Politics

[BobyBrno]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

The Tory chancellor Jeremy Hunt wrote these very words recently - 

“Conservatives believe in fiscal responsibility because we don't believe you can borrow your way to prosperity”

this flies, somewhat, in the face of the figures I posted earlier.

The Tories have overseen all that borrowing. Not Labour. Not Emperor Naruhito, not ze Germans, The Tories have.

So we can comfortably say they are shit at managing an economy. They have very little left to boast about.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/02/the-conservative-party-champion-fiscal-responsibility/

Without going into detail, how do you think the government paid for the huge amount of support during Covid and also the support given to every household in the UK for energy grants last year? 
Money really doesn’t grow on trees. It has to be borrowed. It’s the same the world over. Every country has exactly the same problem. 

 

[Spider]

6 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Without going into detail, how do you think the government paid for the huge amount of support during Covid and also the support given to every household in the UK for energy grants last year? 
Money really doesn’t grow on trees. It has to be borrowed. It’s the same the world over. Every country has exactly the same problem. 

 

Look at the numbers

covid was £400billion

we owe over a trillion. Well over.

Covid was a drop in that ocean.

and it was rising before wuhan became an issue

Spin it however you want, the self proclaimed party of fiscal responsibility is a myth. Well, this particular incarnation is at least.

We all love numbers on here. The numbers lay this Tory party bare.

[BobyBrno]

13 minutes ago, Spider said:

Look at the numbers

covid was £400billion

we owe over a trillion. Well over.

Covid was a drop in that ocean.

and it was rising before wuhan became an issue

Spin it however you want, the self proclaimed party of fiscal responsibility is a myth. Well, this particular incarnation is at least.

We all love numbers on here. The numbers lay this Tory party bare.

Debt is a world problem. Not a Tory or Labour or Lib Dem or SNP or Democrat or Republican problem.

Open your eyes. 

[Spider]

2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Debt is a world problem. Not a Tory or Labour or Lib Dem or SNP or Democrat or Republican problem.

Open your eyes. 

Bookmark this for 2025 when folk are piling in on Labour about debt.

[BobyBrno]

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

Bookmark this for 2025 when folk are piling in on Labour about debt.

I’ll give it 3 months after they get in. Liz Truss got less👍

[Spider]

Just now, BobyBrno said:

I’ll give it 3 months after they get in. Liz Truss got less👍

I’m glad to hear we’re comfortable with all the debt.

I was worried it might be an issue.

Sir Kier will be thrilled. He can quadruple the debt and just point at every other country and say “debt is a world problem” and chuck another silo of cash at something.

Phew.

[tomski]

Surely no one believes this government are fiscal? 

Yes traditionally a blue government is but these lot are clowns and have been since Cameron down.

 

[royal white]

9 hours ago, Spider said:

I’m glad to hear we’re comfortable with all the debt.

I was worried it might be an issue.

Sir Kier will be thrilled. He can quadruple the debt and just point at every other country and say “debt is a world problem” and chuck another silo of cash at something.

Phew.

Sounds like they’ve already started doing that in Birmingham 

[BobyBrno]

12 minutes ago, tomski said:

Surely no one believes this government are fiscal? 

Yes traditionally a blue government is but these lot are clowns and have been since Cameron down.

 

Depends what you mean by fiscal T. Back in 2019 we had a 9 year period of low inflation and low interest rates. The lowest in my lifetime and I’m old. It was one of the reasons, not the only reason, that they had a massive majority. Not sure what happened after that.😊

No doubt they are the worst Tory government in my experience but I’ve said before, I believe the alternative to be worse. I hope I’m wrong. Just my opinion, I doubt it will sway anyone and I wouldn’t want to. I expect Labour will win the next election. Personally, I think a small majority rather than a massive one would be preferable. 

[Spider]

6 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Depends what you mean by fiscal T. Back in 2019 we had a 9 year period of low inflation and low interest rates. The lowest in my lifetime and I’m old. It was one of the reasons, not the only reason, that they had a massive majority. Not sure what happened after that.😊

No doubt they are the worst Tory government in my experience but I’ve said before, I believe the alternative to be worse. I hope I’m wrong. Just my opinion, I doubt it will sway anyone and I wouldn’t want to. I expect Labour will win the next election. Personally, I think a small majority rather than a massive one would be preferable. 

It used to be a case of voting Tory through slightly gritted teeth.

I expect a lot of folk wll vote labour next time in the same manner

Edited October 7, 2023 by Spider

[Mounts Kipper]

When Labour get in power it’ll be interesting to see what happens to national debt,  given that Labour moaned incessantly about Tory austerity the Labour Party can’t go down that route although they should while the books get balanced. 

[tomski]

14 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Depends what you mean by fiscal T. Back in 2019 we had a 9 year period of low inflation and low interest rates. The lowest in my lifetime and I’m old. It was one of the reasons, not the only reason, that they had a massive majority. Not sure what happened after that.😊

No doubt they are the worst Tory government in my experience but I’ve said before, I believe the alternative to be worse. I hope I’m wrong. Just my opinion, I doubt it will sway anyone and I wouldn’t want to. I expect Labour will win the next election. Personally, I think a small majority rather than a massive one would be preferable. 

No issue with personal opinions and folk must choose they want pal. Just like you said these guys are truly awful and I think even most died in the wool blues (never understood the life long allegiance to either party like football ha)

People can be shit. Happens all the time and in all walks. It’s the fact they are sinister, clearly have a nasty streak and are too lazy to hide their back scratching and nepotism that has my back up.

For the record id look after people I knew but I’d work harder to not run it in folks faces and be a bit less twatish.

 

[tomski]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

When Labour get in power it’ll be interesting to see what happens to national debt,  given that Labour moaned incessantly about Tory austerity the Labour Party can’t go down that route although they should while the books get balanced. 

Labour will rightly moan about what the tories have done. 
 

Too suggest early Tory austerity has helped or done anything well is foolish. Our services are fucked for generations because of it.

Think about mental health services. If resources will have helped child 1 then intervention is made. Saving money doesn’t sort said child who becomes an adult and then has kids. Likely outcome? They’ve been shite 

[Mounts Kipper]

6 minutes ago, tomski said:

Labour will rightly moan about what the tories have done. 
 

Too suggest early Tory austerity has helped or done anything well is foolish. Our services are fucked for generations because of it.

Think about mental health services. If resources will have helped child 1 then intervention is made. Saving money doesn’t sort said child who becomes an adult and then has kids. Likely outcome? They’ve been shite 

The government can’t afford to cure all ills, whether that’s a Labour or Tory government, and yes they’ve been shite, if it hadn’t been for austerity in the first term where would debt be now, remember debt needs servicing and bond rates are through the roof and eating into the tax take to pay off national debt. More Austerity is coming whoever gets in power….let’s hope Labour get stuck into big companies and tax higher rather than the average Joe. 

Edited October 7, 2023 by Mounts Kipper

[BobyBrno]

Last bit from me as me and Mr. P are going out to celebrate our birthdays. 😊America has higher debt per cap. and higher interest rates than the UK and people think old Joe is doing a great job. Bidenomics. It’s a funny old world.

Nostrovia!

 

[Mounts Kipper]

2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Last bit from me as me and Mr. P are going out to celebrate our birthdays. 😊America has higher debt per cap. and higher interest rates than the UK and people think old Joe is doing a great job. Bidenomics. It’s a funny old world.

Nostrovia!

 

Happy Birthday Boby.🥳

[tomski]

3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

The government can’t afford to cure all ills, whether that’s a Labour or Tory government, and yes they’ve been shite, if it hadn’t been for austerity in the first term where would debt be now, remember debt needs servicing and bond rates are through the roof and eating into the tax take to pay off national debt. More Austerity is coming whoever gets in power….let’s hope Labour get stuck into big companies and tax higher rather than the average Joe. 

They don’t cure any ills I think my point is😂

Yep I used to be very against going for big business as it has impact but completely agree they have to now.

[Spider]

3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Last bit from me as me and Mr. P are going out to celebrate our birthdays. 😊America has higher debt per cap. and higher interest rates than the UK and people think old Joe is doing a great job. Bidenomics. It’s a funny old world.

Nostrovia!

 

Have a good weekend.

We don’t live in America 🥰

[Sweep]

39 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

 More Austerity is coming whoever gets in power….let’s hope Labour get stuck into big companies and tax higher rather than the average Joe. 

Agreed, some of the larger corporations need to tip in more, and maybe close some loop holes. 

I'd even be happy enough to pay an extra 1p or 2p in the £1 in income tax, but I don't think any party would dare go down that route. 

[Sweep]

39 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Last bit from me as me and Mr. P are going out to celebrate our birthdays. 😊America has higher debt per cap. and higher interest rates than the UK and people think old Joe is doing a great job. Bidenomics. It’s a funny old world.

Nostrovia!

 

Happy Birthday, have a great day👍

 

[Mounts Kipper]

37 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Agreed, some of the larger corporations need to tip in more, and maybe close some loop holes. 

I'd even be happy enough to pay an extra 1p or 2p in the £1 in income tax, but I don't think any party would dare go down that route. 

If we got VFM and services were near perfect I’d pay more, as it stands I’m not willing to tip any more than necessary into the government coffers, therefore I’m avoiding 40% tax by chucking it in my pension… they can fuck off.  

[globaldiver]

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/oct/05/starmer-wants-supervised-toothbrushing-in-englands-primary-schools

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

 I’m avoiding 40% tax by chucking it in my pension… they can fuck off.  

Same, I'm already salary sacrifing a big chunk of my wage, and chucking as much as I can into the old pension pot. It's free money, and that's pretty rare to find these days. Balls to giving any extra to this lot, to give back to their mates. 

[BobyBrno]

Thanks for the birthday wishes. From me, Vlad the bastard, No Balls and Dion. Put a bet on him to score today.😊👍

[kent_white]

We've basically stagnated as a country since Cameron took office. Then wasted the best part of a decade fannying around with Brexit and cutting ourselves off from our largest trading partner - with no real vision about where to go thereafter. 

The country is worse in every conceivable way. How anybody can still be defending this utter shower is completely beyond me. 

I'd genuinely rather hand over control directly the the EU than put up with another decade of this utter shite.