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[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

Rees-Mogg says dead fish are fine and happy because they’re BRITISH fish.

I must confess it made me giggle.

 

Made me smile too; they need a bit of levity from time to time to lift the mood.

He's quite good at it.

[bolty58]

15 hours ago, Spider said:

I’ll come and go as I please.

This was a sovereign forum last time I checked 😁

Bolty shows us the way on such matters.

You need to take smaller doses.

[Spider]

27 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

You need to take smaller doses.

You said you were leaving

Thankfully you didn’t.

This echo chamber needed some sanity and I’m a decent chap so thought I’d oblige.

[bolty58]

16 hours ago, Spider said:

You said you were leaving

Thankfully you didn’t.

This echo chamber needed some sanity and I’m a decent chap so thought I’d oblige.

Patience dear. Patience.

[miamiwhite]

This is what negotiations with 27 member states does, as opposed to us dealing direct with the supplier. hence why we were ahead of the EU in the queue to receive the vaccine, as discussed previously on this thread.

Is that a Basil Brush moment yet again 🤔 😉 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55666399

[miamiwhite]

For comparison....

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52380823

[Ani]

9 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

This is what negotiations with 27 member states does, as opposed to us dealing direct with the supplier. hence why we were ahead of the EU in the queue to receive the vaccine, as discussed previously on this thread.

Is that a Basil Brush moment yet again 🤔 😉 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55666399

The EU and its members do seem slow on this. Why did Holland as detailed in your other link take days longer to start their programme? The other link you posted is a better argument. This link is more about supplier delays rather than the EU. It details that Norway and Canada are also caught up in the Pfizer issues  as we will be according to the article below  

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55685148

Edited January 16, 2021 by Ani

[miamiwhite]

2 hours ago, Ani said:

The EU and its members do seem slow on this. Why did Holland as detailed in your other link take days longer to start their programme? The other link you posted is a better argument. This link is more about supplier delays rather than the EU. It details that Norway and Canada are also caught up in the Pfizer issues  as we will be according to the article below  

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55685148

I've no idea mate, thankfully I'm nothing to do with the snail like EU  😀 

[miamiwhite]

9 hours ago, Ani said:

The EU and its members do seem slow on this. Why did Holland as detailed in your other link take days longer to start their programme? The other link you posted is a better argument. This link is more about supplier delays rather than the EU. It details that Norway and Canada are also caught up in the Pfizer issues  as we will be according to the article below  

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55685148

Hearing a rumour the EU are having a vote to join the UK now 😀 

[Guest]

 

 

Ed Davey MP 

 

 

 

@EdwardJDavey

· Jul 3, 2020

The PM must confirm that the UK will take part in the EU vaccine plan. This is no time for silly Brexit games.

[miamiwhite]

5 hours ago, boltondiver said:

 

 

Ed Davey MP 

 

 

 

@EdwardJDavey

· Jul 3, 2020

The PM must confirm that the UK will take part in the EU vaccine plan. This is no time for silly Brexit games.

They've gone quiet mate 😄 .......but but but....it's a black man who is a racist Brexiteer who did the tweet......

 

 

[Spider]

These fish botherers really need to wind their necks in:

“Many fishing communities did vote to leave but I don’t think anyone who did anticipated being constrained by documentation and restrictions that have now been thrust upon us,” Hodgson said.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-idUSKBN29N0UK?taid=600574c31a90330001f1b9a5&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

[Mounts Kipper]

4 minutes ago, Spider said:

These fish botherers really need to wind their necks in:

“Many fishing communities did vote to leave but I don’t think anyone who did anticipated being constrained by documentation and restrictions that have now been thrust upon us,” Hodgson said.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-idUSKBN29N0UK?taid=600574c31a90330001f1b9a5&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

They have a very valid point, 400 pages of documentation is ridiculous. 

[Spider]

11 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

They have a very valid point, 400 pages of documentation is ridiculous. 

400 pages of sovereignty.

Small price to pay and there were always going to be losers.

It is what it is.

 

[Sweep]

19 minutes ago, Spider said:

These fish botherers really need to wind their necks in:

“Many fishing communities did vote to leave but I don’t think anyone who did anticipated being constrained by documentation and restrictions that have now been thrust upon us,” Hodgson said.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-idUSKBN29N0UK?taid=600574c31a90330001f1b9a5&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

They can scream and shout all they want, nobody is really listening

[Spider]

and before we all start saying the vaccines we have are because we are out of the EU, think again, we always had full control of that...

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/covid-vaccine-decisions-brexit

That said, none of these successes can be chalked up to Brexit. As the chief executive of the MHRA swiftly pointed out, Mr Hancock was wrong to say that the UK could approve the vaccine early because it was no longer subject to EU rules. The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases (among others). 

Edited January 18, 2021 by Spider

[Cheese]

17 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

They have a very valid point, 400 pages of documentation is ridiculous. 

Welcome to third country status.

[Sweep]

A few are doing a protest today and driving their stinky fish lorries into London aren't they -  Between 15 & 20 lorries apparently......Oooh, that'll teach 'em.

On the plus side, they're contributing a bit of money to London with the congestion and emissions charges

 

Brexit: Fishing firms hold London protest over disruption - BBC News

[Mounts Kipper]

9 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Welcome to third country status.

Once teething problems sorted it’ll be fine. Have you been to the town hall steps yet. 🍌 

[Spider]

8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Once teething problems sorted it’ll be fine. Have you been to the town hall steps yet. 🍌 

the fishing bumpkins seem to disagree with you.

But, you're the expert, not them.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

15 minutes ago, Spider said:

and before we all start saying the vaccines we have are because we are out of the EU, think again, we always had full control of that...

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/covid-vaccine-decisions-brexit

That said, none of these successes can be chalked up to Brexit. As the chief executive of the MHRA swiftly pointed out, Mr Hancock was wrong to say that the UK could approve the vaccine early because it was no longer subject to EU rules. The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases (among others). 

There's more to it than that. Yes the eu legislation was used in British law, as are many others since the we left. Makes sense if those laws are good and sensible.

The mhra worked alongside Oxford Astra Zeneca in getting these vaccines up and running, been going on prior to the need to approve.

Whilst I agree it's not directly a brexit related issue/benefit, and jingoism certainly doesn't sit well; it is nevertheless somewhat strange that no other EU nation acted unilaterally and waited for the European approval. 

[Mounts Kipper]

6 minutes ago, Spider said:

the fishing bumpkins seem to disagree with you.

But, you're the expert, not them.

Shall we see how long it is before this issue goes away. Let’s give it a couple of weeks. 

[Spider]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

There's more to it than that. Yes the eu legislation was used in British law, as are many others since the we left. Makes sense if those laws are good and sensible.

The mhra worked alongside Oxford Astra Zeneca in getting these vaccines up and running, been going on prior to the need to approve.

Whilst I agree it's not directly a brexit related issue/benefit, and jingoism certainly doesn't sit well; it is nevertheless somewhat strange that no other EU nation acted unilaterally and waited for the European approval. 

The thing is that we could always do what we wanted.

It's another example of the EU being held aloft as an obstacle to the UK progressing or making its own decisions.

But it's easy to call these things out as they are generally bollocks.

If the EU wish to bog themselves down with red tape, they can. But we never had to do so.

[Spider]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

Shall we see how long it is before this issue goes away. Let’s give it a couple of weeks. 

They feel strongly enough to do a thousand mile round trip to moan about it.

For now, I'm assuming they know more about it than you.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, Spider said:

the fishing bumpkins seem to disagree with you.

But, you're the expert, not them.

Perhaps they should take their complaint to the eu as well. They can't even implement their own regulations equitably and consistently across their different nations.

Or maybe everyone needs to shut up moaning accept there will be bumps as countries get used to things, and do their best to grips with changes. 

As experts they understand the decimation that took place of the fleet during our membership, and that in time, much of that will return.

Indeed after 5 years, it can all be fucked off, and we can have the lot back. Though there would be repercussions.