Politics

[Ani]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Scary figures if true.

New Migration Watch UK projections (see MW514 - Record net migration and the rising demand for housing) suggest UK population on course to rise by nearly 16 million by 2046 at the present level of net migration

It would mean the need to build housing equivalent to at least 15 cities the size of Birmingham over a 25-year period
 

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-release/706/record-immigration-to-increase-uk-population-to-well-over-80-million-by-2046

Doctor Who would be scary if true. 

[Casino]

Key points. England's population is ageing. In the next 25 years, the number of people older than 85 will double to 2.6 million. An ageing population might lead to the presumption that there will be an increased need for health and social care services.

 

A much bigger issue

Fortunately, immigrants are generally not a drain on the state, despite what some would have you believe

imagine being worried about an increased number of people available to fill the gaps in the labour market

[Spider]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Scary figures if true.

New Migration Watch UK projections (see MW514 - Record net migration and the rising demand for housing) suggest UK population on course to rise by nearly 16 million by 2046 at the present level of net migration

It would mean the need to build housing equivalent to at least 15 cities the size of Birmingham over a 25-year period
 

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-release/706/record-immigration-to-increase-uk-population-to-well-over-80-million-by-2046

Didn’t think you bothered with predictions?😁

[London Wanderer]

18 more Birminghams in 20 years time. Some cracking sums there from the mathematical whizz kids over at Migration Watch. Nearly as good as their EU predictions. 

Best get voting for Farage and his Reform Party. “Make Britain Great 🇬🇧” & reform the “the unaccountable civil service and the bloated BBC”. Bolty must be wetting himself with excitement reading that manifesto. 

 

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, Casino said:

Key points. England's population is ageing. In the next 25 years, the number of people older than 85 will double to 2.6 million. An ageing population might lead to the presumption that there will be an increased need for health and social care services.

 

A much bigger issue

Fortunately, immigrants are generally not a drain on the state, despite what some would have you believe

imagine being worried about an increased number of people available to fill the gaps in the labour market

My worry is where everyone going to go? One of the local Labour councillors, my old teacher as it goes, has been screaming we need more new homes. Almost 700 are being built in Little Hulton (his area) who was the first protesting about building on green belt? Yep Mr Ryan 

[ex_midlandwhite]

11 minutes ago, Casino said:

Key points. England's population is ageing. In the next 25 years, the number of people older than 85 will double to 2.6 million. An ageing population might lead to the presumption that there will be an increased need for health and social care services.

 

A much bigger issue

Fortunately, immigrants are generally not a drain on the state, despite what some would have you believe

imagine being worried about an increased number of people available to fill the gaps in the labour market

This is a big issue. Our state pensions aren't a pot that money is put into and saved for each of us. The state pension comes from money the government receives at the time. We need migration to kee the average age of the country down. Germany have good policies for this I believe.

[Casino]

Yeah, but when a brown skin kills some innocents, the whole policy gets trashed by the usuals

 

 

It is an absolute shitstorm down the tracks, this pension/care crisis

At least Bozos ready to go plan is up and running

[London Wanderer]

Whole home Air B&B lets are driving the housing crisis in Glasgow & Edinburgh far more than refugees and other immigration. Even the Mathematicians over at Migration Watch could look at the stats and work that one out.

Edited July 2, 2023 by London Wanderer

[Traf]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Interest rates went down a few years ago when did the population last go down? 

You know what I'm saying. 

I won't be drawn into the political debate as such, I'm merely saying that 25-year projections aren't often worth the paper they're written on. And not just in politics

[Sweep]

2 hours ago, royal white said:

Interest rates went down a few years ago when did the population last go down? 

1978

[RoadRunnerFan]

 

Working age population is key not overall population. Note the large cohort nearing retirement in figure 2 and the much smaller cohort approaching peak earnings just below them. 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/economicinactivity/articles/populationchangesandeconomicinactivitytrendsuk2019to2026/2023-03-03

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, Traf said:

You know what I'm saying. 

I won't be drawn into the political debate as such, I'm merely saying that 25-year projections aren't often worth the paper they're written on. And not just in politics

Can’t be healthy for the lad believing those figures. Must be living in a permanent state of fear of foreigners. 

[royal white]

24 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Can’t be healthy for the lad believing those figures. Must be living in a permanent state of fear of foreigners. 

It doesn’t matter where they’re from, what colour they are and what god they believe in. People are living longer, more people are wanting to live here. They’re facts. 

Surely you can see there’s going to be an even bigger problem than what there already is……then again.

[Spider]

41 minutes ago, royal white said:

It doesn’t matter where they’re from, what colour they are and what god they believe in. People are living longer, more people are wanting to live here. They’re facts. 

Surely you can see there’s going to be an even bigger problem than what there already is……then again.

Well we have 40 new hospitals on the horizon to look after everyone. Darling Bozza said so.

[ZiggyStardust]

6 hours ago, royal white said:

Scary figures if true.

New Migration Watch UK projections (see MW514 - Record net migration and the rising demand for housing) suggest UK population on course to rise by nearly 16 million by 2046 at the present level of net migration

It would mean the need to build housing equivalent to at least 15 cities the size of Birmingham over a 25-year period
 

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-release/706/record-immigration-to-increase-uk-population-to-well-over-80-million-by-2046

I've empahsised the important bit in bold.

The increase in uk population is pretty much at its lowest for the previous 20 years. (0.34%, it was 0.33% two years go, 0.84% in 2011).

Without the 606,000 net migration last year, the population would have decreased by 370,000.

The figures they are using assumes there would be zero population change without migration, and the whole net migration is the entire population change.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/population#:~:text=The current population of U.K.,a 0.42% increase from 2019.

^^ good place to look at historical data, and UN* Predictions.

 

* UN use all dat to predict, not just migration figures.

 

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Surely you can see there’s going to be an even bigger problem than what there already is……then again.

Yes those ‘predictions’ you posted would create a bigger problem. But they’ve shown to be nonsense. So you can probably put your feet up and relax a bit.

Clearly something needs to be done to clear the backlog and stop human trafficking. 

But the biggest issues we’re facing right now aren’t being caused by migration. And in some cases, immigration into certain sectors would help. Exaggerated shite from Migration Watch & the Rwanda only distracts from more pressing problems.
 

 

[royal white]

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

Yes those ‘predictions’ you posted would create a bigger problem. But they’ve shown to be nonsense. So you can probably put your feet up and relax a bit.

Clearly something needs to be done to clear the backlog and stop human trafficking. 

But the biggest issues we’re facing right now aren’t being caused by migration. And in some cases, immigration into certain sectors would help. Exaggerated shite from Migration Watch & the Rwanda only distracts from more pressing problems.
 

 

Surely you can see there’s problems now? 

[Casino]

Indeed

Not enough folk to fill the jobs is amongst said problems

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, Casino said:

Indeed

Not enough folk to fill the jobs is amongst said problems

Well there is but that’s another argument. 
 

 

[Ani]

44 minutes ago, royal white said:

Surely you can see there’s problems now? 

Yes an average asylum application taking 18 months. 

[Spider]

Just now, Ani said:

Yes an average asylum application taking 18 months. 

This is the core of the issue.

Nightingale hospitals were up and ready within weeks

Why can’t we set up similar units that process the boat folk within days?

(it’s a rhetorical question, I know full fucking well we can, but then they’re no good for headlines)

It can, and should, be done.

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

Yes an average asylum application taking 18 months. 

Yes because processing them faster will magically makes 1000s of houses appear 

[gonzo]

We will all be under water in 40 years time anyway.

Who gives a fuck.

 

[Cheese]

The people who are most concerned about over-population always have at least 2 kids.

 

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

The people who are most concerned about over-population always have at least 2 kids.

 

Personally I’d be more concerned about those who have kids then get fucked off by their birds resulting in single parents needing multiple bedroom houses. But hey Ho