What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

14 minutes ago, gonzo said:

 

You're the one conflating TMGJs comment in to something it's not.

Talk about hysterical and knee jerk.

Its understandable when he suggests ignoring appeals and the ECHR

Proper Braverman/Anderson territory

11 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I don't think that anybody would dispute they are would they?  -  Supply and Demand innit - stop buying it, and it'll stop being sold...

I agree. Send cokeheads to 'sealed camps'.

11 minutes ago, Spider said:

 

There is no excuse whatsoever for keeping people who come on boats. None.

 

Under current rules?

Fwiw, im fine with folk being processed in Italy/France, wherever, but that means setting up 'safe routes' to the UK

A political hot potato in the current climate

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

I agree. Send cokeheads to 'sealed camps'.

Even suspected users

Why bother with courts

27 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Being put up in a hotel with allowances and working down the local barbers/money laundering operation could well be the land of milk and honey.

Sure news would get back to the hundreds still coming every month if it wasn't.

Re the cocaine of course they are, whether it's been bought off Albanians or Martians. What the fuck has that got to do with anything.

Just interesting to see which "international crime rackets" cause the most outrage.

Aye the Albanians that are currently exploiting our weak as piss system to command a drug market are the first people to ever sell drugs here.

You'll never stop people selling cocaine.

How about we concentrate on our own system that allows their to fourish and exploit ours?

Just now, Cheese said:

Just interesting to see which "international crime rackets" cause the most outrage.

Whatabout Whatabout Whatabout 

Just now, gonzo said:

Whatabout Whatabout Whatabout 

Brown folk, brown folk, brown folk.

4 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Whatabout Whatabout Whatabout 

Within a couple of posts of TMGJ reasonable solution we have comparisons with concentration camps and English coke heads. 😂

8 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Whatabout Whatabout Whatabout 

It’s not that wild a comparison to be fair

 You made a good point about not allowing people to claim asylum if they’ve funded smuggling gangs. Not sure how you prove it, but it’s a common sense approach. Don’t support people who fund these criminal networks.

Cheese then suggests using the same approach for people buying cocaine - as they’re funding a similar criminal network. No harm in changing the law to make the buyer responsible for the crime involved. 

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

It’s not that wild a comparison to be fair

 You made a good point about not allowing people to claim asylum if they’ve funded smuggling gangs. Not sure how you prove it, but it’s a common sense approach. Don’t support people who fund these criminal networks.

Cheese then suggests using the same approach for people buying cocaine - as they’re funding a similar criminal network. No harm in changing the law to make the buyer responsible for the crime involved. 

So what support will my mate Jimmy, who buys drugs every Friday, lose? 

3 hours ago, Duck Egg said:

TMG made some reasonable points but the minute I saw 'sealed camps' it cheapened his whole post imo. 

Bollocks.

Why should these unknown individuals, many with dodgy backgrounds be able to walk free in society?

Get them into camps, in tents, food provided, exercise and entertainment available until they're processed.

Some disappear into the black economy, some commit serious crimes.

If you're happy for that, then fine, but just have a think if it was your family member that was harrased, raped or murdered. 

Not once did I mention concentration etc, but as usual individuals choose to apply their judgemental attitudes without engaging brain.

 

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

Within a couple of posts of TMGJ reasonable solution we have comparisons with concentration camps and English coke heads. 😂

 What’s the legality on locking up everyone claiming asylum? Genuinely curious as I’d imagine there would be some legal issues. 

30 minutes ago, Spider said:

I’m still of the opinion that the first G7 country they arrive in should process them.

If they are genuinely fleeing war and imminent danger, surely a G7 country is a safe haven?

let them apply for asylum there and if genuine, I’m happy to take them.

There is no excuse whatsoever for keeping people who come on boats. None.

 

But no G7 country that borders are ‘on the edge’ will agree to that. Equally no EU country ( mainly France for us) is going to accept us simply shipping them back there.

Whatever the solution is it needs countries cooperating not fighting with each other. Personally I have no problem with some type of work camp that provides safe accommodation and food in return for some work, be that on farms, cleaning the streets, running the dodgems on the Pleasure Beech.
 

Agreement to work is part of the asylum process. Refuse and you are much less likely to be accepted. The traffickers are more likely to stop if they lose control of the people once they arrive.  

1 minute ago, royal white said:

So what support will my mate Jimmy, who buys drugs every Friday, lose? 

Wouldn’t be the same would it 😂

 All I’m saying is if asylum seekers are being punished for supporting violent criminal gangs, then why shouldn’t that punishment apply to people with citizenship doing the same?

Of course the punishment wouldn’t be the same 😄 But it’s a perfectly reasonable discussion point. 

5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

It’s not that wild a comparison to be fair

 You made a good point about not allowing people to claim asylum if they’ve funded smuggling gangs. Not sure how you prove it, but it’s a common sense approach. Don’t support people who fund these criminal networks.

Cheese then suggests using the same approach for people buying cocaine - as they’re funding a similar criminal network. No harm in changing the law to make the buyer responsible for the crime involved. 

Aye all this down to some lads buying a bag of bosh on a Friday night. 

I'm not sure how well you know how international criminal gangs and drug supply work like but unless you start randomly raiding weddings and local pubs you are on to a loser.

Last time I checked buying cocaine was illegal.

You will never stop people buying drugs. Ever.

This discussion is about hundreds of migrants sailing over and exploiting our system and somehow we are down to this.

Unbelievable.

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Wouldn’t be the same would it 😂

 All I’m saying is if asylum seekers are being punished for supporting violent criminal gangs, then why shouldn’t that punishment apply to people with citizenship doing the same?

Of course the punishment wouldn’t be the same 😄 But it’s a perfectly reasonable discussion point. 

Well if you’re caught in possession you will get done. That’s always been the case. 
 

 

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

 What’s the legality on locking up everyone claiming asylum? Genuinely curious as I’d imagine there would be some legal issues. 

Just make is part of our formal asylum processing system and right the law to make it happen. People will say the ECHR will stop it, but properly thought through and ‘fair’ legislation should be allowed. 
 

The places they are kept will have to be humane but surely better than a hostel the locals want to burn down ? 

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Wouldn’t be the same would it 😂

 All I’m saying is if asylum seekers are being punished for supporting violent criminal gangs, then why shouldn’t that punishment apply to people with citizenship doing the same?

Of course the punishment wouldn’t be the same 😄 But it’s a perfectly reasonable discussion point. 

Is buying cocaine legal now?

5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Bollocks.

Why should these unknown individuals, many with dodgy backgrounds be able to walk free in society?

Get them into camps, in tents, food provided, exercise and entertainment available until they're processed.

Some disappear into the black economy, some commit serious crimes.

If you're happy for that, then fine, but just have a think if it was your family member that was harrased, raped or murdered. 

Not once did I mention concentration etc, but as usual individuals choose to apply their judgemental attitudes without engaging brain.

How do you determine they've got dodgy backgrounds if they're unknown?

Just now, gonzo said:

Is buying cocaine legal now?

Seeking asylum is...

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Seeking asylum is...

Hence the discussion 🤦‍♂️

5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

 What’s the legality on locking up everyone claiming asylum? Genuinely curious as I’d imagine there would be some legal issues. 

I don’t know, but if you were fleeing a war zone/persecution  and made your way to England would you be upset about being put up in a holding facility whilst your application is processed? A facility where you will be fed, clothed, have access to a gym, internet access etc etc etc. it’s hardly fkin Auschwitz is it. 

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

So what support will my mate Jimmy, who buys drugs every Friday, lose? 

It is a nonsense argument people are using, but let’s pretend it is nt

Possession of class drugs for personal use is a criminal offence 

https://mcgeemcgeeagarlaw.co.uk/blog/possession-of-class-a-drugs-first-offence/

So if people want equate the two they arguing that coming here via gang is a criminal offence and so they should be prosecuted. 

4 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Seeking asylum is...

Coming here illegally is.

 

The lack of legal routes needs to be addressed as well.