Politics

[Guest]

Just now, ZiggyStardust said:

I'm not sure.

The court has ruled that he/shecan't shut down parliament when the court decides he/she can't, but at other times, can. Its a strange ruling TBH, as it doesn't state for instance can they do this when Brexit isn't happening, or is this a permamnet thing. It doesnt state  maximum period of prorog available.

Its something thats done every single year (with the exception of the last two years).

My main gripe (if thats the right word) is that those complaing of the 5 week prorog were happy that it was closed for 4 of those weeks already, and had made no motions or mentions to cancel these meetings and contine parliamentary sessions.

(yes I understand the difference between recess and prorog).

Parliament is not closed during recess. 

[ZiggyStardust]

Just now, bwfcfan5 said:

Parliament is not closed during recess. 

The sun rises in the east.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

21 minutes ago, Ani said:

No does not say that. 

Bang on. It says the prorogation was unlawful because of its effect on parliament etc.

Doesn't say he lied to the queen.

Legal folk might need to check exactly, but I don't think he broke the law as such, as it didn't exist at the time. However the action taken has now been judged as unlawful- the law changes all the time through precedent.

The courts decision now forms the basis of new law if I understand it correctly, in the meantime parliament will reconvene.

Whether he will resign we'll have to see.

I don't see the court as being politically motivated, as the effect of prorogation was quite clear. In doing so however, he may have already achieved his aim, at least in part.

[mickbrown]

1 minute ago, Moon boy said:

We are in uncharted waters, effectively now no one is running the country

What happens next is unknown, but surely we, the people, need to elect a group of MP’s who represents the current will of the Electorate and we need to do this as soon as possible 

If we don’t shut Parliament down now till the GE takes place Anarchy will be possible 

Why would having parliament open until a GE mean there would be anarchy?

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Bang on. It says the prorogation was unlawful because of its effect on parliament etc.

Doesn't say he lied to the queen.

Legal folk might need to check exactly, but I don't think he broke the law as such, as it didn't exist at the time. However the action taken has now been judged as unlawful- the law changes all the time through precedent.

The courts decision now forms the basis of new law if I understand it correctly, in the meantime parliament will reconvene.

Whether he will resign we'll have to see.

I don't see the court as being politically motivated, as the effect of prorogation was quite clear. In doing so however, he may have already achieved his aim, at least in part.

They upheld the judgement that he misled the queen. 

[Guest]

Just now, mickbrown said:

Why would having parliament open until a GE mean there would be anarchy?

 

If there's anarchy get the firehoses and batons out. That's what they seem to like. 

[ZiggyStardust]

Just now, bwfcfan5 said:

They upheld the judgement that he misled the queen. 

That is different to lying.

[mickbrown]

1 minute ago, bwfcfan5 said:

If there's anarchy get the firehoses and batons out. That's what they seem to like. 

Fire bobbies and coppers will be on a 4 day week. 

[Guest]

Just now, ZiggyStardust said:

That is different to lying.

Indeed. As recess is different to closure. 

[mickbrown]

1 minute ago, ZiggyStardust said:

That is different to lying.

How?

And it’s not like he’s got previous. 

[ZiggyStardust]

1 minute ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Indeed. As recess is different to closure. 

almost.

Parliament is closed, but can be reconvened. During Prorog it can't.

 

[ZiggyStardust]

Just now, mickbrown said:

How?

And it’s not like he’s got previous. 

lying is intentionally misleading.

Misleading is misleading, whether you know you are in the wrong or not.

 

[Spider]

Misled.

Lying.

 

Hmmmmmmm

[Moon boy]

7 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Why would having parliament open until a GE mean there would be anarchy?

 

Anarchy- a state of disorder or non recognition of Authority, Absence of Government 

Who, now, is the Authority? 

The Government of the day or a bunch of MP’s

[Tonge moor green jacket]

No one knows what he actually said to the queen. So to say he lied is not something that can be proven. He may have told her explicitly that the length of the prorogation was intended to give him a boost, though I doubt it. It's a phrase being used in some quarters, but wasn't by Lady Hale. 

They found the prorogation unlawful, and said the speaker should now decide what happens.

He has now said parliament should start sitting again.

As for Boris, if be chooses to go or not, the current impass remains.

Gove the next one in?

 

 

 

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

almost.

Parliament is closed, but can be reconvened. During Prorog it can't.

 

It isn't sitting in the main chamber. But it isn't closed. Stuff can still be going on in committees, urgent questions can still be raised etc...

[mickbrown]

18 minutes ago, Moon boy said:

Anarchy- a state of disorder or non recognition of Authority, Absence of Government 

Who, now, is the Authority? 

The Government of the day or a bunch of MP’s

So your solution to an absence of government is to have an absence of government?

[mickbrown]

24 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

lying is intentionally misleading.

Misleading is misleading, whether you know you are in the wrong or not.

 

This is Boris we’re talking about. He know what he was doing.  

He has lied/misled in every job he’s ever had. 

[Moon boy]

1 minute ago, mickbrown said:

So your solution to an absence of government is to have an absence of government?

What’s your solution to the absence of Government?

[MalcolmW]

1 minute ago, Moon boy said:

What’s your solution to the absence of Government?

Abolish the Fixed Term Parliament Act and allow the PM of the day to actually call an election.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Politics live at the moment.

Barry Gardiner not committed to having a vote of no confidence, as it may bring about an election before they want one. Waiting to see what labour policy will be.

[Casino]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I don’t agree that he broke the law, there is no doubt the Supreme Court decision was politically motivated. We need an election so the people can speak. 

you are truly delusional

[Moon boy]

Just now, MalcolmW said:

Abolish the Fixed Term Parliament Act and allow the PM of the day to actually call an election.

 

He actually has, called an election, October 15th🤫

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, MalcolmW said:

Abolish the Fixed Term Parliament Act and allow the PM of the day to actually call an election.

 

That needs parliament to undo the act. Not going to do that yet!

[mickbrown]

6 minutes ago, Moon boy said:

What’s your solution to the absence of Government?

Government