Politics

[BobyBrno]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

There aren’t many differences at time to be honest.

Anyway.

Seems to me Starmer has been patient and let the legal routes follow their course, thereby leaving a watertight path to justice. Jumping in feet first with a knee jerk reaction can leave gaps in the defence further down the road

Patience is a virtue etc

As I said, only you and a few others are trying to make this a political issue. It’s an institutional issue. Those of us who have been banging on about it haven’t brought party politics into it. 

[royal white]

33 minutes ago, Spider said:

All the “cover ups” happened under a Tory government 

Within a year, Labour have let it be known that Pakistanis are a massive fucking issue.

Please can someone explain why this is somehow Starmer’s fault?

thanks

 

They’re pulling out some u turns at the minute aren’t they. It wasn’t long back that they said wanting another inquiry was jumping on a far right bandwagon, now here we are a few months later. 

[kent_white]

41 minutes ago, royal white said:

They’re pulling out some u turns at the minute aren’t they. It wasn’t long back that they said wanting another inquiry was jumping on a far right bandwagon, now here we are a few months later. 

To be fair - he said some of the people calling for an inquiry (mainly people who sat on their hands and did nothing during the last government) were jumping on the far right bandwagon. Which isn't quite the same thing. 

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, kent_white said:

To be fair - he said some of the people calling for an inquiry (mainly people who sat on their hands and did nothing during the last government) were jumping on the far right bandwagon. Which isn't quite the same thing. 

You’ve near enough quoted me but it’s not quite the same thing? And yes it’s another u turn. 

[kent_white]

Just now, royal white said:

You’ve near enough quoted me but it’s not quite the same thing? And yes it’s another u turn. 

A welcome u-turn. 

And I'm not all that arsed about u-turns providing we end up in the right place eventually. Just shows that it's a government who are willing to listen if and when there's strong public opinion and a reasonable cause to change tack (like the publication of the Casey Report). 

Yes I suppose it is similar to what you wrote (providing you ignore the bit about him aiming it at members of the old Tory government which changes the context) 😉

I'm just going off the quote I remember - maybe he's said it about other people on other occasions that I don't recall. 

I think it was Lucy Powell who was the most vociferous if memory serves? 

[Spider]

A government that listens.

Nice.

[bolty58]

7 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

You’ve not read the report have you.

It’s 197 pages by the way, not 200 as Sir Keir said. Wonder if he really did read it?

No. His instinct is to defend.

[Spider]

Keir and The Don getting all cosy.

If Starmer carries on like this he’ll have the MAGA’s wearing hats with his name on.

[wanderer1984]

Interesting thread and replies. 

 

 

[royal white]

21 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Interesting thread and replies. 

 

 

You will have middle aged men along shortly saying it’s bullshit as it doesn’t happen to them. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

You will have middle aged men along shortly saying it’s bullshit as it doesn’t happen to them. 

Can't see anything on that. 

Must need to be on X.

So it's all meh. 😁

[kent_white]

13 minutes ago, royal white said:

You will have middle aged men along shortly saying it’s bullshit as it doesn’t happen to them. 

She's right about Patpong Market! 👍

[Tonge moor green jacket]

12 hours ago, Spider said:

A government that listens.

Nice.

Indeed. Good decision. 

Johnson also did a number of about turns too.

Obviously supporters will generally applaud such a decision, and opponents will criticise.

The electorate will judge in the end.

 

Just seen Casey giving evidence to the committee- only caught a few seconds, but by the fuck were they revealing. 

I'm paraphrasing but she said the evidence wasn't difficult to find and her predecessors should have looked a bit harder but didn't.

Much of the new evidence has been out in the public domain, hence the call for a proper, public inquiry. 

For that reason, making the u-turn on the basis of this report will be met with a high degree of cynicism. Especially given the nature of previous comments that those asking for it were jumping on a far-right bandwagon.

It is clearly the right decision, but for many he will have crossed a line that he can't get back from.

[royal white]

14 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Indeed. Good decision. 

Johnson also did a number of about turns too.

Obviously supporters will generally applaud such a decision, and opponents will criticise.

The electorate will judge in the end.

 

Just seen Casey giving evidence to the committee- only caught a few seconds, but by the fuck were they revealing. 

I'm paraphrasing but she said the evidence wasn't difficult to find and her predecessors should have looked a bit harder but didn't.

Much of the new evidence has been out in the public domain, hence the call for a proper, public inquiry. 

For that reason, making the u-turn on the basis of this report will be met with a high degree of cynicism. Especially given the nature of previous comments that those asking for it were jumping on a far-right bandwagon.

It is clearly the right decision, but for many he will have crossed a line that he can't get back from.

There’s a list doing the rounds of MPs who voted against the inquiry. 364 in total (2 from Bolton). Does anyone have any idea why so many would be against it? The vast majority are from one party but that’s another discussion. 

[Zico]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

You will have middle aged men along shortly saying it’s bullshit as it doesn’t happen to them. 

you mean like the cost of living crisis?

as for what she says

no doubt that's what she's seeing and what she feels, though her last tweet made me chuckle

I miss the London that felt English. That was proud, open, fun, and safe. Now it feels like a place that doesn’t belong to its own people. That's lost its identity. And no one is allowed to say it.

she is allowed to say it

she just did 10 tweets saying it

because she's allowed to

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

It is clearly the right decision, but for many he will have crossed a line that he can't get back from.

I think he crossed that line when he got elected to be honest. The vitriol surrounding him is laughable. 

[kent_white]

51 minutes ago, royal white said:

There’s a list doing the rounds of MPs who voted against the inquiry. 364 in total (2 from Bolton). Does anyone have any idea why so many would be against it? The vast majority are from one party but that’s another discussion. 

I think the argument was that we'd already had one but just not implemented the findings. And another argument was that we should wait and see what happens with the review. 

Still find it bizarre that people would vote against it - but I imagine that problem were as ever, playing politics. 

[kent_white]

20 minutes ago, Zico said:

you mean like the cost of living crisis?

as for what she says

no doubt that's what she's seeing and what she feels, though her last tweet made me chuckle

I miss the London that felt English. That was proud, open, fun, and safe. Now it feels like a place that doesn’t belong to its own people. That's lost its identity. And no one is allowed to say it.

she is allowed to say it

she just did 10 tweets saying it

because she's allowed to

I'd also point out that anecdotes are the weakest form of evidence. 

She might be right like. Last time I went to London it was mainly black people - but then I chose to stay in Brixton. Largely because it was full of black people and I thought it would be an interesting place to stay. Which it was. 

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, wanderer1984 said:

Interesting thread and replies. 

 

 

Crikey her page is some read. Comes across as a bit of an ultra conservative, religious nut job to be honest.
 

Can’t see this post though mate. What does she see in particular that makes her so sad? 

[gonzo]

5 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I think the argument was that we'd already had one but just not implemented the findings. And another argument was that we should wait and see what happens with the review. 

Still find it bizarre that people would vote against it - but I imagine that problem were as ever, playing politics. 

Sectarian politics

[Cheese]

7 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I think the argument was that we'd already had one but just not implemented the findings. And another argument was that we should wait and see what happens with the review. 

Still find it bizarre that people would vote against it - but I imagine that problem were as ever, playing politics. 

They didn't "vote against an inquiry". They voted against an amendment to the Children's Well-Being Bill that would've killed the Bill entirely. Don't let the truth get in the way of some faux outrage though.

[kent_white]

Just now, Cheese said:

They didn't "vote against an inquiry". They voted against an amendment to the Children's Well-Being Bill that would've killed the Bill entirely. Don't let the truth get in the way of some faux outrage though.

I'm not outraged my contrarian friend.

Fair point on the procedure - the main vote was on blocking the entire bill over multiple issues, not just the grooming gangs bit. But Labour also voted down separate amendments that were specifically about the inquiry, so they were consistently against it either way until Starmer's recent flip.

[London Wanderer]

39 minutes ago, Zico said:

you mean like the cost of living crisis?

as for what she says

no doubt that's what she's seeing and what she feels, though her last tweet made me chuckle

I miss the London that felt English. That was proud, open, fun, and safe. Now it feels like a place that doesn’t belong to its own people. That's lost its identity. And no one is allowed to say it.

she is allowed to say it

she just did 10 tweets saying it

because she's allowed to

😂

The classic “I have no free speech to say what I think”

Whilst she goes about freely posting what she thinks to millions of people with nobody stopping her.

I’m sure a lot of people feel sad walking through many of our towns & cities. For lots of different reasons. 

[Ani]

15 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I think the argument was that we'd already had one but just not implemented the findings. And another argument was that we should wait and see what happens with the review. 

Still find it bizarre that people would vote against it - but I imagine that problem were as ever, playing politics. 

There was never a bill for an inquiry, the Tories added an amendment to the Child Welfare Bill that was rejected. The Tories are desperately trying to draw attention away from how little they have done.

Labour will be petrified that the grooming gangs if Packistani heritage come largely from areas controlled by Labour councils so they may well be equally tainted. 
 

Starmers record despite the rhetoric is pretty solid on this during his time at CPS and following Casey’s advice. 
 

It is crazy that Tommy Robinson and Rupert Lowe are actually the ones who are ‘cleanest’ in terms of not hiding from the issue. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

3 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I'm not outraged my contrarian friend.

Fair point on the procedure - the main vote was on blocking the entire bill over multiple issues, not just the grooming gangs bit. But Labour also voted down separate amendments that were specifically about the inquiry, so they were consistently against it either way until Starmer's recent flip.

The Tories were playing politics with their amendment but even if the vote hadn't have been tied to the bill, the majority of MPs who voted against it would likely have still voted against it because the line at the time was that a national inquiry wasn't required and that instead the Jay recommendations should be implemented and funding be provided for some local, non-stuatory inquiries led by councils