What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

Just for a bit of balance, Starmer is on U turn number 13 now. There’s always a tweet. 
 

 

 

11 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Come on. He said it. You know he did. We all know he did. 
 

Whether it should matter or not is a different matter. 

You know do you. Presumably you were there?

It doesn't matter in any way but there are left leaners who will ride it til it dies. 'Thicko's' like Cheese for example.

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Just for a bit of balance, Starmer is on U turn number 13 now. There’s always a tweet. 
 

 

 

The current incumbent will build a healthy lead in the all time leading U turn scorers list - you can bank on it.

(Hold on a moment, I just have to go and check that 'incumbent' isn't a salad ingredient).

5 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

You know do you. Presumably you were there?

It doesn't matter in any way but there are left leaners who will ride it til it dies. 'Thicko's' like Cheese for example.

You know too. Just say it. Be honest. Dare you. 😀

3 hours ago, mickbrown said:

You know too. Just say it. Be honest. Dare you. 😀

I don't. So can't. Always. WTF. 

It was ok when Boris did it.

So why have his supporters suddenly done a U-turn?

🥳

Northern Powerhouse rail back on.  Good to see Labour reversing a Tory u-turn.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20dw4yrxnlo

Mind you they’ll probably change their mind as well 😞 

Edited January 14Jan 14 by Bertie

Rachel Reeves 

is on BBC1 breakfast now 

first time i have heard her speak proper 

Thick as Mince 

sounds like a Footballer 

1 hour ago, Spider said:

It was ok when Boris did it.

So why have his supporters suddenly done a U-turn?

🥳

It's always a bad look.

Sometimes it can be little more than an idea being "tested"- which Boris et al sometimes did, but it still appears stupid.

Can't win really, as if it's a bad policy then the public will object, and then rowing back is a sign if weakness.

It's probably better to change than keep going, but it's a lose-lose situation nonetheless.

Trouble with some of this is that manifesto promises have been broken in very quick time. Others moves were never in the manifesto, and may have cost votes if they were.

Your whataboutery doesn't alter the facts- hube number of changes in just 18 months, and the message above is simply meat and drink to the opposition. 

They're a shambles.

23 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

 

Your whataboutery doesn't alter the facts- hube number of changes in just 18 months, and the message above is simply meat and drink to the opposition. 

They're a shambles.

agreed.....

 

Sadly though, so is the opposition. There really isn't a single party who you'd want running the country at the minute. It pains me to say it, but Labour are probably the best of a bad bunch as we stand

30 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

It's always a bad look.

Sometimes it can be little more than an idea being "tested"- which Boris et al sometimes did, but it still appears stupid.

Can't win really, as if it's a bad policy then the public will object, and then rowing back is a sign if weakness.

It's probably better to change than keep going, but it's a lose-lose situation nonetheless.

Trouble with some of this is that manifesto promises have been broken in very quick time. Others moves were never in the manifesto, and may have cost votes if they were.

Your whataboutery doesn't alter the facts- hube number of changes in just 18 months, and the message above is simply meat and drink to the opposition. 

They're a shambles.

On what planet did he think digital ID and his reason (stop illegal workers) for introducing it would be a success for the party / country? 

7 hours ago, bolty58 said:

I don't. So can't. Always. WTF. 

So 38 ‘left wing’ liars v one honest upstanding Nigel. 
 

Aye, sounds entirely feasible 

3 hours ago, royal white said:

On what planet did he think digital ID and his reason (stop illegal workers) for introducing it would be a success for the party / country? 

Probably because it would make the raids like we were talking about yesterday (and all agreed needed to be stepped up) much, much easier. 

Hi Mr Turkish Barber - can I see your digital ID please?

Sorry, I don't have one. 

Off you pop then! 

Given that illegal immigration seems to be the number one topic amongst voters at the moment, I don't think the principle of the idea is necessarily a bad one. 

If it had been packaged up with a larger number of other ideas and sold to the public right - whilst acknowledging people's weird fears about their privacy being compromised - I think it could have been a step in the right direction.

And I'm almost certain had Nigel proposed it - people would have been delighted with the idea. 

But that's the world we live in I think.

7 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Probably because it would make the raids like we were talking about yesterday (and all agreed needed to be stepped up) much, much easier. 

Hi Mr Turkish Barber - can I see your digital ID please?

Sorry, I don't have one. 

Off you pop then! 

Given that illegal immigration seems to be the number one topic amongst voters at the moment, I don't think the principle of the idea is necessarily a bad one. 

If it had been packaged up with a larger number of other ideas and sold to the public right - whilst acknowledging people's weird fears about their privacy being compromised - I think it could have been a step in the right direction.

And I'm almost certain had Nigel proposed it - people would have been delighted with the idea. 

But that's the world we live in I think.

Hi Mr Turkish Barber can I get your NI number please?
 

What do you mean you don’t have one? 
 

Off you pop. 
 

I wasn’t bothered about one from the start, in fact I said on here it would be better if it had everything on, passport, driving licence etc but it was clear from the start that so many from  all sides were against it. 

4 hours ago, royal white said:

On what planet did he think digital ID and his reason (stop illegal workers) for introducing it would be a success for the party / country? 

Exactly. I'm all for digital IDs etc, but they would never stop illegals working

41 minutes ago, royal white said:

 

I wasn’t bothered about one from the start, in fact I said on here it would be better if it had everything on, passport, driving licence etc but it was clear from the start that so many from  all sides were against it. 

Agreed, everything on one document as it were, we already have NI numbers and passports and driving licences - why not combine them (ultimately it would reduce costs I'd have thought), and we could go further, as soon as your born, your DNA is swabbed, so you're on record. If you come and live in this country, legally, your DNA is swabbed

 

I do agree with @kent_whiteabove, if Farage put it in his manifesto, some of those people decrying it, would love it and say what a great idea it is

41 minutes ago, royal white said:

Hi Mr Turkish Barber can I get your NI number please?
 

What do you mean you don’t have one? 
 

Off you pop. 
 

I wasn’t bothered about one from the start, in fact I said on here it would be better if it had everything on, passport, driving licence etc but it was clear from the start that so many from  all sides were against it. 

Presumably these ID cards were biometric and more advanced than just a string of numbers. 

And NI numbers aren't really attached to any other details other than a name or DOB. They don't have a picture on for example. Where as with an ID card it would be much easier for the police to verify on the spot. Plus it would give them a direct link to that person's immigration status and whether they have a right to work in the UK. 

I wasn't really arsed either. Seemee fairly good sense to me. Not sure whether it's worked in the other countries where it's been introduced or not. But presumably they weighed up that it was worth the cost. 

I know which way I'd be leaning towards if I was Border Force or in the Immigration Service though! 

 

So everyone’s happy with the outcome then?

Splendid.

Jenrick GONE (sacked by Badenoch)

51 minutes ago, jmjhb said:

Jenrick GONE (sacked by Badenoch)

I thought he'd be next Conservative leader.....Farage has said that Jenrick wasn't going to join Reform. I guess that means he will do in the next few days

 

Edit: Farage did call Jenrick a fraud only 6 months ago....so maybe he won't pitch up there 😉

 

Edited January 15Jan 15 by Sweep

37 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I thought he'd be next Conservative leader.....Farage has said that Jenrick wasn't going to join Reform. I guess that means he will do in the next few days

 

Edit: Farage did call Jenrick a fraud only 6 months ago....so maybe he won't pitch up there 😉

 

He's a very strange man is Robert Jenrick. And seems to have been more interested in his one man 'Cook Report' style videos, shaming people selling stolen work tools at car boot sales. 

Not that this doesn't need stamping out. But there is such a word as 'delegation' mister former Shadow Justice Secretary 😁

Would be a big name, quality signing for Reform.Like Wrexham securing Kieffer Moore.Despite Farage's comments about Epping, Jenrick doesn't like mass immigration for sure.

1 minute ago, Roger_Dubuis said:

Would be a big name, quality signing for Reform.Like Wrexham securing Kieffer Moore.Despite Farage's comments about Epping, Jenrick doesn't like mass immigration for sure.

He's basically Alan Partridge on steroids though! 😁

2 minutes ago, Roger_Dubuis said:

Would be a big name, quality signing for Reform.Like Wrexham securing Kieffer Moore.Despite Farage's comments about Epping, Jenrick doesn't like mass immigration for sure.

I agree, it would be the first "decent " signing that Reform have made, Zahawi, Dorries and Anderson are just all wankers/chancers, Jenrick does have something about him, and could well be the person to lead Reform into the next GE, once Farage bails 

10 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I agree, it would be the first "decent " signing that Reform have made, Zahawi, Dorries and Anderson are just all wankers/chancers, Jenrick does have something about him, and could well be the person to lead Reform into the next GE, once Farage bails 

Will this really turn the needle as far as the public is concerned? Does Jenrick have a public following like Farage, Corbyn, Boris, etc?

Edited January 15Jan 15 by jmjhb