Politics

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Shall we see how long it is before this issue goes away. Let’s give it a couple of weeks. 

The blokes they're interviewing today on the radio seem to think it's big problem. Still, nobody gives a toss, the public haven't cared about fishing for the last 50 years, and don't care now. Even if the issue doesn't "go away" in a few weeks, nobody will really care enough for it to get any airtime on radio or TV

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

The thing is that we could always do what we wanted.

It's another example of the EU being held aloft as an obstacle to the UK progressing or making its own decisions.

But it's easy to call these things out as they are generally bollocks.

If the EU wish to bog themselves down with red tape, they can. But we never had to do so.

Missing the point, why are they (individual countries) still doing so?

Perhaps going it alone would reep the wrath in some other way? 🤔 

Maybe then be excluded from EU contracts to supply vaccines?

Who knows?

 

[Spider]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Perhaps they should take their complaint to the eu as well. They can't even implement their own regulations equitably and consistently across their different nations.

Or maybe everyone needs to shut up moaning accept there will be bumps as countries get used to things, and do their best to grips with changes. 

As experts they understand the decimation that took place of the fleet during our membership, and that in time, much of that will return.

Indeed after 5 years, it can all be fucked off, and we can have the lot back. Though there would be repercussions. 

Doesn't affect me so I don't give a shit what happens to them. I just get the impression that they're making a lot of noise for an issue that will be sorted in 2 weeks (c. Mounts Kipper)

They may be better spending their time repairing nets or singing The Wellerman for a fortnight.

 

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Missing the point, why are they (individual countries) still doing so?

Perhaps going it alone would reep the wrath in some other way? 🤔 

Maybe then be excluded from EU contracts to supply vaccines?

Who knows?

 

You're right, we'll never know.

For now, let's just be happy that we're leading the way, and long may it continue. I think we're all wise enough though to know it doesn't matter how well you start, it's how well you finish. We're miles ahead of the EU on vaccinations today, doesn't mean that we will be in a few months time - I suspect that we will be, but you never know

[Spider]

Farage is notable by his absence, and there was a time when he mentioned fishing on a daily basis and you couldn't move for media scrums as he had promos made of himself with jolly sailors, throwing British Fish into the Thames.

[Sweep]

13 minutes ago, Spider said:

Farage is notable by his absence, and there was a time when he mentioned fishing on a daily basis and you couldn't move for media scrums as he had promos made of himself with jolly sailors, throwing British Fish into the Thames.

When he was an MEP, he was part of the EU Fisheries Committee*, so you'd think he'd be quite interested and vocal about it. 

 

*from memory he also only turned up to about 1 meeting out of 50 that were held whilst he was MEP, so maybe he wasn't all that interested in reality

Edited January 18, 2021 by Sweep

[Tonge moor green jacket]

But it doesn't stop you adding to the continued enlarging ot the issues by those with an axe to grind. None of us are experts, but your selective postings on the subject portray you as someone who thinks he is a bit of one, in much the same way you suggest mounts is, but on the opposite side.

I watched the minister being questioned in parliament over this. Quite a long, heavy session. A hell of a lot being done to help individual companies to get used to new rules, but it will take time, particularly where spurious issues arise.

What was notable was how the issues were much larger when presented by the SNP in particular. Frankly political posturing and slanging whilst achieving nothing.

We're in the midst of a pandemic, which slowed the negotiations to get here, and will slow companies efforts throughout the whole economy. 

Just 2 weeks into it but we're now in a 3rd world country. 

Nowt like giving all these experts time to get the issues resolved and move on.

 

[Spider]

“Selective postings”

Where did I put my Boom Box? 😁

Edited January 18, 2021 by Spider

[Winchester White]

Farage couldn't give a curly shite about fisherfolk, he just did his usual pantomime theatrics to make the news and bang his anti EU drum. And it worked.

Most folk don't really care about fishing, unless of course your entire town or village relies on it then it becomes your every waking hour. They must be shitting it right now.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

11 minutes ago, Sweep said:

You're right, we'll never know.

For now, let's just be happy that we're leading the way, and long may it continue. I think we're all wise enough though to know it doesn't matter how well you start, it's how well you finish. We're miles ahead of the EU on vaccinations today, doesn't mean that we will be in a few months time - I suspect that we will be, but you never know

Aye.

Saw a few minutes of Zahawi before the select Committee (13th) this morning.

Prior to that 2 bods from AZ. Were on. They wouldn't commit exactly to production levels; there have been problems initially with batch failures and low yields, but these are continually being ironed out and improvements made. The suggestion being that rates will continue to grow. The also wont specify daily amounts and give delivery details for security reasons.

Hence why we're only going to get daily figures for actual vaccinations.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, Spider said:

“Selective postings”

Where did I put my Boom Box? 😁

Feel free then to put a balanced review of the situation up for discussion. 

Perhaps watch the experts on the matter giving evidence as to what measures are being taken to resolve issues.

The only way to really make a rational judgement- and 2 weeks is too soon to do so.

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Farage couldn't give a curly shite about fisherfolk, he just did his usual pantomime theatrics to make the news and bang his anti EU drum. And it worked.

Most folk don't really care about fishing, unless of course your entire town or village relies on it then it becomes your every waking hour. They must be shitting it right now.

Agree with that. They could and should have the opportunity now though to sell their properties, which will be worth a fortune, to people with a decent bit of disposable income and then move inland to somewhere that has a bit of a more viable industry. Let's get this industry consigned to the bin, lease out our fishing grounds to the EU, which will bring in some cash, and get those fisherfolk silenced once and for all. 

I'd certainly be interested in buying a cottage somewhere scenic like Mevagissey, once they've got rid of the fishing

[Spider]

3 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Agree with that. They could and should have the opportunity now though to sell their properties, which will be worth a fortune, to people with a decent bit of disposable income and then move inland to somewhere that has a bit of a more viable industry. Let's get this industry consigned to the bin, lease out our fishing grounds to the EU, which will bring in some cash, and get those fisherfolk silenced once and for all. 

I'd certainly be interested in buying a cottage somewhere scenic like Mevagissey, once they've got rid of the fishing

Sea shanties are having a brief, viral resurgence.

They could all form sea shanty quartets and roam the nation's real ale dens (when they open) and regale beardy, craft ale types with their close harmony singing about krakens, mermaids, sodomy and drinking piss.

Brexit is about adaptability.

Edited January 18, 2021 by Spider

[deane koontz]

16 minutes ago, Spider said:

Farage is notable by his absence, and there was a time when he mentioned fishing on a daily basis and you couldn't move for media scrums as he had promos made of himself with jolly sailors, throwing British Fish into the Thames.

The foremost grifter of our time. Wonder what'll be next for him?

[Mounts Kipper]

22 minutes ago, deane koontz said:

The foremost grifter of our time. Wonder what'll be next for him?

He’s fronting new reform/ change party.

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

He’s fronting new reform/ change party.

It'll be interesting to  see what they're all about - you would think, now that he's achieved his aim, that he'd be a busted flush now. I can't see what on earth he could stand on now that would engage the public. Although, I'm sure plenty enough are pissed off with the two main partys, so maybe there is room for an alternative.

Whilst I'm no fan of his, I'd very much like to see him in the HoC (as long as it wasn't representing my constituency) as I can see him absolutely murdering Johnson on a regular basis

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

Welcome to third country status.

And vaccine land

[Sweep]

6 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

And vaccine land

isn't that Israel at the minute?

[DirtySanchez]

20 minutes ago, Sweep said:

It'll be interesting to  see what they're all about - you would think, now that he's achieved his aim, that he'd be a busted flush now. I can't see what on earth he could stand on now that would engage the public. Although, I'm sure plenty enough are pissed off with the two main partys, so maybe there is room for an alternative.

Whilst I'm no fan of his, I'd very much like to see him in the HoC (as long as it wasn't representing my constituency) as I can see him absolutely murdering Johnson on a regular basis

He’s got it in for cycle lanes at the moment 

[Ani]

See none of the Brexiteers have commented on the truckers having their cheese and ham butties confiscated ? 
 

Project Fear ? I think not  

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

Farage couldn't give a curly shite about fisherfolk, he just did his usual pantomime theatrics to make the news and bang his anti EU drum. And it worked.

Most folk don't really care about fishing, unless of course your entire town or village relies on it then it becomes your every waking hour. They must be shitting it right now.

can someone sum this up succinctly for me?

the fish aren't going anywhere - so what is the issue?

UK fisherman catch them - and want to sell them - can they sell them to the UK? can they not sell them to the EU?

[Cheese]

2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Once teething problems sorted it’ll be fine. Have you been to the town hall steps yet. 🍌 

No. What for?

[jmjhb]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Farage is notable by his absence, and there was a time when he mentioned fishing on a daily basis and you couldn't move for media scrums as he had promos made of himself with jolly sailors, throwing British Fish into the Thames.

So long, and thanks for all the fish?

[Farrelli]

35 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

can someone sum this up succinctly for me?

the fish aren't going anywhere - so what is the issue?

UK fisherman catch them - and want to sell them - can they sell them to the UK? can they not sell them to the EU?

Many smaller fishing businesses particularly in Scotland rely on selling to the EU.  At the moment they cannot do this due to red tape and problems with new paperwork. 

Our government did not make provision for this in the deal they agreed.  Boris says this is just teething problems. Consequently some fishermen will try and land their catch in Denmark to remain solvent.  

[Zico]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

Many smaller fishing businesses particularly in Scotland rely on selling to the EU.  At the moment they cannot do this due to red tape and problems with new paperwork. 

Our government did not make provision for this in the deal they agreed.  Boris says this is just teething problems. Consequently some fishermen will try and land their catch in Denmark to remain solvent.  

if countries in the EU want to buy our fish, they should meet in a moonlit cove somewhere and do some old school smuggling