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[BobyBrno]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Of course. Whatever it was.

😉 👍

[Cheese]

6 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Sorry , bit thick here.

when you said:

What did you mean, if you didnt mean that by leaving it would mean leaving the horizon scheme, if you think that leaving and being a member of Horizon was possible ?

Can't be both.

And how are New Zealand members, unless they joined the EU whilst no-one was looking ?

Did the Leave campaign say "Vote to Leave the EU, apart from the Horizon scheme"? Did the referendum ballot have another option that I missed?

Edited September 8, 2023 by Cheese

[ZiggyStardust]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Did the Leave campaign say "Vote to Leave the EU, apart from the Horizon scheme"?

They didnt.

Will you now answer my question ?

Or deflect, once again ?

[Cheese]

8 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

They didnt.

Will you now answer my question ?

Or deflect, once again ?

Can you phrase your question better, because this doesn't make much sense to me.

"What did you mean, if you didnt mean that by leaving it would mean leaving the horizon scheme, if you think that leaving and being a member of Horizon was possible ?"

[Farrelli]

There were members of the leave campaign saying we could stay in the single market 

[BobyBrno]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

There were members of the leave campaign saying we could stay in the single market 

There were members of both campaigns saying all sorts of shite. How long are you and others going to go on about it? 

[Farrelli]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

There were members of both campaigns saying all sorts of shite. How long are you and others going to go on about it? 

The Leave campaign was entirely built on lies. Subtle difference.

[BobyBrno]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

The Leave campaign was entirely built on lies. Subtle difference.

You really are gullible. Leave supporters lied. Remain supporters lied. Tories lie, Socialists lie.
Democracy isn’t and never will be perfect. As I’ve said many times before, it’s the best we have and it can only continue if the losers accept the result. 
I saw a guy in the pub the other day and he was upset. Said his girlfriend left him. I was sympathetic till he told me it was 6 years ago. Told him to piss off and get a life. 

[Farrelli]

3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

You really are gullible. Leave supporters lied. Remain supporters lied. Tories lie, Socialists lie.
Democracy isn’t and never will be perfect. As I’ve said many times before, it’s the best we have and it can only continue if the losers accept the result. 
I saw a guy in the pub the other day and he was upset. Said his girlfriend left him. I was sympathetic till he told me it was 6 years ago. Told him to piss off and get a life. 

Not sure what relevance your story has.  I never said lies weren’t told by all sides. The point is that the leave campaign was entirely built on lies. Have you heard of a guy called Joris Bohnson ? 

[BobyBrno]

13 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Not sure what relevance your story has.  I never said lies weren’t told by all sides. The point is that the leave campaign was entirely built on lies. Have you heard of a guy called Joris Bohnson ? 

You will see the relevance, eventually. Like everyone else .

Edited September 8, 2023 by BobyBrno

[ZiggyStardust]

16 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Can you phrase your question better, because this doesn't make much sense to me.

"What did you mean, if you didnt mean that by leaving it would mean leaving the horizon scheme, if you think that leaving and being a member of Horizon was possible ?"

Sure.

You said :

2 hours ago, Cheese said:

So you either voted Leave and didn't understand what it meant, or you knew it would mean leaving the Horizon scheme and were willing to accept that. Can't be both.

So I said :

2 hours ago, ZiggyStardust said:

So you are saying it was impossible to leave, and also be part of Horizon ?

And you replied:

2 hours ago, Cheese said:

Not at all. But that question wasn't asked on the ballot. So if you voted to Leave, you either knew that would mean leaving every EU institution, or you didn't understand/care about the complexity of the ridiculously simplified question.

So I asked a question.

You repled to TMGJ, that 

Quote

So you either voted Leave and didn't understand what it meant, or you knew it would mean leaving the Horizon scheme and were willing to accept that.

and then also agreed that leaving would not necessarily mean leaving Horizon.

So am I wondering why you thought TMGJ was de facto voting to leave Horizon, when you have stated that this is not the case.

in fact you stated 

Quote

So if you voted to Leave, you either knew that would mean leaving every EU institution, or you didn't understand/care about the complexity of the ridiculously simplified question.

My understanding of this that you believe that leaving the EU would also mean leaving every EU associated body, whilst simultaneously not having to leave every EU associated body.

Especially amusing is the inference you made that it was leavers who did not understand the situation, whilst you say we will be prohibited from eating the cake, whilst paradoxically being allowed to eat the cake.

So, despite me feeling all Maggie Tate and quote bombing, my question is simple:

Why did you infer that TMGJ voted to leave Horizon, when you state that was not the case ?

Or do you still believe that he did ?

(apologies for boring everyone else)

[DirtySanchez]

57 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Of course. Whatever it was.

Given your amazing ability to search through peoples previous posts, seems odd you can't do the same for yourself 

[Not in Crawley]

Leaving the EU has been a shit show, for the UK and for Europe. Its not something that has helped us in anyway, and I look forward to our children taking us back into the EU, when I'm a grandparent, and some of these oddballs have left the plate.

[Not in Crawley]

2 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

You really are gullible. Leave supporters lied. Remain supporters lied. Tories lie, Socialists lie.
Democracy isn’t and never will be perfect. As I’ve said many times before, it’s the best we have and it can only continue if the losers accept the result. 
I saw a guy in the pub the other day and he was upset. Said his girlfriend left him. I was sympathetic till he told me it was 6 years ago. Told him to piss off and get a life. 

Utter tosh. 

It's old man sits on a stool rubbish this.

 

[Farrelli]

https://www.bmj.com/content/382/bmj.p2068
 

It is mentioned in this article that we could have rejoined horizon sooner but we threatened to renege on the NI protocol in 2021.  It turned out we didn’t hold all the cards.

[BobyBrno]

7 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

Utter tosh. 

It's old man sits on a stool rubbish this.

 

Ok. How’s the job going as Political Education Officer at Bromley Labour? Is this part of your brief? Yet another ageist comment on a northern football club forum? 

[Cheese]

11 hours ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Sure.

You said :

So I said :

And you replied:

So I asked a question.

You repled to TMGJ, that 

and then also agreed that leaving would not necessarily mean leaving Horizon.

So am I wondering why you thought TMGJ was de facto voting to leave Horizon, when you have stated that this is not the case.

in fact you stated 

My understanding of this that you believe that leaving the EU would also mean leaving every EU associated body, whilst simultaneously not having to leave every EU associated body.

Especially amusing is the inference you made that it was leavers who did not understand the situation, whilst you say we will be prohibited from eating the cake, whilst paradoxically being allowed to eat the cake.

So, despite me feeling all Maggie Tate and quote bombing, my question is simple:

Why did you infer that TMGJ voted to leave Horizon, when you state that was not the case ?

Or do you still believe that he did ?

(apologies for boring everyone else)

EVERYONE who voted Leave voted for us to leave every EU institution, whether they understood that at the time or not. Simple as that. The fact we're now starting to rejoin them is irrelevant.

Edited September 9, 2023 by Cheese

[royal white]

Seeing videos of these daily now 

 

 

[London Wanderer]

Probably the same kind of people who have a fckin meltdown whenever the Just Stop Oil numpties block the road. Now out vandalising cameras. 

Brought in by Boris, expanded by Khan. A good example of cross party collaboration and politicians listening to the experts. There has been a 30% reduction in hospitalisations linked to lung disease since these came in. Long may it continue. 

Just need to go for the private jets and frequent flyers next. ULEZ does seem to punish the 'working man', but it's needed. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

EVERYONE who voted Leave voted for us to leave every EU institution, whether they understood that at the time or not. Simple as that. The fact we're now starting to rejoin them is irrelevant.

No, they voted to cease being a member state of the EU

Beyond that, Brexit is whatever the country wants to make it

[tomski]

19 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Probably the same kind of people who have a fckin meltdown whenever the Just Stop Oil numpties block the road. Now out vandalising cameras. 

Brought in by Boris, expanded by Khan. A good example of cross party collaboration and politicians listening to the experts. There has been a 30% reduction in hospitalisations linked to lung disease since these came in. Long may it continue. 

Just need to go for the private jets and frequent flyers next. ULEZ does seem to punish the 'working man', but it's needed. 

Just stop oil people are tits though. Tend to be posh kids or life long kids who actually just like causing shit.

Ways of doing things and their method isn’t one.

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

No, they voted to cease being a member state of the EU

Beyond that, Brexit is whatever the country wants to make it

Which involved leaving all EU institutions/collaborations... I'm not talking about 'beyond that'. I'm talking about the referendum.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Which involved leaving all EU institutions/collaborations... I'm not talking about 'beyond that'. I'm talking about the referendum.

Of course it didn't

It meant not being bound by the conditions of being a member state

Israel, Norway, and New Zealand are associate members of Horizon Europe despite not being member states of the EU

Associate membership of Horizon Europe isn't inconsistent with Brexit at all

[Cheese]

Just now, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Of course it didn't

It meant not being bound by the conditions of being a member state

Israel, Norway, and New Zealand are associate members of Horizon Europe despite not being member states of the EU

Associate membership of Horizon Europe isn't inconsistent with Brexit at all

So why did we leave them all?

[ZiggyStardust]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

So why did we leave them all?

Because, at the time of leaving, we hadnt agreed the conditions of staying in.

Which we could have done, hence voting to leave did not mean we would therefore leave all EU institutions.