Just now, jmjhb said:

Starmer has properly fucked it though; appealing to the Reform base, failing to do so and consequently losing a core demographic to the Greens.

Gone by May, and it'll be for the best.

Nonsense.

3 hours ago, mickbrown said:

Aye, because the Labour movement was brought about with the intention of destroying industry and manufacturing 
 

The clue is in the name. 

Current  labour government policy is to accelerate net zero initiatives which are contributing to the UK having some of the highest industrial energy prices in the world. Manufacturing sectors which have high energy requirements are increasing uncompetitive, the Chemical sector in the UK has already been very adversely affected. Jobs will continue to be lost.

The end of new licences in the North Sea is contributing to the continuing loss of jobs in the oil sector (we seem to be OK with paying for gas from the Norwegian sector of the North Sea).

As well as the lost jobs, many of them skilled and well paid, we are reducing out ability to export and increasing our need to import energy and industrial products.

5 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Nonsense.

Nah, he's properly wishy-washy. Just repeating Farage's comments on sectarian voting last night. Hardly words to bring the nation together.

2 minutes ago, Tony said:

Current  labour government policy is to accelerate net zero initiatives which are contributing to the UK having some of the highest industrial energy prices in the world. Manufacturing sectors which have high energy requirements are increasing uncompetitive, the Chemical sector in the UK has already been very adversely affected. Jobs will continue to be lost.

The end of new licences in the North Sea is contributing to the continuing loss of jobs in the oil sector (we seem to be OK with paying for gas from the Norwegian sector of the North Sea).

As well as the lost jobs, many of them skilled and well paid, we are reducing out ability to export and increasing our need to import energy and industrial products.

Have you been in a coma for the last 2 decades?

This is what was sent out to Labour MPs today

Edited February 27Feb 27 by jmjhb

 

17 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Have you been in a coma for the last 2 decades?

OK just checking my notes.

Ed Miliband appointed Energy Secretary July 2024 commences accelerating net zero initiatives.

December 2025

New policy

End to issuing new oil and gas exploration licences in the North Sea.

Just now, Tony said:

OK just checking my notes.

Ed Miliband appointed Energy Secretary July 2024 commences accelerating net zero initiatives.

December 2025

New policy

End to issuing new oil and gas exploration licences in the North Sea.

So you think a policy that has been in place for 2 months has destroyed our manufacturing industry, but the previous 15 years had nothing to do with it?

27 minutes ago, Tony said:

Current  labour government policy is to accelerate net zero initiatives which are contributing to the UK having some of the highest industrial energy prices in the world. Manufacturing sectors which have high energy requirements are increasing uncompetitive, the Chemical sector in the UK has already been very adversely affected. Jobs will continue to be lost.

The end of new licences in the North Sea is contributing to the continuing loss of jobs in the oil sector (we seem to be OK with paying for gas from the Norwegian sector of the North Sea).

As well as the lost jobs, many of them skilled and well paid, we are reducing out ability to export and increasing our need to import energy and industrial products.

Our mishandling of North Sea oil and gas predates Starmer by absolutely decades.

24 minutes ago, jmjhb said:

This is what was sent out to Labour MPs today

You missed of the PS.

PS I am going to stop changing my mind

PPS Maybe

1 hour ago, mickbrown said:

They be like every other local electorate. They’ll ask for nowt and get fuck all. 

We'll see

10 minutes ago, Cheese said:

So you think a policy that has been in place for 2 months has destroyed our manufacturing industry, but the previous 15 years had nothing to do with it?

Just to highlight what I said

"driving remaining manufacturing jobs into oblivion"

11 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Our mishandling of North Sea oil and gas predates Starmer by absolutely decades.

I refer to my reply to Cheese.

8 minutes ago, Tony said:

Just to highlight what I said

"driving remaining manufacturing jobs into oblivion"

Yet your preference for Government would be the party responsible for the last 2 decades of "manufacturing job losses", even though the policy you blame was only introduced 2 months ago... You seem a bit confused.

Have you considered that the world is moving on from Fossil Fuels, and most future energy manufacturing jobs will be in renewables?

Edited February 27Feb 27 by Cheese

Boris loves renewables, he loves net zero too. Funny how a fake eccentricity and silly hair makes folk forgetful.

4 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Boris loves renewables, he loves net zero too. Funny how a fake eccentricity and silly hair makes folk forgetful.

...and ill fitting suits, coupled with the odd latin phrase. 

19 minutes ago, Tony said:

Just to highlight what I said

"driving remaining manufacturing jobs into oblivion"

You are conveniently failing to mention the jobs that are being created in the renewable sector.

And there are plenty.

Trust me.

And your views on North Sea oil are pretty outdated.

And the cost of energy?

All run by companies whose main goal is to maximise profits for shareholders.

Maybe the Tories privatising everything they could get their grubby fucking hands on wasn't such a great idea afterall.

 

12 minutes ago, Spider said:

You are conveniently failing to mention the jobs that are being created in the renewable sector.

And there are plenty.

Trust me.

And your views on North Sea oil are pretty outdated.

I hope the number of renewable jobs do increase and it becomes a successful part of the economy, but we will need steel, bricks, cement, consumer products, plastics etc. If we don't make them ourselves we will have to import them.

I do not understand why we would stop developing gas fields in the North Sea when we import gas from the Norwegian part of the North Sea.

2 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

And the cost of energy?

All run by companies whose main goal is to maximise profits for shareholders.

Maybe the Tories privatising everything they could get their grubby fucking hands on wasn't such a great idea afterall.

 

Few people made a few bob off undervalued shares to make prols think Maggie had their interests at heart (not that she had one)

19 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

And the cost of energy?

All run by companies whose main goal is to maximise profits for shareholders.

Maybe the Tories privatising everything they could get their grubby fucking hands on wasn't such a great idea afterall.

 

Communist!

12 minutes ago, Tony said:

I hope the number of renewable jobs do increase and it becomes a successful part of the economy, but we will need steel, bricks, cement, consumer products, plastics etc. If we don't make them ourselves we will have to import them.

I do not understand why we would stop developing gas fields in the North Sea when we import gas from the Norwegian part of the North Sea.

I agree, it needs to be a transition. Maybe ask your previous Tory governments why we are in this situation.

That isn't a dig but an observation on where we are right now.

15 minutes ago, Tony said:

I hope the number of renewable jobs do increase and it becomes a successful part of the economy, but we will need steel, bricks, cement, consumer products, plastics etc. If we don't make them ourselves we will have to import them.

I do not understand why we would stop developing gas fields in the North Sea when we import gas from the Norwegian part of the North Sea.

Tony

North Sea oil and gas isn’t owned by countries, it is owned by private companies.

This pre-dates Starmer by at least a generation.

Labour can be blamed for a few failings, but this isn’t one of them. At least Miliband is trying to reduce our addiction to fossil fuels. Long term, it’s the only way we will be able to control pricing again.

 

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

Have you been in a coma for the last 2 decades?

Sounds like he’s just had Jim Ratcliffe’s speech on repeat in his head

 We absolutely need to transition to renewables. 

Just now, London Wanderer said:

Sounds like he’s just had Jim Ratcliffe’s speech on repeat in his head

 We absolutely need to transition to renewables. 

We do

And there’s actually no need to get rid of fossil fuels, they have a place for decades yet. But as demand slows, the price will drop, and as renewables increase, the costs will drop there too.

As ever, the answer lies not at the extremes of this, but somewhere in the middle.

A balance of energy sources benefits us all. Options, choices - always drivers of competitiveness.

The anti-renewables mob are actually a bit menkul but they tend to be of an age group that won’t be around when the crunch comes.