What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

It's amazing where people get their narrative from.

 

That's just like listening to Laura K.

 

The real world contains other elements, such as record employment, increasing investment by SMEs , investment by European companies and the lowest unemployment for 40 years.

 

In the real world, it's not all doom and gloom. Yes, there are issues, but there's plenty of opportunity.

 

You're right. It is "amazing where people get their narrative from".

 

Please can you expand on all those positives and provide your sources.

Thanks for being my window into the 'real world'. Now you've opened my eyes I can see the land of milk and honey which exists all around me.

 

Are you having 'record employment' and the lowest unemployment for 40 years' as two separate plus points?

 

 

I did say there were issues.

 

They are seperate plus points, which is why I included them both. When last we had such low unemployment, there were fewer in work.

 

Here, take a look

 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/376768/Historical_labour_market_statistics.pdf

Do you remember about two years ago I mentioned that what JC would do is shift the centre ground more towards the left. Well I think that's exactly what has happened - the whole nature of the debate has changed and him becoming PM is now a very real possibility - no matter what you think of him.

 

If he shifts his message slightly toward the centre - he'll be a shoe in. Whether he will or not is a different matter entirely.

 

The tories have fucked up massively. They've managed to lose the big Trump card that they held (ie that they're a safe pair of hands with the economy). They're managing to fuck up Brexit beyond all recognition. Despite being a red I wanted them to get on and do it and they've proved massively incapable. And the alternatives to TM? Jacob Rees Mogg or Boris? Give me a fucking break!

 

A shambles all around.

He’s not though, what has happened is he’s energised those already on the left to getting a higher percentage of those put to support him (such as the traditionally lower voting under 25s) that segment is now saturated, to grow and become PM the centre ground (which hasn’t shifted) needs to believe in his credibility as a leader, which they don’t yet.

 

That’s not just my opinion, I don’t have one either way, that’s just what the current research and polling says. Which is still pointing to a hung parliament.

 

It’s all out there available to read if you want to.

Better start looking for a safe Tory seat soon then that she could stand in

Alec Douglas-Home became Prime Minister whilst not being an MP. Davidson-Calman could do the same.

He’s not though, what has happened is he’s energised those already on the left to getting a higher percentage of those put to support him (such as the traditionally lower voting under 25s) that segment is now saturated, to grow and become PM the centre ground (which hasn’t shifted) needs to believe in his credibility as a leader, which they don’t yet.

That’s not just my opinion, I don’t have one either way, that’s just what the current research and polling says. Which is still pointing to a hung parliament.

It’s all out there available to read if you want to.

Some perceptive and informed posts from yourself on this thread today. See what you can do young man when you are not looking down your nose at us great unwashed?

He’s not though, what has happened is he’s energised those already on the left to getting a higher percentage of those put to support him (such as the traditionally lower voting under 25s) that segment is now saturated, to grow and become PM the centre ground (which hasn’t shifted) needs to believe in his credibility as a leader, which they don’t yet.

 

That’s not just my opinion, I don’t have one either way, that’s just what the current research and polling says. Which is still pointing to a hung parliament.

 

It’s all out there available to read if you want to.

Which is why I pointed out that he'd need to shift his message to the centre. It's all out there available to read if you want to.

I did say there were issues.

 

They are seperate plus points, which is why I included them both. When last we had such low unemployment, there were fewer in work.

 

Here, take a look

 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/376768/Historical_labour_market_statistics.pdf

Fair enough. I'd imagine those new figures are heavily influenced the number of zero hours contracts however.

Fair enough. I'd imagine those new figures are heavily influenced the number of zero hours contracts however.

 

 

Probably

 

Are zero hours all bad?

It's amazing where people get their narrative from.

 

That's just like listening to Laura K.

 

The real world contains other elements, such as record employment, increasing investment by SMEs , investment by European companies and the lowest unemployment for 40 years.

 

In the real world, it's not all doom and gloom. Yes, there are issues, but there's plenty of opportunity.

Sadly, it seems the norm the knock anyone in authority. Media focus far more on image and superficial nothings than anything else.

Probably

 

Are zero hours all bad?

Depends who you ask I suppose? I doubt they'll do much to close the inequality gap in the long term.

Sadly, it seems the norm the knock anyone in authority. Media focus far more on image and superficial nothings than anything else.

 

 

Indeed

 

I was at a breakfast with the Chief Exec of Lloyds this morning and, despite the issues (uncertainty over Brexit, for example), the resilience of business and the country is astonishing.

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Alec Douglas-Home became Prime Minister whilst not being an MP. Davidson-Calman could do the same.

So she could be in the House of Commons without having a seat in Parliament?

Fair enough. I'd imagine those new figures are heavily influenced the number of zero hours contracts however.

That's a fair point; there is undoubtedly a lot of part time/lower paid stuff, but its better than no jobs I suppose. Hopefully that side of things will improve.

Indeed

 

I was at a breakfast with the Chief Exec of Llyds this morning and, despite the issues (uncertainty over Brexit, for example), the resilience of the business and the country is astonishing.

 

What exactly was it that 'astonished' you? Please expand.

Depends who you ask I suppose? I doubt they'll do much to close the inequality gap in the long term.

 

 

Aah, the inequality gap.

 

Another well worn cliche, like "(relative) poverty"

 

Just people looking for something to justify their "research"

Aah, the inequality gap.

 

Another well worn cliche, like "(relative) poverty"

 

Just people looking for something to justify their "research"

 

 

Please provide counter arguments instead of simply dismissing facts.

Resilience of business. Was a fairly simple sentence. You don't have to believe it cheese, that's your choice, but if he does go further you'll keep on with your usually tack.

 

Get some fuckin bacon down you, and chill the fuck out.

Which is why I pointed out that he'd need to shift his message to the centre. It's all out there available to read if you want to.

I’m not sure what you’re pointing me to, other than your past opinions?

 

His policies are endorsed by many who would t vote for him under competence and leadership. His social policies aren’t the issue for the centreground. In fact, it shows they never have been (although interestingly the interest in immigration has waned somewhat)

 

This competence issue is a real problem, considering the size of the swing needed. To be fair to Corbyn though, it’s always a problem for the Labour Party generally. They need to work in this over the next couple of years to stand any chance. But as I say, all GE are a gamble, things can happen, but at the moment it’s still be a hung parliament as there has been no real shift of the centre ground in the UK, other than Scotland which has moved towards a form of liberal nationalism.

Aah, the inequality gap.

 

Another well worn cliche, like "(relative) poverty"

 

Just people looking for something to justify their "research"

Are you suggesting that the gap between the rich and the poor is decreasing?

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Edited October 5, 20178 yr by Sweep

So she could be in the House of Commons without having a seat in Parliament?

By definition no. Douglas-Home was a member of the House of Lords and not an MP when he became Prime Minister.

Resilience of business. Was a fairly simple sentence. You don't have to believe it cheese, that's your choice, but if he does go further you'll keep on with your usually tack.

 

Get some fuckin bacon down you, and chill the fuck out.

 

Ah, so when asked what "resilience of business" means, simply repeating 'resilience of business' is the answer. A recently familiar form of logic.

Alec Douglas-Home became Prime Minister whilst not being an MP. Davidson-Calman could do the same.

 

He was still in the Lords for a few days after being appointed PM.

What do you think it means then- please explain. To borrow one of your phrases.

 

Surely even for a contrary bugger, its an easy phrase to understand.

He was still in the Lords for a few days after being appointed PM.

So you're back Malc, I have been filling in for you tonight on here.