Politics

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

25% of student visas are granted to dependents, with some students arriving not just with their parents but their grandparents, and 48% of non-EU work visas are granted to dependents

Migrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh, in particular, are quite significantly more likely to be claiming disability benefit and be unemployed as well

There are huge numbers of people emigrating to this country who are economically inactive

On the student bit are you sure ? 
 

https://www.hr.admin.cam.ac.uk/hr-services/visas-immigration/working-uk/dependant-visas#:~:text=Dependant visa holders will have,No recourse to public funds.

This says it is partner and kids only and there is no recourse to public funds ? The student has to be sponsored and show they are funded for the period of their stay. Sure when Suella kicked off about this and said it was people pretending to be gay and students it was shown that only 2% claimed to be gay and the vast majority of students go back home after course is over. 

I agree there is an issue but not sure it is students , from my time at Uni, overseas students pay more to study here and the  Universities need to attract more of them as their funding has been reduced.

There is separate issue that places of study were being set up just to claim people were study but think in overall scheme of things those numbers are small and action is being taken so places have to authorised to count as students

I am no expert in this but the claim about students does not seem right (happy to be corrected) especially when linked to the benefit claim. Certainly offering no recourse to public funds seems a pretty sensible approach to anyone coming here. 

 

Edited November 26, 2023 by Ani
Added not as I have fat fingers and missed it !

[Ani]

3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

A slight tangent, but apparently the Chinese never really expected us to give Hong Kong back in 1997 and were shocked we actually did

Bloody Thatcher, be careful blaming her for anything, she is the Old Liz Truss and Theresa May combined but better to some on here. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

33 minutes ago, Ani said:

On the student bit are you sure ? 
 

https://www.hr.admin.cam.ac.uk/hr-services/visas-immigration/working-uk/dependant-visas#:~:text=Dependant visa holders will have,No recourse to public funds.

This says it is partner and kids only and there is no recourse to public funds ? The student has to be sponsored and show they are funded for the period of their stay. Sure when Suella kicked off about this and said it was people pretending to be gay and students it was shown that only 2% claimed to be gay and the vast majority of students go back home after course is over. 

I agree there is an issue but sure it is students , from my time at Uni, overseas students pay more to study here and the  Universities need to attract more of them as their funding has been reduced.

There is separate issue that places of study were being set up just to claim people were study but think in overall scheme of things those numbers are small and action is being taken so places have to authorised to count as students

I am no expert in this but the claim about students does not seem right (happy to be corrected) especially when linked to the benefit claim. Certainly offering no recourse to public funds seems a pretty sensible approach to anyone coming here. 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2023/why-do-people-come-to-the-uk-to-study#sponsored-study-visas-granted-to-main-applicants

[Ani]

8 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2023/why-do-people-come-to-the-uk-to-study#sponsored-study-visas-granted-to-main-applicants

I meant about the parents and grandparents and the link to benefit claims ? 
 

My simplistic view is students paying to come here and study with their family are not the problem. Most go back after studying and those that stay do so with a job as they need a different visa. 
 

Someone coming to clean bogs and bringing their extended family to live of a £25k salary is an issue. 

Edited November 26, 2023 by Ani

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

I meant about the parents and grandparents and the link to benefit claims ? 
 

My simplistic view is students paying to come here and study with their family are not the problem. Most go back after studying and those that stay do so with a job as they need a different visa. 
 

Someone coming to clean bogs and bringing their extended family to live of a £25k salary is an issue. 

The parents and grandparents thing is from someone who works in the field

I suppose it's anecdotal only, though, so feel free to dismiss it if you wish

There was no link between people on student dependent visas and claiming benefits, it was a separate point

[globaldiver]

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/europe-fragmentation-economy-lagging-us-and-china-by-yanis-varoufakis-2023-11?utm_source=Project+Syndicate+Newsletter&utm_campaign=03eac42000-sunday_newsletter_11_26_2023&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_73bad5b7d8-03eac42000-107662454&mc_cid=03eac42000&mc_eid=3e352da565

[Spider]

4 minutes ago, globaldiver said:

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/europe-fragmentation-economy-lagging-us-and-china-by-yanis-varoufakis-2023-11?utm_source=Project+Syndicate+Newsletter&utm_campaign=03eac42000-sunday_newsletter_11_26_2023&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_73bad5b7d8-03eac42000-107662454&mc_cid=03eac42000&mc_eid=3e352da565

That “problematic currency” they mention remains stubbornly strong against the pound though.

Maybe when it’s back nearer €1.50 to the pound it will be fair to say they’re struggling.

As it is, the numbers on currency don’t back the argument up there.

For what it’s worth, I’m not a fan of the euro, I think it disadvantages smaller nations.

[Ani]

2 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The parents and grandparents thing is from someone who works in the field

I suppose it's anecdotal only, though, so feel free to dismiss it if you wish

There was no link between people on student dependent visas and claiming benefits, it was a separate point

Fair enough, I think if the Government are serious about 'sorting out' immigration there needs to be a better understanding of 'good' and 'not good' immigration.

Students I do not see as a problem if they are properly monitored so at the end of the study they either go home or have jobs to pay their way.  Plus they (or their sponsors) are paying to be here. 

[Not in Crawley]

35 minutes ago, Ani said:

Fair enough, I think if the Government are serious about 'sorting out' immigration there needs to be a better understanding of 'good' and 'not good' immigration.

Students I do not see as a problem if they are properly monitored so at the end of the study they either go home or have jobs to pay their way.  Plus they (or their sponsors) are paying to be here. 

See, it is a minefield though. Because the gvt stopped free higher education its forced unis to chase money and become commercial institutions which means those with the deepest pockets generally can get in - more like the American system.

It does somewhat stop talented people from.poorer UK backgrounds getting in, or rather they aren't sort out as much.

No problem with a mixed model but this chasing down to an American style system I'm certainly not on board with.

[Ani]

20 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

See, it is a minefield though. Because the gvt stopped free higher education its forced unis to chase money and become commercial institutions which means those with the deepest pockets generally can get in - more like the American system.

It does somewhat stop talented people from.poorer UK backgrounds getting in, or rather they aren't sort out as much.

No problem with a mixed model but this chasing down to an American style system I'm certainly not on board with.

My point was about quoting just the numbers as a big lump of immigrants you do not have a proper view. And if you then talk about families coming and claiming benefits it sullies the view. The Govt try to deflect by giving 99% of their air time to stopping the boats. But the big number is actually the ones coming here and being granted visas based on the criteria the Govt set and are responsible for. 
These are not asylum seekers or 'illegals' . 400k students coming in paying whatever in fees is adding £bns to the economy plus what they spend living here. It is crazy to blame them. 
 

The bigger debate of the impact of funding for Universities is a separate debate. 

[Ani]

For reference this is how to use a graph to either make a point or expose someone as a fucking liar. 
 

 

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

For reference this is how to use a graph to either make a point or expose someone as a fucking liar. 
 

 

The Tories do seem to have a stable full of thick posh bints. 

[tyldesley_white]

4 hours ago, mickbrown said:

The Tories do seem to have a stable full of thick posh bints. 

The look on her face when he says 'you know this graph better than anybody' I think tells you all you need to know

[Traf]

1 hour ago, tyldesley_white said:

The look on her face when he says 'you know this graph better than anybody' I think tells you all you need to know

It said "Oh, fuck, not the graph"

[DirtySanchez]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67536235

Sounds like all is going well for Lee

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

24 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67536235

Sounds like all is going well for Lee

Thick as shit

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Anderson, that is

[DirtySanchez]

3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Anderson, that is

He's definitely not the brightest 

Imagine going from labour to reform via the Tories 

[DirtySanchez]

The spineless cunt 

BBC News - Sunak cancels Greek PM meeting in Elgin Marbles row

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67549044

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

The spineless cunt 

BBC News - Sunak cancels Greek PM meeting in Elgin Marbles row

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67549044

Absolutely pathetic.

[DirtySanchez]

7 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Absolutely pathetic.

Anyone with half a brain knows give them back 

Problem is once that happens other countries will ask for their stuff back and the contents of the British museum become very empty very quickly 

[Spider]

Finders keepers you whining Greek cunts.

I’m with Rishi here.

Greek Mon would have been asking for skipfuls of cash as well.

They get half our tourism, the ungrateful debt-ridden cunts

[DirtySanchez]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

Finders keepers you whining Greek cunts.

I’m with Rishi here.

Greek Mon would have been asking for skipfuls of cash as well.

They get half our tourism, the ungrateful debt-ridden cunts

Forged documents, stolen etc 

You should probably read up on it

George Osborne has been keen to do a deal 

And the Acropolis museum is in far better nick than the British one, which lets face it contains nothing British 

[Spider]

5 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

Forged documents, stolen etc 

You should probably read up on it

George Osborne has been keen to do a deal 

And the Acropolis museum is in far better nick than the British one, which lets face it contains nothing British 

Losers weepers

[DirtySanchez]

5 minutes ago, Spider said:

Losers weepers

So you think it's fine a PM arranges a meeting then runs off at the last minute? 

You clearly dont know the history of it and resort to your try and be funny comments