Cheese Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Just now, jmjhb said: Starmer has properly fucked it though; appealing to the Reform base, failing to do so and consequently losing a core demographic to the Greens. Gone by May, and it'll be for the best. Nonsense. Quote
Tony Posted February 27 Posted February 27 3 hours ago, mickbrown said: Aye, because the Labour movement was brought about with the intention of destroying industry and manufacturing The clue is in the name. Current labour government policy is to accelerate net zero initiatives which are contributing to the UK having some of the highest industrial energy prices in the world. Manufacturing sectors which have high energy requirements are increasing uncompetitive, the Chemical sector in the UK has already been very adversely affected. Jobs will continue to be lost. The end of new licences in the North Sea is contributing to the continuing loss of jobs in the oil sector (we seem to be OK with paying for gas from the Norwegian sector of the North Sea). As well as the lost jobs, many of them skilled and well paid, we are reducing out ability to export and increasing our need to import energy and industrial products. Quote
jmjhb Posted February 27 Posted February 27 5 minutes ago, Cheese said: Nonsense. Nah, he's properly wishy-washy. Just repeating Farage's comments on sectarian voting last night. Hardly words to bring the nation together. Quote
Cheese Posted February 27 Posted February 27 2 minutes ago, Tony said: Current labour government policy is to accelerate net zero initiatives which are contributing to the UK having some of the highest industrial energy prices in the world. Manufacturing sectors which have high energy requirements are increasing uncompetitive, the Chemical sector in the UK has already been very adversely affected. Jobs will continue to be lost. The end of new licences in the North Sea is contributing to the continuing loss of jobs in the oil sector (we seem to be OK with paying for gas from the Norwegian sector of the North Sea). As well as the lost jobs, many of them skilled and well paid, we are reducing out ability to export and increasing our need to import energy and industrial products. Have you been in a coma for the last 2 decades? Quote
jmjhb Posted February 27 Posted February 27 (edited) This is what was sent out to Labour MPs today Edited February 27 by jmjhb Quote
Tony Posted February 27 Posted February 27 17 minutes ago, Cheese said: Have you been in a coma for the last 2 decades? OK just checking my notes. Ed Miliband appointed Energy Secretary July 2024 commences accelerating net zero initiatives. December 2025 New policy End to issuing new oil and gas exploration licences in the North Sea. Quote
Cheese Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Just now, Tony said: OK just checking my notes. Ed Miliband appointed Energy Secretary July 2024 commences accelerating net zero initiatives. December 2025 New policy End to issuing new oil and gas exploration licences in the North Sea. So you think a policy that has been in place for 2 months has destroyed our manufacturing industry, but the previous 15 years had nothing to do with it? Quote
mickbrown Posted February 27 Posted February 27 27 minutes ago, Tony said: Current labour government policy is to accelerate net zero initiatives which are contributing to the UK having some of the highest industrial energy prices in the world. Manufacturing sectors which have high energy requirements are increasing uncompetitive, the Chemical sector in the UK has already been very adversely affected. Jobs will continue to be lost. The end of new licences in the North Sea is contributing to the continuing loss of jobs in the oil sector (we seem to be OK with paying for gas from the Norwegian sector of the North Sea). As well as the lost jobs, many of them skilled and well paid, we are reducing out ability to export and increasing our need to import energy and industrial products. Our mishandling of North Sea oil and gas predates Starmer by absolutely decades. Quote
Ani Posted February 27 Posted February 27 24 minutes ago, jmjhb said: This is what was sent out to Labour MPs today You missed of the PS. PS I am going to stop changing my mind PPS Maybe Quote
athywhite1958 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 1 hour ago, mickbrown said: They be like every other local electorate. They’ll ask for nowt and get fuck all. We'll see Quote
Tony Posted February 27 Posted February 27 10 minutes ago, Cheese said: So you think a policy that has been in place for 2 months has destroyed our manufacturing industry, but the previous 15 years had nothing to do with it? Just to highlight what I said "driving remaining manufacturing jobs into oblivion" Quote
Tony Posted February 27 Posted February 27 11 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Our mishandling of North Sea oil and gas predates Starmer by absolutely decades. I refer to my reply to Cheese. Quote
Cheese Posted February 27 Posted February 27 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Tony said: Just to highlight what I said "driving remaining manufacturing jobs into oblivion" Yet your preference for Government would be the party responsible for the last 2 decades of "manufacturing job losses", even though the policy you blame was only introduced 2 months ago... You seem a bit confused. Have you considered that the world is moving on from Fossil Fuels, and most future energy manufacturing jobs will be in renewables? Edited February 27 by Cheese Quote
Winchester White Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Boris loves renewables, he loves net zero too. Funny how a fake eccentricity and silly hair makes folk forgetful. Quote
Sweep Posted February 27 Posted February 27 4 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Boris loves renewables, he loves net zero too. Funny how a fake eccentricity and silly hair makes folk forgetful. ...and ill fitting suits, coupled with the odd latin phrase. Quote
Spider Posted February 27 Posted February 27 19 minutes ago, Tony said: Just to highlight what I said "driving remaining manufacturing jobs into oblivion" You are conveniently failing to mention the jobs that are being created in the renewable sector. And there are plenty. Trust me. And your views on North Sea oil are pretty outdated. Quote
mickbrown Posted February 27 Posted February 27 And the cost of energy? All run by companies whose main goal is to maximise profits for shareholders. Maybe the Tories privatising everything they could get their grubby fucking hands on wasn't such a great idea afterall. Quote
Tony Posted February 27 Posted February 27 12 minutes ago, Spider said: You are conveniently failing to mention the jobs that are being created in the renewable sector. And there are plenty. Trust me. And your views on North Sea oil are pretty outdated. I hope the number of renewable jobs do increase and it becomes a successful part of the economy, but we will need steel, bricks, cement, consumer products, plastics etc. If we don't make them ourselves we will have to import them. I do not understand why we would stop developing gas fields in the North Sea when we import gas from the Norwegian part of the North Sea. Quote
green genie Posted February 27 Posted February 27 2 minutes ago, mickbrown said: And the cost of energy? All run by companies whose main goal is to maximise profits for shareholders. Maybe the Tories privatising everything they could get their grubby fucking hands on wasn't such a great idea afterall. Few people made a few bob off undervalued shares to make prols think Maggie had their interests at heart (not that she had one) Quote
Sweep Posted February 27 Posted February 27 19 minutes ago, mickbrown said: And the cost of energy? All run by companies whose main goal is to maximise profits for shareholders. Maybe the Tories privatising everything they could get their grubby fucking hands on wasn't such a great idea afterall. Communist! Quote
Winchester White Posted February 27 Posted February 27 12 minutes ago, Tony said: I hope the number of renewable jobs do increase and it becomes a successful part of the economy, but we will need steel, bricks, cement, consumer products, plastics etc. If we don't make them ourselves we will have to import them. I do not understand why we would stop developing gas fields in the North Sea when we import gas from the Norwegian part of the North Sea. I agree, it needs to be a transition. Maybe ask your previous Tory governments why we are in this situation. That isn't a dig but an observation on where we are right now. Quote
Spider Posted February 27 Posted February 27 15 minutes ago, Tony said: I hope the number of renewable jobs do increase and it becomes a successful part of the economy, but we will need steel, bricks, cement, consumer products, plastics etc. If we don't make them ourselves we will have to import them. I do not understand why we would stop developing gas fields in the North Sea when we import gas from the Norwegian part of the North Sea. Tony North Sea oil and gas isn’t owned by countries, it is owned by private companies. This pre-dates Starmer by at least a generation. Labour can be blamed for a few failings, but this isn’t one of them. At least Miliband is trying to reduce our addiction to fossil fuels. Long term, it’s the only way we will be able to control pricing again. Quote
London Wanderer Posted February 27 Posted February 27 1 hour ago, Cheese said: Have you been in a coma for the last 2 decades? Sounds like he’s just had Jim Ratcliffe’s speech on repeat in his head We absolutely need to transition to renewables. Quote
Spider Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Just now, London Wanderer said: Sounds like he’s just had Jim Ratcliffe’s speech on repeat in his head We absolutely need to transition to renewables. We do And there’s actually no need to get rid of fossil fuels, they have a place for decades yet. But as demand slows, the price will drop, and as renewables increase, the costs will drop there too. As ever, the answer lies not at the extremes of this, but somewhere in the middle. A balance of energy sources benefits us all. Options, choices - always drivers of competitiveness. The anti-renewables mob are actually a bit menkul but they tend to be of an age group that won’t be around when the crunch comes. Quote
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