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[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, Spider said:

Well he’s definitely removed fish from his CV 😊

From a previous speech of his, he certainly has no affection for molluscs. That may extend to mackerel et al.

[Sweep]

@Spider I've just had a meeting about "Inward Process Releif"  -  fucking hell it's complex.........don't know if your guys have looked at it yet

[Traf]

23 minutes ago, Sweep said:

@Spider I've just had a meeting about "Inward Process Relief"

Prostate massage?

[Spider]

4 hours ago, Sweep said:

@Spider I've just had a meeting about "Inward Process Releif"  -  fucking hell it's complex.........don't know if your guys have looked at it yet

Nope

 

Spent most of the day being told by Bulgarians and Greeks that they are cancelling all UK deliveries for the forseeable future.

Bulgarians and fucking GREEKS.

The hauliers are just not prepared to lose money having to deal with the border shit.

I don't give a fuck whose fault it is anymore, I just wish it wasn't 2021.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Where is the weight of the paperwork- with the suppliers or hauliers?

Presumably, if so many are pausing deliveries, that reduces demand at the ports, so it might not be quite so bad?

[MickyD]

21 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

From a previous speech of his, he certainly has no affection for molluscs. That may extend to mackerel et al.

Jamie Pollock

 

[Spider]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Where is the weight of the paperwork- with the suppliers or hauliers?

Presumably, if so many are pausing deliveries, that reduces demand at the ports, so it might not be quite so bad?

Hauliers.

It's not about demand, it's the sheer weight of shit involved according to our european brethren

I'm not making this up, you'll just have to trust me on that.

Plus, there are some things around tax/VAT on both sides that are unknown by - seemingly - everyone in certain industries.

It may not be attributable to every  industry, I just know ours is really getting hit. And for no good reason. It's still the same fucking metal it was in December.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

10 minutes ago, Spider said:

Hauliers.

It's not about demand, it's the sheer weight of shit involved according to our european brethren

I'm not making this up, you'll just have to trust me on that.

Plus, there are some things around tax/VAT on both sides that are unknown by - seemingly - everyone in certain industries.

It may not be attributable to every  industry, I just know ours is really getting hit. And for no good reason. It's still the same fucking metal it was in December.

If its with the hauliers, can't they just increase prices temporarily- if companies need to buy stuff, they will have to pass costs on?

As for the specifics of the deal and quirky rules that change from product to product- its no great surprise: both parties will be trying to get their preferences in, and may give ground on others. Apparently they were even negotiating down to specific fish species. Nature of the beast, unfortunately. 

I did look at the section of the gov.uk website a while back that deals with new trading opportunities. In some places (in Africa) minerals/metals were mentioned.

Some way off yet obviously, but opening up to the world may pay dividends in the long run.

What's the availability of copper etc from recycling old stuff?

[Spider]

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

If its with the hauliers, can't they just increase prices temporarily- if companies need to buy stuff, they will have to pass costs on?

As for the specifics of the deal and quirky rules that change from product to product- its no great surprise: both parties will be trying to get their preferences in, and may give ground on others. Apparently they were even negotiating down to specific fish species. Nature of the beast, unfortunately. 

I did look at the section of the gov.uk website a while back that deals with new trading opportunities. In some places (in Africa) minerals/metals were mentioned.

Some way off yet obviously, but opening up to the world may pay dividends in the long run.

What's the availability of copper etc from recycling old stuff?

We cannot use recycled copper for a number of reasons , not least of which being that there its availability accounts for 1% of demand.

I'm sure this will all get sorted eventually, but that could be months. Price increases are already happening - we've ncreased our prices 20% since November to cover it all. We aren't making any more money, it's simply additional costs being passed on to the UK consumer.

Let me put it this way - if you upgraded your heating this time last year and it cost you £5k for example, you did well. The same upgrade would now cost you north of £6k.

Price rises are a healthy and normal part of all business. But ones of this nature are dangerous and damaging.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Only 1%!

Kinell, where is all the old stuff going?

[Sweep]

37 minutes ago, Spider said:

Plus, there are some things around tax/VAT on both sides that are unknown by - seemingly - everyone in certain industries

That's also causing us some headaches. It needs sorting quickly.

As a company, we've taken the decision today to not accept any orders from companies in NI, as its just too difficult as things stand. We're going to review it again at the end March, when hopefully the situation has improved.

In all honesty its only chicken feed business, probably not £200K per month, it's really not worth the hassle at the minute

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Only 1%!

Kinell, where is all the old stuff going?

I read recently that we need Xm Tonnes of steel every year and we recycle the same amount

[MickyD]

Is China still pushing the cost of recycled copper up? I heard from a scrapper that any metal other than iron/steel is being shipped to the Far East.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I read recently that we need Xm Tonnes of steel every year and we recycle the same amount

Yes, seen that. Self sufficient in scrap- we need to invest in and expand new technology- electric arc furnaces, to replace older technologies that use coal and also require certain amount of iron to produce new steel from old.

New tech, is better all round but is relatively small scale.

Surprising that so little copper is available from recycled products.

Probably all down the pikey camp in the village. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Is China still pushing the cost of recycled copper up? I heard from a scrapper that any metal other than iron/steel is being shipped to the Far East.

May well be true. New legislation going through parliament to do with trade deals etc, may well have an effect on such trade: aims to prevent uk companies dealing with countries guilty of humanitarian crimes; like China.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Yes, seen that. Self sufficient in scrap- we need to invest in and expand new technology- electric arc furnaces, to replace older technologies that use coal and also require certain amount of iron to produce new steel from old.

New tech, is better all round but is relatively small scale.

Surprising that so little copper is available from recycled products.

Probably all down the pikey camp in the village. 

The new owner of British Steel (could be wrong) is setting out to do just that.

Sounds highly logical to me

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

The new owner of British Steel (could be wrong) is setting out to do just that.

Sounds highly logical to me

Sounds great.

On a slightly different note: chief executive of Unilever UK on the box this morning: they're going to stop dealing with any company that doesn't pay the living wage. Policy to come into force in a couple of years or so.

 

[Sweep]

8 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

aims to prevent uk companies dealing with countries guilty of humanitarian crimes; like China.

I'm not sure anybody will be trying to stop UK firms dealing with China. Our economy would collapse overnight if that happened

[Ani]

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Sounds great.

On a slightly different note: chief executive of Unilever UK on the box this morning: they're going to stop dealing with any company that doesn't pay the living wage. Policy to come into force in a couple of years or so.

 

Be interesting how that works on a worldwide basis, sure they deal with plenty of places that pay under £10 per hour  

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Sweep said:

I'm not sure anybody will be trying to stop UK firms dealing with China. Our economy would collapse overnight if that happened

Its not designed specifically for that. Its a general commitment to not allow uk companies to benefit from activity with nations guilty of genocide. 

Been a very complicated bill, with lots of mps wanting to go further- Ian Duncan Smith particularly prominent in wanting the UK to start pushing back. A lot was based around allowing the courts to decide on what constituted genocide, and potentially being able to make trade policy, whereas others believe strongly that its the duty of Parliament. 

A trade commission has already been set up, and all deals will be subject to parliamentary scrutiny.

Like I said, its very complex. Might be worth a gander though, just in case there may be ramifications for you.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, Ani said:

Be interesting how that works on a worldwide basis, sure they deal with plenty of places that pay under £10 per hour  

UK companies. 

[Sweep]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Might be worth a gander though, just in case there may be ramifications for you.

I might take a look when I get time. It'll have no ramifications for me, as well continue to trade with China as we always have done, unless the Government want to kill near enough every single UK manufacturer and risk Sterling being trashed by China dumping the c20% of all UK debt they own. Its a nice idea I suppose, but nothing will happen.

They'll probably make some sort of token effort and put some sanctions on business from somewhere like Myanmar, and then try and claim a moral high ground..... Whilst still expanding trade with the likes of China and Saudi Arabia

 

 

[Sweep]

10 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

UK companies. 

Might this not encourage them to take trade from the UK and move it offshore.

 

For what is worth I think all UK companies should be paying a "living wage" I really do, I don't know how it's worked out though, as really it should take into account where you actually live 😁

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I might take a look when I get time. It'll have no ramifications for me, as well continue to trade with China as we always have done, unless the Government want to kill near enough every single UK manufacturer and risk Sterling being trashed by China dumping the c20% of all UK debt they own. Its a nice idea I suppose, but nothing will happen.

They'll probably make some sort of token effort and put some sanctions on business from somewhere like Myanmar, and then try and claim a moral high ground..... Whilst still expanding trade with the likes of China and Saudi Arabia

 

 

Can see the tricky balancing act; but the large number of Conservative mps behind trying to get the government to get tougher was quite surprising. I think it may be the start of something bigger- especially now Biden is in.

Be interesting to see how he reconciles his humanitarian views with economic growth.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, Sweep said:

Might this not encourage them to take trade from the UK and move it offshore.

 

For what is worth I think all UK companies should be paying a "living wage" I really do, I don't know how it's worked out though, as really it should take into account where you actually live 😁

It may well do- it was the Chief exec of Unilever UK in fairness, presumably the rest will be doing likewise. 

They didn't question him too much, no time, but I get your point: perhaps it applies to companies all over- not sure how some would demonstrate their pay levels, as some countries might not specify what a living wage is.