24 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

What is/are my previous stance on things?

Im not a member of any political party. 
Being a member of a party surely makes you binary. Does it not?

No, that's a simple mistake. Every party is a broad church, we argue internally as much as anyone. I'm on the right of the Labour Party and I get pelters from the left wing but broadly we have a fundamental goal. Same as the Conservative Party, some of which I'm very good friends on the left of their party, which and agree with them on many things but we differ on how we can achieve aims.

 

54 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Another hypocrite then. The Labour Party is full of them.

....and has been so for as long as I can remember. Union dues have paid for a lot of luxury for  a very long time for these 'servants of the working class'. "If it wears a red rosette".

A lot of moaning going on here. The British democracy voted and they gave a super majority to Sir Kier. 🇬🇧 Labour won. Taking back control. Stop being sore losers. A few years and we vote again.

Edited September 28, 20241 yr by Jol_BWFC

12 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

A lot of moaning going on here. The British democracy voted and they gave a super majority to Sir Kier. 🇬🇧 Labour won. Taking back control. Stop being sore losers. A few years and we vote again.

As I said there will be some on here who will leap on any failure from our government because they are bit upset that the country overall doesn't agree with them. I believe they used to call that being a snowflake.

2 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

He? It’s the whole lot of them. They are all in it together.
The Unions, the normally left wing press and numerous Labour MP’s have all expressed their contempt for this government. It’s going to get so much worse. 

Straight question. Would you rather they just gave up now, and let The Tory party back in? Or are you willing to wait a few weeks until they choose a new leader, and then let them back in? 

I know that you're not a dyed in the wool Tory, by any stretch, but you clearly don't like the current leaders, so you must want them back in, as things stand

2 hours ago, Sweep said:

Straight question. Would you rather they just gave up now, and let The Tory party back in? Or are you willing to wait a few weeks until they choose a new leader, and then let them back in? 

I know that you're not a dyed in the wool Tory, by any stretch, but you clearly don't like the current leaders, so you must want them back in, as things stand

I certainly wouldn't. That would be a massive mistake. The 35% (well those above the 20% of the electorate which would vote for a cow if it wore a red rosette just as those in Ashton Under Lyne recently did) need to experience what is to come. Life lessons. Unavoidable and necessary.

8 hours ago, Sweep said:

Straight question. Would you rather they just gave up now, and let The Tory party back in? Or are you willing to wait a few weeks until they choose a new leader, and then let them back in? 

I know that you're not a dyed in the wool Tory, by any stretch, but you clearly don't like the current leaders, so you must want them back in, as things stand

I think my only criticism has been the handling of the winter fuel payment. I’m just pointing out the obvious that they are being criticised, in an unprecedented way imo, by their own. 
I’ve no wish for another GE. They are unpopular though and the criticism will only get worse. Don’t read the papers or watch the news if it upsets people. 

6 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

I think my only criticism has been the handling of the winter fuel payment. I’m just pointing out the obvious that they are being criticised, in an unprecedented way imo, by their own. 
I’ve no wish for another GE. They are unpopular though and the criticism will only get worse. Don’t read the papers or watch the news if it upsets people. 

You never really criticised the Tories on this level.

you can see why people think you mean in a certain direction, surely ?

14 minutes ago, Spider said:

You never really criticised the Tories on this level.

you can see why people think you mean in a certain direction, surely ?

2 months ago, you thought I was a life long Labour supporter so I doubt your memory is that good. I’ve said on many occasions that they were bad but that this lot will be worse. I’ve seen nothing yet to change my mind. 
 

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

2 months ago, you thought I was a life long Labour supporter so I doubt your memory is that good. I’ve said on many occasions that they were bad but that this lot will be worse. I’ve seen nothing yet to change my mind. 
 

Starmer really is upsetting you already.

i blame the opposition. 

Just watched the Rosie Duffield interview, what a woman/politician, I wish a lot more were like her, sadly it won't catch on being honest and moral

30 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said:

Just watched the Rosie Duffield interview, what a woman/politician, I wish a lot more were like her, sadly it won't catch on being honest and moral

There is little/no profit to be made in honesty and legality, generally. 

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Starmer really is upsetting you already.

i blame the opposition. 

😊He ain’t upsetting me. He’s living up to all my expectations. 

50 minutes ago, Sweep said:

There is little/no profit to be made in honesty and legality, generally. 

Has Starmer actually broken any rules/laws, or lied about anything?

Just now, Cheese said:

Has Starmer actually broken any rules/laws, or lied about anything?

No, had anybody said he has? 

Just now, Sweep said:

No, had anybody said he has? 

I assumed that's what you were getting at, saying "no profit to be made in honesty and legality"?

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I assumed that's what you were getting at, saying "no profit to be made in honesty and legality"?

You assumed, incorrectly, as usual. 

1 hour ago, athywhite1958 said:

Just watched the Rosie Duffield interview, what a woman/politician, I wish a lot more were like her, sadly it won't catch on being honest and moral

She should have stood as an Independant if she dislikes the current Labour Leadership so much. She's been anything but honest and moral.

Just now, Sweep said:

You assumed, incorrectly, as usual. 

Fair enough. No idea what you're talking about then.

54 minutes ago, Cheese said:

She should have stood as an Independant if she dislikes the current Labour Leadership so much. She's been anything but honest and moral.

Go on then, enlighten me/us

3 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said:

Go on then, enlighten me/us

Thought you didn't give a fuck about politics? 🤔

16 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Thought you didn't give a fuck about politics? 🤔

I don't, you're saying she has been less than honest and moral, how so?

8 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said:

I don't, you're saying she has been less than honest and moral, how so?

Maybe using a political party to get in to power even though you clearly despise them so much maybe deemed slightly immoral by some.

 

12 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said:

I don't, you're saying she has been less than honest and moral, how so?

She stood as a Labour candidate knowing she'd win, and has resigned from the party knowing she's guaranteed her MP's salary for the next few years. If she was honest and moral, she would have stood as an independant in the first place, or would now call a by-election. She abstained on the Winter Fuel Allowance vote, rather than voting against it, by the way...

Edited September 29, 20241 yr by Cheese

24 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Maybe using a political party to get in to power even though you clearly despise them so much maybe deemed slightly immoral by some.

 

I see it as she stood for the Labour party knowing a win was on the cards, even though she had had previous disagreements with the Labour hierarchy she fought for her seat thinking they would make a difference, however it is now clear to her that is not the case and she has decided to step down, a lot more than her abstained from the fuel allowance vote and she has not done anything immoral in my eyes. In 2006 I was lined up for a promotion before  I sat the interview which gave me a £6k pay rise, does that make me immoral?