Politics

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

Erm.... I suggest you have a read of things other than twitter.

I was in Scotland twice a month before Scotland and have many friends there. I witness things first hand.

That is where my opinions come from thank you,

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, miamiwhite said:

I was in Scotland twice a month before Scotland and have many friends there. I witness things first hand.

That is where my opinions come from thank you,

Oh OK then. 

Fucking hell. 

 

[miamiwhite]

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

It's sovereignty innit. Not being told by those bureaucrats in Westminster, I mean Brussels....

Oh knickers.

And who would rule Scotland if they gained the 'independence' they want so much but ironically joined the EU ?

[Spider]

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

It's sovereignty innit. Not being told by those bureaucrats in Westminster, I mean Brussels....

Oh knickers.

I’m interested to see how Scottish independence can be viewed as nationalism, and what Brexit is viewed as in the same context.

 

[Spider]

Just now, miamiwhite said:

And who would rule Scotland if they gained the 'independence' they want so much but ironically joined the EU ?

They’d be a republic, for sure

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, miamiwhite said:

And who would rule Scotland if they gained the 'independence' they want so much but ironically joined the EU ?

You mean who would they elect?

[Ani]

16 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

What she is threatening to do re telling the EU the info on our vaccine supplies is akin to certain other Nationalists who told the SS about having Jewish neighbours.

She is literally putting lives at risk.

??? Really ? 
 

You mean the schedule of supplies ? 
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-every-uk-adult-could-be-vaccinated-by-mid-july-if-these-figures-are-anything-to-go-by-12188909

 

Like she did before ? I see the UK Govt might not want it sharing, but not sure publishing data is the same as providing information for people to be shipped off to concentration camps ! 
 

As an aside if you see the charts in there it does seem that the drop in vaccines about now was expected  

 

[miamiwhite]

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

Oh OK then. 

Fucking hell. 

 

Honestly fella, seen it change so much up there and sadly for the worse.

The Justice Minister did the hate crime bill, yet stood openly on a march with a once banned group and serious xenophobes. There's a video on here regarding that march too and the group.

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

??? Really ? 
 

You mean the schedule of supplies ? 
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-every-uk-adult-could-be-vaccinated-by-mid-july-if-these-figures-are-anything-to-go-by-12188909

 

Like she did before ? I see the UK Govt might not want it sharing, but not sure publishing data is the same as providing information for people to be shipped off to concentration camps ! 
 

As an aside if you see the charts in there it does seem that the drop in vaccines about now was expected  

 

Did you not see it earlier ? She is threatening to tell the EU info about our supplies. All on here a couple of pages back.

[miamiwhite]

5 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

You mean who would they elect?

My apologies, I meant they would be answerable to Brussels.

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Did you not see it earlier ? She is threatening to tell the EU info about our supplies. All on here a couple of pages back.

Jesus Christ. We're not at war. The EU aren't our enemy.

[Ani]

1 minute ago, miamiwhite said:

Did you not see it earlier ? She is threatening to tell the EU info about our supplies. All on here a couple of pages back.

Yeah she did it before and it got withdrawn but Sky used the data for that article. 
You are comparing that to nazi collaborators in the war ? 

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

Yeah she did it before and it got withdrawn but Sky used the data for that article. 
You are comparing that to nazi collaborators in the war ? 

She has done it again today.

My comparison is lives are at risk if we don't get our vaccines, simple as that.

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Spider said:

Cheers.

So how do you separate nationalism from desiring independence?

Using an example - Let’s say Brexit - is wanting independence and nationalism not basically the same thing?

Using Scotland as an example;

She doesn’t want independence 

She wants to be separate from England.

Evidence; she wants to join another Union, thereby subsuming sovereignty.

Different people will have different reasons for voting in/out. Some might have voted out for nationalistic reasons. Others, you included, voted out for other reasons.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Jesus Christ. We're not at war. The EU aren't our enemy.

We might be theirs, though.

[miamiwhite]

4 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Jesus Christ. We're not at war. The EU aren't our enemy.

She shouldn't be discussing confidential contracts which could cost lives, simple as that.

[mickbrown]

Just now, boltondiver said:

We might be theirs, though.

You're getting more bonkers as the evening progresses

[Ani]

2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

She has done it again today.

My comparison is lives are at risk if we don't get our vaccines, simple as that.

Hmmm I do not like her doing it, but probably not the best comparison mate. 

[Guest]

Just now, mickbrown said:

You're getting more bonkers as the evening progresses

You should read what they are saying, it isn’t friendly.

[kent_white]

Just now, miamiwhite said:

She shouldn't be discussing confidential contracts which could cost lives, simple as that.

Why is she bothering at all though? 

What's in it for her if she does? Has Scotland been short changed or something?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, mickbrown said:

You're getting more bonkers as the evening progresses

You’re not questioning my mental health, I hope?

🤪

[Spider]

So Scottish Nationalism = Bad.

British nationalism = Good

Just now, boltondiver said:

Using Scotland as an example;

She doesn’t want independence 

She wants to be separate from England.

Evidence; she wants to join another Union, thereby subsuming sovereignty.

Different people will have different reasons for voting in/out. Some might have voted out for nationalistic reasons. Others, you included, voted out for other reasons.

Not quite true.

They want independence.

There is no guarantee they would join the EU (which will be a defunct entity in a few years anyway, by some accounts).

Independence is independence regardless of who you wish to separate from. America. Former Soviet states. Former Yugoslav states.

All wanted sovereignty and the ability to self govern.

Brexit, as defined by itself, was the same.

Nationalism is “bad”

Ergo, Brexit is “bad”

Just maybe, nationalism is too strong a definition for either.

 

[Guest]

Just now, Spider said:

So Scottish Nationalism = Bad.

British nationalism = Good

Not quite true.

They want independence.

There is no guarantee they would join the EU (which will be a defunct entity in a few years anyway, by some accounts).

Independence is independence regardless of who you wish to separate from. America. Former Soviet states. Former Yugoslav states.

All wanted sovereignty and the ability to self govern.

Brexit, as defined by itself, was the same.

Nationalism is “bad”

Ergo, Brexit is “bad”

Just maybe, nationalism is too strong a definition for either.

 

She says that she wants to join the EU, whether they let her in is another matter.

She detests England.

[Ani]

Nationalism in terms of being proud of how you are, where you come and what your country achieves is fine. 
 

So I am really that I live in a country that has produced the only vaccine in the world that offers a way out of the shit we are all leaving through and we have committed to supplying this to the poorest nations of the world .

Hating, mistrusting and belittling people not from here is fucking rubbish  

[miamiwhite]

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

So Scottish Nationalism = Bad.

British nationalism = Good

Not quite true.

They want independence.

There is no guarantee they would join the EU (which will be a defunct entity in a few years anyway, by some accounts).

Independence is independence regardless of who you wish to separate from. America. Former Soviet states. Former Yugoslav states.

All wanted sovereignty and the ability to self govern.

Brexit, as defined by itself, was the same.

Nationalism is “bad”

Ergo, Brexit is “bad”

Just maybe, nationalism is too strong a definition for either.

 

What's their name stand for ? I think that gives a big clue.