deane koontz Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 We've been here before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 20, 2019 Moderators Share Posted September 20, 2019 30 minutes ago, deane koontz said: We've been here before. many times im not sure why there is suddenly this feeling all is going well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySanchez Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Moon boy said: Thanks for clearing that up My ‘suggestion ‘ is that Gammons don’t frequent Facebook in enough numbers to influence a Referendum How many users did you think Facebook have in the UK to think 40M+ was fake news? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 20, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Hoppy510 said: One of the hardest things to do is to admit you were conned and manipulated but I'm prepared to do it as I voted to Leave with the free trade deal I was promised in the referendum. After all it was going to be "the easiest in human history" to negotiate especially as "we hold all the cards". Nobody is prepared to consider that they have been manipulated, believed lies they were told and nobody likes being taken for a mug which is presumably why the conversation has been closed down and rather than manning up, many leavers are now trying to say no deal is what they voted for all along and that all leave voters voted for the same thing. We didn't. Not all leave voters did so for the same reasons. Clearly. Some obviously wanted a clean break, others didn't. There were two different groups campaigning for leave, but with different ultimate aims. That wasn't the choice though. Both options represent leave, so whichever happens, no point complaining. Not sure why you feel manipulated, especially considering we haven't actually left yet. It's looking like you will get your deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 Aren’t the left leaning side on politics meant to be the social media champions ? Labour were bleating about it the last time we had an election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Moon boy said: My ‘suggestion ‘ is that Gammons don’t frequent Facebook in enough numbers to influence a Referendum Fuck off. There's enough Gammons frequenting Wanderersways alone to have influenced a referendum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Aren’t the left leaning side on politics meant to be the social media champions ? Labour were bleating about it the last time we had an election. They were - but they're leaving Facebook in droves. It's mainly now middle aged men watching videos about Jordan Peterson and their wives sharing pictures of dogs which have gone missing in Johannesburg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 minute ago, kent_white said: They were - but they're leaving Facebook in droves. It's mainly now middle aged men watching videos about Jordan Peterson and their wives sharing pictures of dogs which have gone missing in Johannesburg Aaaww, that’s cute Anyway, 17.4 million people doesn’t equate to 42 million Facebook users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, kent_white said: They were - but they're leaving Facebook in droves. It's mainly now middle aged men watching videos about Jordan Peterson and their wives sharing pictures of dogs which have gone missing in Johannesburg Who is Jordan Peterson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 minute ago, miamiwhite said: Aaaww, that’s cute Anyway, 17.4 million people doesn’t equate to 42 million Facebook users. What was the margin? About 1.5 million. I think it's hard to prove that Facebook was definitely responsible for a swing one way or another - but it's certainly plausible. I think anybody who's in politics and not using it to its absolute maximum potential is missing a trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 minute ago, boltondiver said: Who is Jordan Peterson? I'm sure you know already. I actually quite like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Not all leave voters did so for the same reasons. Clearly. Some obviously wanted a clean break, others didn't. There were two different groups campaigning for leave, but with different ultimate aims. That wasn't the choice though. Both options represent leave, so whichever happens, no point complaining. Not sure why you feel manipulated, especially considering we haven't actually left yet. It's looking like you will get your deal. Which goes back to the basic fault with referendum. The split was not in/out. It was Remain/leave clean/leave deal. As Leave was lumped together we end up with the 2 least popular options beating the most popular. But given we did not split the referendum why is now consisted undemocratic to be saying that the 48% should have some say in how the outcome looks ? Fair to assume the vast majority of Remain would take deal as ‘the lesser of two evils’ ? It feels that the minority leave without a deal folk think they now own the outcome. Little pisses me off more than idiots saying ‘we didn’t vote to leave with a deal we voted to leave. ‘ it is a totally nonsensical statement. We also did not vote without a deal. Those options were not offered. Lets assume we do get a deal what are the chances the tax avoidance laws are not included. I keep asking and no one seems to want to answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon boy Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 2 hours ago, DirtySanchez said: How many users did you think Facebook have in the UK to think 40M+ was fake news? ,The population of the U.K. is 65mill. 63% are aged 16-64 do the math, I’ll save you the mither that’s 40million, How many users do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Moon boy said: ,The population of the U.K. is 65mill. 63% are aged 16-64 do the math, I’ll save you the mither that’s 40million, How many users do you think? 42M. Based on report below Why people are arguing about the detail is strange Usung the data illegally is so Big Brother we should all be worried by it https://info.lse.ac.uk/staff/divisions/communications-division/digital-communications-team/assets/documents/guides/A-Guide-To-Social-Media-Platforms-and-Demographics.pdf Edited September 20, 2019 by Ani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 20, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2019 Ani, agree with much of what you said, though not on how the split is. It wouldn't have been possible to say no deal or a deal, and leave it to voters as no deal existed and it would have been impossible to assess it. Ok some won't accept any deal but until one was available it's not possible to pick you preferred choice. From that point of view I'm happy enough to leave it to the government to sort it. Obviously, Gina's intervention meant the house got to be more involved, which shouldn't have been a bad thing. Except it provided a platform for those who will not countenance any form of leave. Hopefully, now something is happening to allow us to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 20, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2019 These faceache figures, are they all individuals or does it include companies too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, kent_white said: I'm sure you know already. I actually quite like him. Nope, never heard of him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon boy Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 24 minutes ago, Ani said: 42M. Based on report below Why people are arguing about the detail is strange Usung the data illegally is so Big Brother we should all be worried by it https://info.lse.ac.uk/staff/divisions/communications-division/digital-communications-team/assets/documents/guides/A-Guide-To-Social-Media-Platforms-and-Demographics.pdf Not arguing about the detail, just proving that social media adds linked to conspiracy theories is total bollocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: It wouldn't have been possible to say no deal or a deal, and leave it to voters as no deal existed and it would have been impossible to assess it. Ok some won't accept any deal but until one was available it's not possible to pick you preferred choice. So we ended up having a binary vote on something which is clearly not a binary choice. There is a reason why referendums are not part of our democratic process. The funny thing will be when a deal is agreed that people will claim as a victory. No matter if the deal is not that different from the disaster May put forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Moon boy said: Not arguing about the detail, just proving that social media adds linked to conspiracy theories is total bollocks You have not proved anything. Saying you do not agree and questioning the numbers is hardly proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Trotter Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Ani said: You have not proved anything. Saying you do not agree and questioning the numbers is hardly proof. Come, now. Surely you must know that if you shout your belief loudly enough without any semblance of evidence, it counts as proof. Isn't that how discourse works in 2019? Edited September 20, 2019 by TM Trotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 34 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Nope, never heard of him OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, kent_white said: OK Am I missing out on something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 20, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2019 28 minutes ago, Ani said: So we ended up having a binary vote on something which is clearly not a binary choice. There is a reason why referendums are not part of our democratic process. The funny thing will be when a deal is agreed that people will claim as a victory. No matter if the deal is not that different from the disaster May put forward. No, don't get your point. We had a binary choice. The rest is for government/parliament. Just like they debate and change bills etc. You can argue if you want about the rights and wrongs of having a referendum, but that was the choice of our representatives. Just like it was when we went in. Had we not had one, Nigel and his ukip of the time could be sitting pretty with a fair number of seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 20, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Am I missing out on something? I assumed it was a woman with large norks the way he mentioned it. But no, no idea either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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