What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

6 minutes ago, Ani said:

There was never a bill for an inquiry, the Tories added an amendment to the Child Welfare Bill that was rejected. The Tories are desperately trying to draw attention away from how little they have done.

Labour will be petrified that the grooming gangs if Packistani heritage come largely from areas controlled by Labour councils so they may well be equally tainted. 
 

Starmers record despite the rhetoric is pretty solid on this during his time at CPS and following Casey’s advice. 
 

It is crazy that Tommy Robinson and Rupert Lowe are actually the ones who are ‘cleanest’ in terms of not hiding from the issue. 

I reckon that’s pretty much a certainty. 

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Wasn't aimed at you.

Fair enough! 👍

7 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The Tories were playing politics with their amendment but even if the vote hadn't have been tied to the bill, the majority of MPs who voted against it would likely have still voted against it because the line at the time was that a national inquiry wasn't required and that instead the Jay recommendations should be implemented and funding be provided for some local, non-stuatory inquiries led by councils

That's probably true. Labour's position was consistently that local inquiries and implementing existing Jay recommendations were sufficient, so they likely would have opposed a standalone national inquiry vote too. The procedural criticism is valid, but it doesn't change that Labour fundamentally disagreed with having a national statutory inquiry until the Casey report changed Starmer's mind.

14 hours ago, Spider said:

A government that listens.

Nice.

Precisely 

U-turns aren’t always something to be criticised. Much better to listen & make changes than dig your feet in. 
 

It’s how we live our lives, adapting & changing.

The public can be fickle 

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Tory u turns Baaaaaad

 

Labour u turns gooooood

 

😂

36 minutes ago, kent_white said:

That's probably true. Labour's position was consistently that local inquiries and implementing existing Jay recommendations were sufficient, so they likely would have opposed a standalone national inquiry vote too. The procedural criticism is valid, but it doesn't change that Labour fundamentally disagreed with having a national statutory inquiry until the Casey report changed Starmer's mind.

Always worth repeating that was Casey’s view as well. 
 

There were some victims who supported a national inquiry some that did not. If you watch certainly news chann ls it is if those that did not support a new inquiry do not exist.

Having watched Newsnight last minute surely Casey is the best person to head up the national inquiry . 

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

Tory u turns Baaaaaad

 

Labour u turns gooooood

 

😂

It only it was all that simple

 and don’t forget the reform u-turn last week 😄

9 minutes ago, royal white said:

Tory u turns Baaaaaad

 

Labour u turns gooooood

 

😂

It depends on what they're u-turning on.

It's not as simple as you're trying to make out. 

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

It depends on what they're u-turning on.

It's not as simple as you're trying to make out. 

It seemed pretty simple when other parties were doing the u turns.

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

It seemed pretty simple when other parties were doing the u turns.

You're going to need to give me an example so I can comment. My mind doesn't stretch back that far! 😁

2 hours ago, royal white said:

There’s a list doing the rounds of MPs who voted against the inquiry. 364 in total (2 from Bolton). Does anyone have any idea why so many would be against it? The vast majority are from one party but that’s another discussion. 

In fairness, much of that will have been towing the party line- collective responsibility I think they name it in political circles.

Also, a lot of those mps will be new members and very unlikely to upset the apple cart- especially if they were whipped.

3 minutes ago, kent_white said:

You're going to need to give me an example so I can comment. My mind doesn't stretch back that far! 😁

Mine neither 😂 it was well spoken about on here and other socials though as soon as Boris/Rishi (and whoever else was in charge) when a U-turn was made. 
 

Keir has already done a few in his short time in power does that mean he changed his mind on some of the things you voted on? If so how do you feel about that?

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

In fairness, much of that will have been towing the party line- collective responsibility I think they name it in political circles.

Also, a lot of those mps will be new members and very unlikely to upset the apple cart- especially if they were whipped.

And now they will no doubt be getting shit off their constituents! Cheers Keir 😂

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Mine neither 😂 it was well spoken about on here and other socials though as soon as Boris/Rishi (and whoever else was in charge) when a U-turn was made. 
 

Keir has already done a few in his short time in power does that mean he changed his mind on some of the things you voted on? If so how do you feel about that?

Not for me. Because I didn't vote for the Labour Party on the strength of promises about winter fuel payments or inquiries into grooming gangs. 

I think they got it right on winter fuel payments given the circumstances - but we're perhaps a bit naive about the damage to their reputation it might do. 

And I'm glad they have come to this decision on grooming gangs. Whatever the reasoning is behind it. 

It's been an elephant in the room for a number of years now and I hope it will go some way in allowing us to move forward together. 

I remember fan5 and various others arguing till they were blue in the face that it wasn't a problem. There was no cover up.

Whatabout.....

31 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Not for me. Because I didn't vote for the Labour Party on the strength of promises about winter fuel payments or inquiries into grooming gangs. 

I think they got it right on winter fuel payments given the circumstances - but we're perhaps a bit naive about the damage to their reputation it might do. 

And I'm glad they have come to this decision on grooming gangs. Whatever the reasoning is behind it. 

It's been an elephant in the room for a number of years now and I hope it will go some way in allowing us to move forward together. 

Unfortunately not all of his u turns have been positive ones (for many) 

2 hours ago, Zico said:

you mean like the cost of living crisis?

as for what she says

no doubt that's what she's seeing and what she feels, though her last tweet made me chuckle

I miss the London that felt English. That was proud, open, fun, and safe. Now it feels like a place that doesn’t belong to its own people. That's lost its identity. And no one is allowed to say it.

she is allowed to say it

she just did 10 tweets saying it

because she's allowed to

Aye ... You can say it but ... Then you'll be branded racist, far right, islamophobic etc etc.

1 hour ago, Ani said:

It is crazy that Tommy Robinson and Rupert Lowe are actually the ones who are ‘cleanest’ in terms of not hiding from the issue. 

Interesting 

3 hours ago, royal white said:

There’s a list doing the rounds of MPs who voted against the inquiry. 364 in total (2 from Bolton). Does anyone have any idea why so many would be against it? The vast majority are from one party but that’s another discussion. 

There was never a direct vote on it. The Tories put forward an amendment to the Child Wellbeing Act. For Labour this was a key piece of legislation and included implementing some of the findings of the initial grooming report.

You might remember the case of the kid where the parents decided she would be home schooled to stop the school asking about potential abuse.  Sara Sharif - The act closed the loop holes that allowed this.

https://news.sky.com/story/sara-sharif-murder-puts-spotlight-on-record-number-of-children-being-homeschooled-13275677

The Tories did not propose an amendment that would allow all this and have a national inquiry. They proposed ripping it up and starting again. So Labour who supported the main legislation rejected the amendment. If the Tories thought the inquiry do anything other than a political football they could have just proposed that. It is in the last 3 lines of their 28 line amendment. 

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9 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Interesting 

Broken clocks and all that, Matt is a full on conspiracy tin hatter. 

8 minutes ago, Ani said:

There was never a direct vote on it. The Tories put forward an amendment to the Child Wellbeing Act. For Labour this was a key piece of legislation and included implementing some of the findings of the initial grooming report.

You might remember the case of the kid where the parents decided she would be home schooled to stop the school asking about potential abuse.  Sara Sharif - The act closed the loop holes that allowed this.

https://news.sky.com/story/sara-sharif-murder-puts-spotlight-on-record-number-of-children-being-homeschooled-13275677

The Tories did not propose an amendment that would allow all this and have a national inquiry. They proposed ripping it up and starting again. So Labour who supported the main legislation rejected the amendment. If the Tories thought the inquiry do anything other than a political football they could have just proposed that. It is in the last 3 lines of their 28 line amendment. 

Aye.
 

And the majority of those who look at that list will believe those MPs voted against an inquiry. No effort to understand the full picture. Interesting seeing folk on here falling for it as well. 

24 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Aye ... You can say it but ... Then you'll be branded racist, far right, islamophobic etc etc.

so she's wrong then on that point, she is allwoed

and so what if someone does brand her that?  she's certainly uber right wing conservative that's for sure but for everyone who does brand her racist, there is someone who agrees with her

she's had 6k replies

and I've had a look at some

obviously someone has said stop being racist, but lots of people agreeing with her, and some saying it's not that bad, some places are shit, most are still ok

so looks like a debate going on with opinons from all sides but most people are agreeing with her

not sure what her issue is to be honest

freedom of speech alive and well despite her saying it's not

I'm branding her a crank

12 minutes ago, Zico said:

so she's wrong then on that point, she is allwoed

 

exactly 

shes talking out her arse. but nobody is saying she can’t. It’s a blatant lie so she can play the victim.

I’d agree with her that many of our towns feel less safe & friendly. It is sad walking around a town that’s not what it was.

I just disagree with her that foreigners have taken our identity & caused all of these issues. 
 

English identity means different things to different people for a start. She also implies that if you’re not native British and live in London, then it’s not your proper home. 

Edited June 17, 20251 yr by London Wanderer

13 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

exactly 

shes talking out her arse. but nobody is saying she can’t. It’s a blatant lie so she can play the victim.

I’d agree with her that many of our towns feel less safe & friendly. It is sad walking around a town that’s not what it was.

I just disagree with her that foreigners have taken our identity & caused all of these issues. 
 

English identity means different things to different people for a start. She also implies that if you’re not native British and live in London, then it’s not your proper home. 

it's the same across every big city in the west

it's the same in Bolton, it's not like it used to be, that's for sure

but I reckon I could go and have a lovely few days with the kids in London (or any big city in the west) if I wanted, with zero concern for my safety or feeling like i was being marginalised

she felt she was being judged by muslims

that's her issue, not theirs

 

8 minutes ago, Zico said:

it's the same across every big city in the west

it's the same in Bolton, it's not like it used to be, that's for sure

but I reckon I could go and have a lovely few days with the kids in London (or any big city in the west) if I wanted, with zero concern for my safety or feeling like i was being marginalised

she felt she was being judged by muslims

that's her issue, not theirs

 

I guess that’s the difference, nipping out for the day to see a few lions is different than living and working there. Same as Bolton. A wanderers fan was saying on FB last week how he has been back to the town centre for the first time in 4 years and it was looking a lot better. You ask the majority who are in there on a  daily/weekly basis and they will tell you different.

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