What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

7 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

No answer to my question then. You said you'd prefer eu to be running UK plc because UK business wasn’t thriving I asked compared to who in Europe, you couldn’t answer it, seems the eu can’t get business thriving, so your point was invalid, just a pro eu rant with no basis in facts. 

I wasn't quoting it as fact. I was quoting it as opinion. The facts bit was down the bottom. Which bits of those do you disagree with? 

7 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

We've got a military that can't defend the island for more than a few days, a national health service that is on its arse, a political system that people no longer have confidence in (irrespective of what political side you find yourself on) and we can't even build a large infrastructure project that has been in the pipeline for decades, borrowing is through the roof and we are at the highest levels of taxation (direct and indirect) since the end of the second world war. 

 

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, gonzo said:

 

 

 

I like how the Conservatives are trying to take the credit for waiting lists coming down when in reality it's front line staff working themselves to the point of exhaustion and doing extra hours for no money. 

But hooray for the Tories! 🤣

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

I like how the Conservatives are trying to take the credit for waiting lists coming down when in reality it's front line staff working themselves to the point of exhaustion and doing extra hours for no money. 

But hooray for the Tories! 🤣

I quite like Starmer's idea of setting up an overtime fund as a stop-gap measure to encourage staff to work (or at least keep working) additional hours 

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

I wasn't quoting it as fact. I was quoting it as opinion. The facts bit was down the bottom. Which bits of those do you disagree with? 

 

You are living in a parallel universe, military that can’t defend the island, what you on about? The NHS despite its problems is still very much a fantastic service, HS2 should never of started in the first place, borrowing is high world wide due to high bond prices, we’ve come through a pandemic borrowed billions to support folk, more so than virtually any nation on earth, no wonder taxes are high is it? Our economy is doing better than Germany and performing similar to most other EU countries, and better than most on unemployment.

Yes this Tory govt is poor and they’ve outstayed their welcome but there are a raft of mitigating circumstances. 

5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You are living in a parallel universe, military that can’t defend the island, what you on about? 

It was a claim allegedly made by a US Army General to our Defence Secretary earlier this year

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/us-general-warns-british-army-no-longer-top-level-fighting-force-defence-sources-reveal-12798365

Apparently, our Army is currently less than half the size it was 30 years ago

10 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It was a claim allegedly made by a US Army General to our Defence Secretary earlier this year

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/us-general-warns-british-army-no-longer-top-level-fighting-force-defence-sources-reveal-12798365

Apparently, our Army is currently less than half the size it was 30 years ago

By GDP we spend more on military than any EU country. 
 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

By GDP we spend more on military than any EU country. 
 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

Then questions need to be asked about why France has a tier one military and we don't

But I don't really care what we spend relative to other European countries if it isn't enough to defend ourselves

6 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Then questions need to be asked about why France has a tier one military and we don't

But I don't really care what we spend relative to other European countries if it isn't enough to defend ourselves

Subjective comment by a US general, I’d not take that at face value. Perhaps @royal whitemight share his thoughts. 

15 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

By GDP we spend more on military than any EU country. 
 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

Irrelevant if we cant defend ourselves

Ive no idea if we can btw

What i do know is that i would not trust this lot to spend money for guns on guns

Much likely find its way into a tory donors pockets

Just now, Casino said:

Irrelevant if we cant defend ourselves

Ive no idea if we can btw

What i do know is that i would not trust this lot to spend money for guns on guns

Much likely find its way into a tory donors pockets

We’re above France according to this website.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.php

 

Who do we see as invading the UK? Can’t see many likely invaders myself. 
 

7 hours ago, Casino said:

Irrelevant if we cant defend ourselves

Ive no idea if we can btw

What i do know is that i would not trust this lot to spend money for guns on guns

Much likely find its way into a tory donors pockets

Our Army is vary Low 

Could not fill Wembley 

thats from a Mate at Sandhurst 

50 minutes ago, little whitt said:

Our Army is vary Low 

Could not fill Wembley 

thats from a Mate at Sandhurst 

We should recruit Leeds fans. They’d fill anywhere

8 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You are living in a parallel universe, military that can’t defend the island, what you on about? The NHS despite its problems is still very much a fantastic service, HS2 should never of started in the first place, borrowing is high world wide due to high bond prices, we’ve come through a pandemic borrowed billions to support folk, more so than virtually any nation on earth, no wonder taxes are high is it? Our economy is doing better than Germany and performing similar to most other EU countries, and better than most on unemployment.

Yes this Tory govt is poor and they’ve outstayed their welcome but there are a raft of mitigating circumstances. 

The NHS is litterally collapsing before our very eyes.

There were 12 ambulances parked outside the vic yesterday with patients in as theres nowhere for them to go.

This is happening all across the country.

Im hearing horror stories on a daily basis.

 

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

The NHS is litterally collapsing before our very eyes.

There were 12 ambulances parked outside the vic yesterday with patients in as theres nowhere for them to go.

This is happening all across the country.

Im hearing horror stories on a daily basis.

 

As ever it’s down to personal experiences.

If you have only popped in to A&E once in the last few years and been served fairly quick, you’d give it 5 stars.

It’s like being a new Man City fan. Only seen the last 2 games so he assumes they’re relegation fodder.

36 minutes ago, Spider said:

As ever it’s down to personal experiences.

If you have only popped in to A&E once in the last few years and been served fairly quick, you’d give it 5 stars.

It’s like being a new Man City fan. Only seen the last 2 games so he assumes they’re relegation fodder.

The only thing that saves it is the wonderful people that work there and go the extra mile, all with their hands tied behind their backs.

Any other industry or service wouldve collapsed a long time ago. Imagine telling some dude at BAE or a civil servant they cant go home yet and theres another 8 hours to do or they are on 20 days straight becasue theres no fucker to cover.

 

 

 

 

51 minutes ago, Spider said:

We should recruit Leeds fans. They’d fill anywhere

We'd have problems if Eccles were ever attacked, though

37 minutes ago, gonzo said:

The NHS is litterally collapsing before our very eyes.

There were 12 ambulances parked outside the vic yesterday with patients in as theres nowhere for them to go.

This is happening all across the country.

Im hearing horror stories on a daily basis.

 

It’s not collapsing. As I said it has its issues mainly caused by the aging population and we need to explore funding and better use of spend (including a grown up across party conversation about where privatisation with a small p might help getting more value for money) but it is still a fantastic service in the main and still free at the point of delivery. 

48 minutes ago, gonzo said:

The NHS is litterally collapsing before our very eyes.

There were 12 ambulances parked outside the vic yesterday with patients in as theres nowhere for them to go.

This is happening all across the country.

Im hearing horror stories on a daily basis.

 

How much money needs to be thrown at it? A big problem at the moment within the NHS is staff sickness, there’s a lot of people who know how to take the piss out of the system. It’s alright wanting lots of shiny new facilities but it’s no good when the staff don’t turn up to work in them. 
 

@Mounts Kipper I’m not sure about what’s going on with the military funding. However no matter how skint we are we will always have the best military 😉 

Edited October 10, 20232 yr by royal white

10 hours ago, gonzo said:

 

 

 

Cheeky twats. They couldn’t even bother having serious negotiations for months with doctors and nurses preferring to hide behind pay review panels. 

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

How much money needs to be thrown at it? A big problem at the moment within the NHS is staff sickness, there’s a lot of people who know how to take the piss out of the system. It’s alright wanting lots of shiny new facilities but it’s no good when the staff don’t turn up to work in them. 
 

@Mounts Kipper I’m not sure about what’s going on with the military funding. However no matter how skint we are we will always have the best military 😉 

I agree. 👍

8 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Cheeky twats. They couldn’t even bother having serious negotiations for months with doctors and nurses preferring to hide behind pay review panels. 

It might be an idea if a cross party think tank was set up and looked at the German model it seems they have it pretty much sussed. It is funded partly by private healthcare insurance and that has to be part of any conversation. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany

 

 

Edited October 10, 20232 yr by Mounts Kipper

13 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It might be an idea if a cross party think tank was set up and looked at the German model it seems they have it pretty much sussed. It is funded partly by private healthcare insurance and that has to be part of any conversation. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany

 

 

Yes our NHS has been a political football for too long. We could do worse than follow that model but it would need consensus from all parties. Not something we are usually very good at these days.

35 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Yes our NHS has been a political football for too long. We could do worse than follow that model but it would need consensus from all parties. Not something we are usually very good at these days.

Including a cross party discussion in the next Labour manifesto would be a vote winner, it is high time all parties put this into any election manifesto, I doubt the Tories would be first to include it in their manifesto, a plan has to be thrashed out cross party to adequately fund our health service and part of that should be a review to explore how the best healthcare systems are funded and copy those systems.   

Edited October 10, 20232 yr by Mounts Kipper

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

The only thing that saves it is the wonderful people that work there and go the extra mile, all with their hands tied behind their backs.

Any other industry or service wouldve collapsed a long time ago. Imagine telling some dude at BAE or a civil servant they cant go home yet and theres another 8 hours to do or they are on 20 days straight becasue theres no fucker to cover.

 

 

 

 

gonna get worse to

we're millions in debt, all new jobs have been pulled, absolute no on non clinical posts 

do more with less

chuck in winter pressures to

grim