal the economic shock will be severe. And not brief either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 22, 2020 Moderators Share Posted November 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said: I think we might need to go right to the brink of a no deal to get some sense out of the eu, that’s if Boris bottle holds. Nah, not having it Johnson is useless but youre not having him as the reason we end up with a shit deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I think we might need to go right to the brink of a no deal to get some sense out of the eu, that’s if Boris bottle holds. It’s why it was important it was left on the table. As well as having bottle he needs to have sense when to realise he’s obtained the best outcome and not push too far. That’s what a good negotiation is all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 What is our percentage in terms of the world's population....is it 1% ? Yet, what is our standing in the world's strongest economy ? We'll be fine, thank me later especially when the failing EU crumble as the rest of the world grows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted November 22, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: What is our percentage in terms of the world's population....is it 1% ? Yet, what is our standing in the world's strongest economy ? We'll be fine, thank me later especially when the failing EU crumble as the rest of the world grows And we reached this lofty position whilst tethered to the EU. By your reasoning, we should now move from 5th best (or 6th) up to at least 4th (or 5th) Any downwards shift can only be seen as a result of Brexit. Thank me now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted November 22, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2020 19 hours ago, Winchester White said: Well, unless you are an experienced trade expert who believes the economic benefits of leaving are real and imminent then I stand by that. I am not sure there is much if any evidence to the contrary? I am however eternally hopeful because by Christ after this year we fucking need it! No one was hoodwinked. Cases were made. We all accepted there may be an initial dip, but as to the future, then every opportunity. Thankfully the economic disaster that would follow immediately after an out vote was proven not to be true. Despite the best efforts of the hoodwanker of the exchequer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted November 22, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2020 6 hours ago, Spider said: We all know a deal is coming But it’s all about the details. Look at the Canada deal. Exactly the same as the eu deal. So no worse, no better - just erm, the same. It no good saying “we got a deal” then finding out it’s worse than what we had before, which many suspect it will be. Peace in our time. I have a fax in my pocket. You've just said its the same deal (which it is briefly) and the next sentence say it will be worse. Dear me. Anyway, it is possible that the current arrangement is fine for both parties. However they have agreed to continue to work on a more specific arrangement for next year, so perhaps they envisage something even better. The statement is there for us all to see, so why the contrary statement fro yourself- almost sounds like you want things to be worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted November 22, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: You've just said its the same deal (which it is briefly) and the next sentence say it will be worse. Dear me. Anyway, it is possible that the current arrangement is fine for both parties. However they have agreed to continue to work on a more specific arrangement for next year, so perhaps they envisage something even better. The statement is there for us all to see, so why the contrary statement fro yourself- almost sounds like you want things to be worse. I was referring to the deal with the EU, the Canada deal is done now and is the same as before. The EU deal is the key. Mounts saying we have one isn’t really telling us anything. The devil is in the details.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted November 22, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Spider said: I was referring to the deal with the EU, the Canada deal is done now and is the same as before. The EU deal is the key. Mounts saying we have one isn’t really telling us anything. The devil is in the details.. Of course. Should find out fairly soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, Spider said: And we reached this lofty position whilst tethered to the EU. By your reasoning, we should now move from 5th best (or 6th) up to at least 4th (or 5th) Any downwards shift can only be seen as a result of Brexit. Thank me now. So we never did anything before the EU ? Change your blinkers and put your specs back on Spider Lineker 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted November 22, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2020 Just now, miamiwhite said: So we never did anything before the EU ? Change your blinkers and put your specs back on Spider Lineker 😃 You misspelled Thank You Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, Spider said: I was referring to the deal with the EU, the Canada deal is done now and is the same as before. The EU deal is the key. Mounts saying we have one isn’t really telling us anything. The devil is in the details.. Did you miss out a key part of what was said re that deal ? Thank me now you blind bastsrd 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 Just now, Spider said: You misspelled Thank You You don't merit any credit whatsoever Dumbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted November 22, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2020 Just now, miamiwhite said: Did you miss out a key part of what was said re that deal ? Thank me now you blind bastsrd 😄 What position were we in before joining the EU? Genuine question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Of course. Should find out fairly soon. Doubt we will people on both sides will spin it as best/worst deal that sellsout/honours the referendum. Then we will spend the next few years blaming every bad bit of economic news on Brexit or the fact the deal was compromised or it would have happened anyway. With every good bit of news being claimed by Brexit or it would have been better with a stronger/weaker/no deal or it would have happened anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Did you miss out a key part of what was said re that deal ? Thank me now you blind bastsrd 😄 He is that blind he can not see Ks at the start of words. 😁😎😘 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Spider said: What position were we in before joining the EU? Genuine question Thought you knew everything son ? Research it for yourself, lazy git. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, Ani said: He is that blind he can not see Ks at the start of words. 😁😎😘 Eh ? 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted November 22, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Thought you knew everything son ? Research it for yourself, lazy git. I did We were 7th. We improved during our time in the EU But now we should be aiming at the Japs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Spider said: I did We were 7th. We improved during our time in the EU But now we should be aiming at the Japs? And what about many years before that ? Not just the brief period before joining the trading bloc, when things were uncertain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted November 22, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2020 Just now, miamiwhite said: And what about many years before that ? Not just the brief period before joining the trading bloc, when things were uncertain I don’t see that as relevant. Mainly because it isn’t. The world has moved on since we had to build spitfires. The point remains : we chose to leave to improve our situation. And if we do, thank people like me who voted for it. If we don’t, we can’t say we weren’t warned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Spider said: I don’t see that as relevant. Mainly because it isn’t. The world has moved on since we had to build spitfires. The point remains : we chose to leave to improve our situation. And if we do, thank people like me who voted for it. If we don’t, we can’t say we weren’t warned. Yes, and the world has moved on now sunshine as proven in the figures where the EU is lagging behind. Do you really want to be a part of that plus part of a federal load of shite and EU army ? Do you honestly think the EU is going to be a major player years down the line ? If so, why did you vote leave then ? Thank me as always Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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