Sweep Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, boltondiver said: We are right up there Our R&D in renewables is up there with the best, we do a lot of work with it - and it'll be a huge money spinner no doubt, I'm not sure it'll translate into loads of manufacturing here in the UK at all though, the main aim of the companies we deal with, and certainly those talking about energy storage, is to develop something and then license it out, so they can just take royalties. We're working with several energy storage (battery, for want of a better expression) companies here in the UK, and it's pretty interesting stuff There is a thought though that Electric Cars will be a flash in the pan, and themselves will be obsolete within 10-15 years......Hydrogen Fuel Cell's are what we're going to use moving forward, so I'm told, although @Escobarpprobably/possibly knows better then me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Spider said: We didn't ask Cadbury's to make Spitfires did we? I'm not surprised after their efforts with the fireguards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Spider said: We're a long way behind when it comes to Heat Pumps. All imported from the far east, Europe and Scandinavia. I don't know of anyone willing to set up in the UK. An Irish manufacturer were planning to do so but have now increased their factory in Ireland instead. Solar is still (and will always be) a limited option in the UK anyway. Wind farms etc.. may be different, but I don't know much about them. The problem is always going to be that it's cheaper to import from the far east than set up here - hence the reason people are getting giddy about the Trading Bloc dealing Liz Truss is working on. Catch. 22. an ideal opportunity for somebody to set up a factory making heatpumps then isn't it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 17, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sweep said: Our R&D in renewables is up there with the best, we do a lot of work with it - and it'll be a huge money spinner no doubt, I'm not sure it'll translate into loads of manufacturing here in the UK at all though, the main aim of the companies we deal with, and certainly those talking about energy storage, is to develop something and then license it out, so they can just take royalties. We're working with several energy storage (battery, for want of a better expression) companies here in the UK, and it's pretty interesting stuff There is a thought though that Electric Cars will be a flash in the pan, and themselves will be obsolete within 10-15 years......Hydrogen Fuel Cell's are what we're going to use moving forward, so I'm told, although @Escobarpprobably/possibly knows better then me Exactly We innovate well, and have some of the best minds in the world here in the UK The problem is the cheap labour needed to manufacture on a large scale simply isn't here. Minimum wages put paid to that. The only way we could really have a chance is to have tariffs on imports. But we don't like those. We like free trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 17 minutes ago, Sweep said: Like TVR production, that won't happen either Remains to be seen, in the link below Fiduciam are keen to help, and work has now started on the plant https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/work-starts-new-tvr-sports-19710400 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, Sweep said: Our R&D in renewables is up there with the best, we do a lot of work with it - and it'll be a huge money spinner no doubt, I'm not sure it'll translate into loads of manufacturing here in the UK at all though, the main aim of the companies we deal with, and certainly those talking about energy storage, is to develop something and then license it out, so they can just take royalties. We're working with several energy storage (battery, for want of a better expression) companies here in the UK, and it's pretty interesting stuff There is a thought though that Electric Cars will be a flash in the pan, and themselves will be obsolete within 10-15 years......Hydrogen Fuel Cell's are what we're going to use moving forward, so I'm told, although @Escobarpprobably/possibly knows better then me Are these anything like the ones ? I've genuinely no idea, but saw the link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Remains to be seen, in the link below Fiduciam are keen to help, and work has now started on the plant https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/work-starts-new-tvr-sports-19710400 The worry is, I'd say that they still need £25M (which is absolutely fuck all) and they can't seem to raise it. This project has been talked about for five or six years and it's still not really any further forward. I'd suggest that the fact that the article says "If the TVR project doesn't materialise, then the Welsh Government will seek to find another occupier" probably tells us all we need to know. Fingers crossed that the facility is needed by somebody if/when it's finished, as I'll be very surprised if it's used to produce cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, Sweep said: Our R&D in renewables is up there with the best, we do a lot of work with it - and it'll be a huge money spinner no doubt, I'm not sure it'll translate into loads of manufacturing here in the UK at all though, the main aim of the companies we deal with, and certainly those talking about energy storage, is to develop something and then license it out, so they can just take royalties. We're working with several energy storage (battery, for want of a better expression) companies here in the UK, and it's pretty interesting stuff There is a thought though that Electric Cars will be a flash in the pan, and themselves will be obsolete within 10-15 years......Hydrogen Fuel Cell's are what we're going to use moving forward, so I'm told, although @Escobarpprobably/possibly knows better then me I flagged it earlier in this discussion today mate that Volvo and ourselves had entered into a JV focused on hyrdogen fuel cell technology for commercial vehicles. massive investment into it as it’s the way forward. It’s the only way that commercial vehicles are going to work in reality and cars will follow suit. If we can develop something market leading on this then I’m sure it will be worth a tickle on the shares front as well gents. I shall keep you abreast of it if I hear anything worthwhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 17, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Escobarp said: Why doesn’t your company diversify and capture the EV tech market in the Uk. Massive opportunity there. Give over. Couldn't have a good MOAN then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sweep said: The worry is, I'd say that they still need £25M (which is absolutely fuck all) and they can't seem to raise it. This project has been talked about for five or six years and it's still not really any further forward. I'd suggest that the fact that the article says "If the TVR project doesn't materialise, then the Welsh Government will seek to find another occupier" probably tells us all we need to know. Fingers crossed that the facility is needed by somebody if/when it's finished, as I'll be very surprised if it's used to produce cars Yes, the top of the article doesn't give much hope, though the Fiduciam spokesman at the end of the article is keen. Let's hope it does as they're claiming to have an order book of £40million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 17, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Spider said: We are already set up for different products. I'm referring to all the shiny new factories and fully trained operatives we don't currently have. We didn't ask Cadbury's to make Spitfires did we? https://www.osv.ltd.uk/a-brief-history-of-peugeot/#:~:text=When did Peugeot start making,1882 along with other bicycles. Where there's no will, there's no way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Are these anything like the ones ? I've genuinely no idea, but saw the link Yes, similar, I know of Riversimple, I've done some work with them.............you should do a full credit check on them, if you want a good laugh. There is more chance of a TVR rolling off a production line in Wales than one of their efforts. It wouldn't be a surprise to see them swallowed up by Siemens and then have their IP stripped, before closing them down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 31 minutes ago, Spider said: We're a long way behind when it comes to Heat Pumps. All imported from the far east, Europe and Scandinavia. I don't know of anyone willing to set up in the UK. An Irish manufacturer were planning to do so but have now increased their factory in Ireland instead. Solar is still (and will always be) a limited option in the UK anyway. Wind farms etc.. may be different, but I don't know much about them. The problem is always going to be that it's cheaper to import from the far east than set up here - hence the reason people are getting giddy about the Trading Bloc dealing Liz Truss is working on. Catch. 22. Something on the wind farms here, all I know is you're one windy fucker 😑 https://www.insider.co.uk/news/uk-renewable-energy-firm-secures-23507964 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 17, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: https://www.osv.ltd.uk/a-brief-history-of-peugeot/#:~:text=When did Peugeot start making,1882 along with other bicycles. Where there's no will, there's no way. We’ve started making lawnmowers. They’re £34,000 each but they’re British if I can tempt you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sweep said: Yes, similar, I know of Riversimple, I've done some work with them.............you should do a full credit check on them, if you want a good laugh. There is more chance of a TVR rolling off a production line in Wales than one of their efforts. It wouldn't be a surprise to see them swallowed up by Siemens and then have their IP stripped, before closing them down. Are they that bad 😄 Like I say, genuinely have no idea about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 @Sweepsiemens et al will be basically speculating to the tune of 150m that it might come to something big which would be worth multiples more. Suspect a lot of these smaller niche companies will find the big players pumping money into JV’s with them in the hope of striking it lucky. And then as you highlight they will whip the rug out from under them cut throat world and this is the future so someone somwhere is going to make unreal amounts of money if they can develop something cutting edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 17, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2021 28 minutes ago, Spider said: We’ve started making lawnmowers. They’re £34,000 each but they’re British if I can tempt you? Your pricing is out. Unless its a 5 gang or some such, which is not what I need. Contact local councils with your product line, "spider mowers- with MOAN technology " a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Your pricing is out. Unless its a 5 gang or some such, which is not what I need. Contact local councils with your product line, "spider mowers- with MOAN technology " a winner. Spider should be mown down when I see the whining tart 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 56 minutes ago, Spider said: Exactly We innovate well, and have some of the best minds in the world here in the UK The problem is the cheap labour needed to manufacture on a large scale simply isn't here. Minimum wages put paid to that. The only way we could really have a chance is to have tariffs on imports. But we don't like those. We like free trade. It isn’t that we like free trade because we like free trade. We like it because it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 17, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Spider should be mown down when I see the whining tart 😃 Daft as it may sound, there may be an opening for more manufacturing in this country for landscaping and maintenance equipment. And farm machinery as the green revolution takes hold. Also sure I remember some research with little "weed bots" being used to trundle along between rows of veg and zap weeds. Electric things removing the need for herbicides. A sweep/spider combo, maybe an offshoot of the sex toy industry, with "Weedmaster" the farmer's friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: Daft as it may sound, there may be an opening for more manufacturing in this country for landscaping and maintenance equipment. And farm machinery as the green revolution takes hold. Also sure I remember some research with little "weed bots" being used to trundle along between rows of veg and zap weeds. Electric things removing the need for herbicides. A sweep/spider combo, maybe an offshoot of the sex toy industry, with "Weedmaster" the farmer's friend. Sounds good mate, but Spider likes to moan a lot, live in the past and not look into the future😉 He wouldn't be good mates with Michael J Fox, though I've heard they both have the shakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Daft as it may sound, there may be an opening for more manufacturing in this country for landscaping and maintenance equipment. And farm machinery as the green revolution takes hold. Also sure I remember some research with little "weed bots" being used to trundle along between rows of veg and zap weeds. Electric things removing the need for herbicides. A sweep/spider combo, maybe an offshoot of the sex toy industry, with "Weedmaster" the farmer's friend. Bill and Ben give a 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Also sure I remember some research with little "weed bots" being used to trundle along between rows of veg and zap weeds. Electric things removing the need for herbicides. Already working on something quite similar to this, not based on little robots, but not too far away. It's a really clever company up near Hull who have designed and prototyped it....they've just sold the production rights to a company based in Ningbo, and they're waiting for the initial pre-production run. It's designed more for Vineyards to be honest, and it can detect changes in the soil and/or atmosphere and then reacts by accordingly, by either raising temperature if required or short electric "shocks" to prevent pests settling. It does a whole host of other bits as well that is expected to massively increase yield rates. Proper clever stuff Edited February 17, 2021 by Sweep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 17, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2021 Sounds right that sweep. Can't remember if it had a little laser to zap the weed or some other device. Be great to get one and release it on customers' borders whilst I have a brew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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