Politics

[gonzo]

7 minutes ago, Traf said:

Let's just agree that they're both odious cunts and move on to the next spat.

Zico and Royal?

[royal white]

7 minutes ago, Zico said:

along with the memories there was also a letter

https://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-farage-ukip-letter-school-concerns-racism-fascism

as been said, he said and did those things, that's not been denied, ut it's a subjective matter as to how offended folk are by them, and those who made him prefect were not offended

We have a long letter (below) written in June 1981 by a young English teacher, Chloe Deakin, begging the master of the college (head teacher), David Emms, to reconsider his decision to appoint Farage as a prefect. Deakin did not know Farage personally but her letter includes an account of what was said by staff at their annual meeting, held a few days earlier, to discuss new prefects.

The letter says that when one teacher said Farage was “a fascist, but that was no reason why he would not make a good prefect,”

Yes and the same teachers can’t remember writing or receiving a letter, and some of the things are being denied, it’s there in the link you posted 👍

[Zico]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Yes and the same teachers can’t remember writing or receiving a letter, and some of the things are being denied, it’s there in the link you posted 👍

Good job she put it all in writing then as I wouldn't expect someone who is presumably 75+ to remember what they did at work nearly 50 years ago

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Zico said:

Good job she put it all in writing then as I wouldn't expect someone who is presumably 75+ to remember what they did at work nearly 50 years ago

But students who were probably stoned around that time are all suddenly getting their memories back. Amazing aint it. As for the teacher, her letter was all second hand info, so this is where we are at,  2/3 hand info about some alleged name calling some 50 years ago, talk about scraping the barrel. All a bit silly ain’t it.

[Bertie]

14 minutes ago, royal white said:

But students who were probably stoned around that time are all suddenly getting their memories back. Amazing aint it. As for the teacher, her letter was all second hand info, so this is where we are at,  2/3 hand info about some alleged name calling some 50 years ago, talk about scraping the barrel. All a bit silly ain’t it.

Go with me on this…..IF we assume for a minute Farage had said those things, would you criticise/condemn him for doing so? Or will you duck this as well. 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Bertie said:

Go with me on this…..IF we assume for a minute Farage had said those things, would you criticise/condemn him for doing so? Or will you duck this as well. 

No, the same way I wouldn’t apologise for calling an Asian kid Chimpy, things were different then. 

[Zico]

29 minutes ago, royal white said:

But students who were probably stoned around that time are all suddenly getting their memories back. Amazing aint it. As for the teacher, her letter was all second hand info, so this is where we are at,  2/3 hand info about some alleged name calling some 50 years ago, talk about scraping the barrel. All a bit silly ain’t it.

yep, but with the accusations, the letter which backs up the accusations and Farage's U-Turn where he admits he said such things, but he didn't mean them, makes it a question not of whether it happened, but whether or not you find such things offensive

some do

some don't

[Bertie]

31 minutes ago, royal white said:

No, the same way I wouldn’t apologise for calling an Asian kid Chimpy, things were different then. 

We got there. As Zico says, it’s then personal choice in life what we find offensive.

Personally in this case I don’t buy the excuse of “things were different then”. Comments such as ”Hitler was right” and “gas them all” I think stand the test of time of being completely deplorable.

[Traf]

59 minutes ago, royal white said:

No, the same way I wouldn’t apologise for calling an Asian kid Chimpy, things were different then. 

I'm certainly no Farage fan, but you're right; things were very different then.

There's a fair few terrace chants you don't hear anymore and that you'd be jailed for singing.

[Ani]

8 minutes ago, Traf said:

I'm certainly no Farage fan, but you're right; things were very different then.

There's a fair few terrace chants you don't hear anymore and that you'd be jailed for singing.

Let’s accept things were different then and things that were deemed acceptable would now be totally out of order.

Despite the different standards his behaviour at the time was reported by others as unacceptable. So the idea it was ‘typical banter’ for the time really falls on itself 

Just shows how offensive his behaviour was even back then. 

[DirtySanchez]

Where's the cut off point between it being ok back then and not acceptable now?

If he had said it in 1980 say, would that be ok as it was back then or are we in a new era?

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

Where's the cut off point between it being ok back then and not acceptable now?

If he had said it in 1980 say, would that be ok as it was back then or are we in a new era?

When folk started to be offended by everything, probably 15 - 20 years ago? 

[Zico]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

When folk started to be offended by everything, probably 15 - 20 years ago? 

I reckon Let's just say 2000, that way we can dismiss it all as being "last century" 

[bolton va va]

As smears go, dredging up something Farage might have said when he was at school 50 years ago, is scraping the barrel.

Those who hate Farage will lap it up, those who support him will ignore it , but Bolty is right, the uncommited majority will see it as a rather desperate smear.

[Sweep]

3 minutes ago, bolton va va said:

As smears go, dredging up something Farage might have said when he was at school 50 years ago, is scraping the barrel.

Those who hate Farage will lap it up, those who support him will ignore it , but Bolty is right, the uncommited majority will see it as a rather desperate smear.

Agreed. I'd be very surprised if it swayed anybody one way or the other on their voting intentions. 

I don't like the bloke at all, but I really don't care what he was or wasn't  saying in the playground 50 years ago

[miamiwhite]

Time is meant to be a healer......but in some mindsets, it clearly isn't 

 

[DirtySanchez]

7 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Agreed. I'd be very surprised if it swayed anybody one way or the other on their voting intentions. 

I don't like the bloke at all, but I really don't care what he was or wasn't  saying in the playground 50 years ago

Younger people might be as they approach voting age and think about who to vote for

Those older lot who either like him or don't won't be changing their minds 

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

Younger people might be as they approach voting age and think about who to vote for

Those older lot who either like him or don't won't be changing their minds 

I'm, generally, going off the fact that  those who would vote for him and his party, know already that he's a racist and deeply unpleasant individual anyway, they just don't care. 

[DirtySanchez]

2 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I'm, generally, going off the fact that  those who would vote for him and his party, know already that he's a racist and deeply unpleasant individual anyway, they just don't care. 

Aye I agree though think I read that Reform are getting a lot of younger voters in, but something like this could sway them or up and coming voters 

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, DirtySanchez said:

Aye I agree though think I read that Reform are getting a lot of younger voters in, but something like this could sway them or up and coming voters 

I suspect he won't be leading them come the next GE anyway, they'll have replaced him with somebody equally repulsive though I'm sure 😉

[DirtySanchez]

6 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I suspect he won't be leading them come the next GE anyway, they'll have replaced him with somebody equally repulsive though I'm sure 😉

Isabel Oakeshott

Yay or nay? 

Given I've said I'd shag Liz Truss and morals aren't a problem, you can see my thinking 🤔 

[jmjhb]

32 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Agreed. I'd be very surprised if it swayed anybody one way or the other on their voting intentions. 

I don't like the bloke at all, but I really don't care what he was or wasn't  saying in the playground 50 years ago

Likewise the Maccabi Tel Aviv or el-Fattah stuff; it's not going to change anyone's mind on voting intentions, is it?

[royal white]

17 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

Aye I agree though think I read that Reform are getting a lot of younger voters in, but something like this could sway them or up and coming voters 

Youngsters might have a look on Twitter.  If they do they will see Zia Yusuf, a brown muzzie from a family of immigrants pushing for Farage, or they might look at KS tweets with one of his latest ones was him being delighted that the Egyptian fella who wants whites, Jews and coppers dead is coming back to the UK. 

[jmjhb]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Youngsters might have a look on Twitter.  If they do they will see Zia Yusuf, a brown muzzie from a family of immigrants pushing for Farage, or they might look at KS tweets with one of his latest ones was him being delighted that the Egyptian fella who wants whites, Jews and coppers dead is coming back to the UK. 

Are youngsters on Twitter? Lefties went to BlueSky, right-leaning still on there, older generation on Facebook. They're all on Tiktok these days I believe.

[miamiwhite]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

Youngsters might have a look on Twitter.  If they do they will see Zia Yusuf, a brown muzzie from a family of immigrants pushing for Farage, or they might look at KS tweets with one of his latest ones was him being delighted that the Egyptian fella who wants whites, Jews and coppers dead is coming back to the UK. 

I see the latest polls are showing a horrendously low show of support for the temporary PM's government