Politics

[Not in Crawley]

11 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Since the second world war there has been one party that failed to win consecutive elections.

Imagine my surprise* at discovering it was in fact the Tories and Bolty is full of shit.

*no surprise whatsoever

He's been spouting that line for years, without any truth in it whatsoever.

The bloke is politically and historically illiterate.

[MalcolmW]

18 hours ago, Spider said:

pandemics are impossible to prepare for. 

So what was Cameron's Operation Cygnus in 2016 about?

A pandemic nowadays can be expected every generation or so, due to the global village effect of modern life.

What cannot be predicted is when one will occur.

[Spider]

5 hours ago, MalcolmW said:

So what was Cameron's Operation Cygnus in 2016 about?

A pandemic nowadays can be expected every generation or so, due to the global village effect of modern life.

What cannot be predicted is when one will occur.

Careful

You’re not allowed to say that a government can and should prepare for a pandemic, or it makes folk look a bit simple

[bolty58]

19 hours ago, kent_white said:

How long did it take for the gloss to wear off last time? About a decade wasn't it? 😁

Oh, you must be wanking on about Bliar? The man who gave the world 'weapons of mass destruction'.

He was well to the right of a lot of the socialist extremists which still dominate 'your party' as a certain Chardonnay swilling ducky might allude to it as.

Fooled the people for some of the time until the inevitable fall from grace. We can thank that cunt for the rise of Islamic State and other such extremists which Saddam, Comical Ali and the gang had previously managed to suppress for a long time.

Thank fuck nobody listened to the lying bastard on the Brexit issue.

If you want to get on to time in office over the last century or so, probably best to compare red v blue before commenting. Daylight second - thankfully.

Edited April 11, 2023 by bolty58

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

Oh, you must be wanking on about Bliar? The man who gave the world 'weapons of mass destruction'.

He was well to the right of a lot of the socialist extremists which still dominate 'your party' as a certain Chardonnay swilling ducky might allude to it as.

Fooled the people for some of the time until the inevitable fall from grace. We can thank that cunt for the rise of Islamic State and other such extremists which Saddam, Comical Ali and the gang had previously managed to suppress for a long time.

Thank fuck nobody listened to the lying bastard on the Brexit issue.

If you want to get on to time in office over the last century or so, probably best to compare red v blue before commenting. Daylight second - thankfully.

I'm not 'wanking on' about anybody. I'm just pointing out that it's not always a swift return. 

I've no idea how long this Labour party would last in Government, but I do think we're due a change after this omnishambles. 

Equal and opposite reaction and all that! 😁👍

[Spider]

Tony Blair CAUSED Islamic State.

I’ll repeat that, because it’s worth doing.

Tony Blair CAUSED Islamic State.

 

[Mounts Kipper]

20 minutes ago, Spider said:

Tony Blair CAUSED Islamic State.

I’ll repeat that, because it’s worth doing.

Tony Blair CAUSED Islamic State.

 

Think you need to read the comment again.  

[Spider]

15 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Think you need to read the comment again.  

“We can thank that cunt for the rise of Islamic State” 

He was at this point talking about Tony Bliar (lol sic.)

How else should that be interpreted?

[Mounts Kipper]

11 minutes ago, Spider said:

“We can thank that cunt for the rise of Islamic State” 

He was at this point talking about Tony Bliar (lol sic.)

How else should that be interpreted?

Correctly would be a start. But I’ll leave it there. 

[Not in Crawley]

21 minutes ago, Spider said:

“We can thank that cunt for the rise of Islamic State” 

He was at this point talking about Tony Bliar (lol sic.)

How else should that be interpreted?

As I say, politically and historically illiterate. 

[Not in Crawley]

11 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Correctly would be a start. But I’ll leave it there. 

Oooh, this should be good. Please tell the class. 

I'm on holiday so I'm going to enjoy this searing insight.

[Spider]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Correctly would be a start. But I’ll leave it there. 

You’ll leave it there because you’re wrong.

I never did a Masters degree in English, but the phrase “we can thank that cunt for the rise of Islamic State” leaves very little room for ambiguity.

However, you are welcome to correct me. If you think you can.

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, kent_white said:

I'm not 'wanking on' about anybody. I'm just pointing out that it's not always a swift return. 

I've no idea how long this Labour party would last in Government, but I do think we're due a change after this omnishambles. 

Equal and opposite reaction and all that! 😁👍

Accept the last two paragraphs sir. In a duopoly (which is essentially what we have - centrist politics is fucking useless), there is no doubt government becomes stale after too long in office. Happened down here with John Howard - best PM I have lived under other than matchless Maggie. Had to go eventually as they all do.

Definitely time for your reminders to get a go. I say reminders because that is what they always do. Remind everybody that voting for them is simply the political equivalent of colonic irrigation. You do it only to clear out any remnants of obstinate shit and then get back to blue normality as soon as is possible.

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, Spider said:

Tony Blair CAUSED Islamic State.

I’ll repeat that, because it’s worth doing.

Tony Blair CAUSED Islamic State.

 

You do struggle don't you? Play with the little 'uns for a while longer before trying to play in the big boys yard.

The removal of Saddam Hussein was the catalyst for the rise of Islamic State. Do you refute this?

If you don't then, who is to blame for the removal of Saddam? Blair and Bush.

Might be beyond your comprehension. Get back to the coco pops.

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

You’ll leave it there because you’re wrong.

I never did a Masters degree in English, but the phrase “we can thank that cunt for the rise of Islamic State” leaves very little room for ambiguity.

However, you are welcome to correct me. If you think you can.

 Don't. Just don't.

[Ani]

13 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

You do struggle don't you? Play with the little 'uns for a while longer before trying to play in the big boys yard.

The removal of Saddam Hussein was the catalyst for the rise of Islamic State. Do you refute this?

If you don't then, who is to blame for the removal of Saddam? Blair and Bush.

Might be beyond your comprehension. Get back to the coco pops.

But Bush is a Republican so the idea it is all down to Blair and the lefties is fundamentally flawed logic. 
 

As the US were the dominant partners in the war it is actually the Republicans who are responsible for ISIS by your thinking. 

[Cheese]

21 minutes ago, Ani said:

But Bush is a Republican so the idea it is all down to Blair and the lefties is fundamentally flawed logic. 
 

As the US were the dominant partners in the war it is actually the Republicans who are responsible for ISIS by your thinking. 

Not to mention he's just said Blair was "well to the right" of the majority of the Labour Party...

Breakdown of Parliamentary votes on the decision to invade Iraq:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq

 

Edited April 11, 2023 by Cheese

[Farrelli]

16 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Not to mention he's just said Blair was "well to the right" of the majority of the Labour Party...

Breakdown of Parliamentary votes on the decision to invade Iraq:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq

 

Correct, it was mostly the Lib Dem’s who urged caution and concrete proof before the invasion.

[Farrelli]

Meanwhile the Tories have failed to negotiate with Junior doctors which has resulted in many strikes this week. They are as bad with the NHS as they are with all the other public services.

[Winchester White]

I have always thought Blair was too eager to convince parliament and the population that steaming into Iraq was a good idea. However, it was put to a vote and apart from the Lib Dems it got cross party support.

In reality it was Bush's war and a terrible mistake by the US, we foolishly followed along.

[Traf]

So Blair caused ISIS to rise, but the Good Friday agreement was reached despite Blair being in power.

Let's rewrite history. 

Blair was generally an excellent PM and brown a very good Chancellor. Yes, it went to shit at the end, but that's cyclical politics for you.

[Spider]

Blair didn’t remove Saddam, the Iraqi people did.

 

[Zico]

Tony Blair looks more like he was responsible for leading Iraq to FIFA Arab Cup glory 

 

[Farrelli]

50 minutes ago, Traf said:

So Blair caused ISIS to rise, but the Good Friday agreement was reached despite Blair being in power.

Let's rewrite history. 

Blair was generally an excellent PM and brown a very good Chancellor. Yes, it went to shit at the end, but that's cyclical politics for you.

you could get a GP appointment in 48 hours when he was PM, there were rarely any strikes and most rivers weren’t polluted. Oh and they didnt allow millions of money to be corrupted to their own friends and donors. I’d love a PM who could deliver that now 😀

[Mounts Kipper]

7 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

you could get a GP appointment in 48 hours when he was PM, there were rarely any strikes and most rivers weren’t polluted. Oh and they didnt allow millions of money to be corrupted to their own friends and donors. I’d love a PM who could deliver that now 😀

I think he did a decent job on the UK economy, and I would welcome something similar from the incoming Labour party... Starmer keep the idiots quiet and we might get somewhere.    

Edited April 11, 2023 by Mounts Kipper