Guest Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, kent_white said: I can't see the SNP finding another leader like Nicola Sturgeon in a hurry. Politically I'm probably aligned more closely with her than many other UK politicians. And she's always seemed very competent. But I'm passionate about the union and would hate to see it break up. Plus I love a good political scandal. And all of this seems to have been times perfectly. Dirty tricks all over the place! 😁 She isn’t competent, far from it Quote
Spider Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 How are we defining nationalism? I just want to get ahead of any potential flash points. Thanks. Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 28, 2021 Author Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, mickbrown said: Let em go then. It's going to happen sooner or later The majority of Scottish people are sound, lovely people. If you check your stats, the majority of people didn't vote for her rabid Nationalists in 2014, they purely won the vote of those who did turn out. Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 28, 2021 Author Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, boltondiver said: She isn’t competent, far from it Education, health, drugs, vaccine being major instances. Quote
Guest Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, miamiwhite said: Education, health, drugs, vaccine being major instances. But interesting how smart people, like Kent, are conned. Spin and lies go a long way in politics. Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 28, 2021 Author Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Spider said: How are we defining nationalism? I just want to get ahead of any potential flash points. Thanks. What she is threatening to do re telling the EU the info on our vaccine supplies is akin to certain other Nationalists who told the SS about having Jewish neighbours. She is literally putting lives at risk. Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 28, 2021 Author Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, boltondiver said: But interesting how smart people, like Kent, are conned. Spin and lies go a long way in politics. Exactly mate, she has more spin than Shane Warne Quote
Spider Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 Nationalism is generally defined as : ”identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.” Quote
mickbrown Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, boltondiver said: But interesting how smart people, like Kent, are conned. Spin and lies go a long way in politics. Kinell. 🙂 Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 25 minutes ago, kent_white said: I can't see the SNP finding another leader like Nicola Sturgeon in a hurry. Politically I'm probably aligned more closely with her than many other UK politicians. And she's always seemed very competent. But I'm passionate about the union and would hate to see it break up. Plus I love a good political scandal. And all of this seems to have been times perfectly. Dirty tricks all over the place! 😁 Kinell, she's that far left of you, she's a winger on an adjacent pitch. Quote
Spider Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: What she is threatening to do re telling the EU the info on our vaccine supplies is akin to certain other Nationalists who told the SS about having Jewish neighbours. She is literally putting lives at risk. All fair points Can we stick a pin in that whilst I just establish if nationalism is good or bad? Id rather be ahead of this particular curve. Quote
Guest Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Spider said: Nationalism is generally defined as : ”identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.” Add “hatred” and you’ve got her Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 28, 2021 Author Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Kinell, she's that far left of you, she's a winger on an adjacent pitch. Kent was "redpilled" moons ago mate 😉 Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 28, 2021 Author Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Spider said: All fair points Can we stick a pin in that whilst I just establish if nationalism is good or bad? Id rather be ahead of this particular curve. Bad mate, very bad indeed. She is dangerous and manipulative. If she had the button, God help us. Thankfully, the only button she has is tickled by her French chick. Quote
Spider Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, boltondiver said: Add “hatred” and you’ve got her 👍 But moving away from Sturgeon for a moment, is nationalism itself a good thing, or a bad thing? Quote
Spider Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, miamiwhite said: Bad mate, very bad indeed. She is dangerous and manipulative. If she had the button, God help us. Thankfully, the only button she has is tickled by her French chick. You know my next question... Quote
Guest Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, Spider said: 👍 But moving away from Sturgeon for a moment, is nationalism itself a good thing, or a bad thing? Bad Quote
Not in Crawley Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 This focus on Sturgeon is slightly misplaced. It's fascinating how the SNP because a socially liberal movement, very different from most nationalist parties hence their success. This article from 2015 explains the change better than I ever could. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/21/how-alex-salmond-nicola-sturgeon-pulled-off-political-triumph-lifetime Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 28, 2021 Author Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said: This focus on Sturgeon is slightly misplaced. It's fascinating how the SNP because a socially liberal movement, very different from most nationalist parties hence their success. This article from 2015 explains the change better than I ever could. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/21/how-alex-salmond-nicola-sturgeon-pulled-off-political-triumph-lifetime Totally different now fella. So much has happened since then. Quote
Spider Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, boltondiver said: Bad Cheers. So how do you separate nationalism from desiring independence? Using an example - Let’s say Brexit - is wanting independence and nationalism not basically the same thing? Quote
Not in Crawley Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 Also this is worth a listen. Surgeon isn't the only Scottish nationalist view and some of the slightly.less tubthumbing Pro independence views get an airing https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000r35m Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 28, 2021 Author Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Spider said: You know my next question... I don't mate Quote
Not in Crawley Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, miamiwhite said: Totally different now fella. So much has happened since then. Erm.... I suggest you have a read of things other than twitter. Quote
Not in Crawley Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Spider said: Cheers. So how do you separate nationalism from desiring independence? Using an example - Let’s say Brexit - is wanting independence and nationalism not basically the same thing? It's sovereignty innit. Not being told by those bureaucrats in Westminster, I mean Brussels.... Oh knickers. Quote
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