Politics

[Cheese]

11 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

What you saying government changing laws makes us like Korea/Russia. 

No. But giving "the Government" carte blanche to change laws because they want to enact Policies that break them would. Why bother with laws at all if that's how you think things should work? Just let "the Goverment" decide what's illegal as and when they please. They represent "the people" after all. Until they don't.

Edited July 1, 2023 by Cheese

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, Cheese said:

No. But giving "the Government" carte blanche to change laws because they want to enact Policies that break them would. Why bother with laws at all if that's how you think things should work? Just let "the Goverment" decide what's illegal as and when they please.

Government has to go through parliament, like it is with current reform bill, I’m not advocating circumventing parliament. 

[royal white]

4 hours ago, Ani said:

We can do whatever we want. The fact is the current lot have done fuck all. Let's assume @royal white is right that they're a million here illegally. That means they are unable to work and contribute in any way. We are taking on average 18 months to process them and having to put them up in barges , hotels whatever. 
I am sure anyone who has worked in any job will know if you have a blockage in any process you work to get that fixed so the process can work well. They have ignored the problem and let it build up. Absolute neglect as they have chosen to focus money and resource on the Rwanda plan. This trial will take 1000 and we will take some from them. So we no longer have 1m we have 999000 ! Why not put all that time and effort into processing the backlog? 
 

At the moment the message is get to the UK, you get at least 18 months before they start to look at you. If that was the 6 months it is meant to be that would be a bigger deterrent than knowing that 0.1% might get sent to Rwanda. 
 

Then whilst being processed you will expected to take on suitable work, which if you do not have proof of suitable qualifications picking fruit and cleaning toilets. 

Sorry, I should have been a bit clearer. Many of the million already here illegally are not waiting for asylum. They’re “off the radar”

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Government has to go through parliament, like it is with current reform bill, I’m not advocating circumventing parliament. 

So you do understand. Yet still you're complaining about Parliamentary process adhering to existing Laws, and suggesting those Laws should be changed to let the Government enact a policy that breaks them. It's not going to happen. Get over it. The Government/Home Office are not fulfilling their responsibilities. Be mad at that. Not the Law they seem eager to break for no sensible reason.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

It's not good, this

 

[Spider]

14 minutes ago, royal white said:

Sorry, I should have been a bit clearer. Many of the million already here illegally are not waiting for asylum. They’re “off the radar”

Million

Got a link?

[royal white]

12 minutes ago, Spider said:

Million

Got a link?

No I made it up. 

[Cheese]

16 minutes ago, Spider said:

Million

Got a link?

Estimated between 800k and 1.2M. Although the more damning aspect of this is most of them arrived here legally, then just fell out of the system, and the Government are doing absolutely FUCK ALL about it - whether that be giving them a legitimate immigration status or deporting them. But RoyalWhite will continue to cheer on utterly ridiculous "solutions" to a problem they created. He's one of their millions of useful idiots.

https://www.jcwi.org.uk/who-are-the-uks-undocumented-population

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[gonzo]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Estimated between 800k and 1.2M. Although the more damning aspect of this is most of them arrived here legally, then just fell out of the system, and the Government are doing absolutely FUCK ALL about it - whether that be giving them a legitimate immigration status or deporting them. But RoyalWhite will continue to cheer on utter ly non-sensical "solutions" to a problem they created. He's one of their millions of useful idiots.

https://www.jcwi.org.uk/who-are-the-uks-undocumented-population

Yeah but what would Labour do?

 

#ABB

[royal white]

15 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Estimated between 800k and 1.2M. Although the more damning aspect of this is most of them arrived here legally, then just fell out of the system, and the Government are doing absolutely FUCK ALL about it - whether that be giving them a legitimate immigration status or deporting them. But RoyalWhite will continue to cheer on utterly ridiculous "solutions" to a problem they created. He's one of their millions of useful idiots.

https://www.jcwi.org.uk/who-are-the-uks-undocumented-population

What utterly ridiculous solutions have I cheered on? 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Heaven forbid we abide by the rule of law

This kind of thing really is dangerous

[Cheese]

7 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Heaven forbid we abide by the rule of law

This kind of thing really is dangerous

Absolutely. The 'Rwanda scheme' wasn't in the Conservative manifesto in 2019. He's basically saying "An elected Government should be able to do whatever they want whether it's legal or not, because they have a mandate from the public." The fact he's a serving MP but doesn't understand how Parliament works is slightly concerning...

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[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Absolutely. The 'Rwanda scheme' wasn't in the Conservative manifesto in 2019. He's basically saying "An elected Government should be able to do whatever they want whether it's legal or not, because they have a mandate from the public." The fact he's a serving MP but doesn't understnad how it works is slightly concerning...

So basically sitting governments can only carry out what they said they would  in their manifesto? 

[Cheese]

Just now, royal white said:

So basically sitting governments can only carry out what they said they would  in their manifesto? 

No. But they can't claim a publically-backed mandate for something they didn't include in their manifesto, particularly if it means tearing up laws.

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

No. But they can't claim a publically-backed mandate for something they didn't include in their manifesto, particularly if it means tearing up laws.

Now I've got your attention what are these utterly ridiculous suggestions I’ve cheered on? 

[Cheese]

Just now, royal white said:

Now I've got your attention what are these utterly ridiculous suggestions I’ve cheered on? 

You had my attention for 10 seconds, Rwandaman. Maybe somebody else will entertain you?

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, Cheese said:

You had my attention for 10 seconds, Rwandaman. Maybe somebody else will entertain you?

Why when it was you who made the claim. 

[Traf]

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Heaven forbid we abide by the rule of law

This kind of thing really is dangerous

He's my MP and an absolute thundercunt.

[Cheese]

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[bolty58]

14 hours ago, Sweep said:

It can't be that bad surely, as, usually his own words, we've had "the next Thatcher" and somebody "Churchillian" running the show during that time, so surely everything is great. Unless he's now happy to admit, the Conservative Party (as it stands) is utter dogshit, and it's gradually worse. 

Yes I do.

Vote Reform Party.

[royal white]

Scary figures if true.

New Migration Watch UK projections (see MW514 - Record net migration and the rising demand for housing) suggest UK population on course to rise by nearly 16 million by 2046 at the present level of net migration

It would mean the need to build housing equivalent to at least 15 cities the size of Birmingham over a 25-year period
 

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-release/706/record-immigration-to-increase-uk-population-to-well-over-80-million-by-2046

[DazBob]

12 minutes ago, royal white said:

Scary figures if true.

New Migration Watch UK projections (see MW514 - Record net migration and the rising demand for housing) suggest UK population on course to rise by nearly 16 million by 2046 at the present level of net migration

It would mean the need to build housing equivalent to at least 15 cities the size of Birmingham over a 25-year period
 

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-release/706/record-immigration-to-increase-uk-population-to-well-over-80-million-by-2046

Migrationwatchuk 🤣

"This is why we campaign for significant reductions in immigration, in line with the wishes consistently expressed by three quarters of the public."

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[Spider]

7 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Yes I do.

Vote Reform Party.

I assume you’d have voted Tory these last 12 years if you were able to?

So, you are saying that voting for something can sometimes mean you made the wrong choice in the fullness of time?

You got there in the end. It looks like Aussie winters are better for your clarity of thinking.

I’ll use one of Miami’s BOOMs at this point.

💥

in fact, have 2, Sonny.

💥

[Traf]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Scary figures if true.

New Migration Watch UK projections (see MW514 - Record net migration and the rising demand for housing) suggest UK population on course to rise by nearly 16 million by 2046 at the present level of net migration

It would mean the need to build housing equivalent to at least 15 cities the size of Birmingham over a 25-year period
 

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-release/706/record-immigration-to-increase-uk-population-to-well-over-80-million-by-2046

Interest rates have risen by 4.75% in a year and a half, at this rate, they'll be at 80% in 2046.

I wouldn't set too much stall on long-term projections.

[royal white]

6 minutes ago, Traf said:

Interest rates have risen by 4.75% in a year and a half, at this rate, they'll be at 80% in 2046.

I wouldn't set too much stall on long-term projections.

Interest rates went down a few years ago when did the population last go down?