Love him or hate him the lads got some nuts, caught this lad a cracker here.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_BNP2y7ELus&feature=youtu.be

What the fcuk has it got to do with you?

 

Complete and utter wind up merchant.

 

Nothing

 

Just like some scum at it in Rotherham has nowt to do with Imran from Bradford you complete and utter miss the point merchant

And Blackrod is that small half the town must've known what was going on

What the fcuk has it got to do with you?

 

Complete and utter wind up merchant.

Roflbrothel

What the fcuk has it got to do with you?

 

Complete and utter wind up merchant.

Yeah - stop highlighting the obvious hypocrisy you complete and utter wine merchant.

Is all this any different than middle aged white British men going to Thailand to exploit young girls?

Edited June 23, 20187 yr by DazBob

Is all this any different than middle aged white British men going to Thailand to exploit young girls?

Shhhhh. He goes to visit family.

Non-whats-ever DazBob, but by point that out some people will now class you as a wind up merchant, oh and don't every forget all the white priests

I don’t think anyone rational is forgetting any of those cases. I make the point as such in this thread numerous times.

 

There’s stuff going on in my own town with the grooming of young lads on the gay scene. It goes under the radar as some of the most powerful and richest fellas in the town are involved.

 

There grooming and child abuse scandals across the board, every race, religion colour or creed.

 

But just because there is, doesn’t make what’s happening within the Muslim community and the targeting of young English white girls any less of an issue, nor should it should be used against anyone wishing to raise that particular issue.

 

Nobody is saying the grooming of children is exclusive to Muslim community. But there is a massive wide spread problem within it. This cannot be disputed no matter how many other cases anyone can bring up from various other sectors of society.

 

There’s a problem with rich white Peadophiles using their power and money to abuse children in Vietnam etc. Yes there’s there’s priests and football coaches using their power to exploit impressionable young boys.

 

There’s also a huge problem with Muslim grooming gangs exploiting young English white girls because they are young English white girls.

 

These people exploit a particular situation for their own gains. Whether it be power, money, relaxed policing, whatever.

 

Let’s not pretend there isn’t a problem because other problems exist.

Bingo.

I don’t think anyone rational is forgetting any of those cases. I make the point as such in this thread numerous times.

 

There’s stuff going on in my own town with the grooming of young lads on the gay scene. It goes under the radar as some of the most powerful and richest fellas in the town are involved.

 

There grooming and child abuse scandals across the board, every race, religion colour or creed.

 

But just because there is, doesn’t make what’s happening within the Muslim community and the targeting of young English white girls any less of an issue, nor should it should be used against anyone wishing to raise that particular issue.

 

Nobody is saying the grooming of children is exclusive to Muslim community. But there is a massive wide spread problem within it. This cannot be disputed no matter how many other cases anyone can bring up from various other sectors of society.

 

There’s a problem with rich white Peadophiles using their power and money to abuse children in Vietnam etc. Yes there’s there’s priests and football coaches using their power to exploit impressionable young boys.

 

There’s also a huge problem with Muslim grooming gangs exploiting young English white girls because they are young English white girls.

 

These people exploit a particular situation for their own gains. Whether it be power, money, relaxed policing, whatever.

 

Let’s not pretend there isn’t a problem because other problems exist.

 

None of that should need saying. . .

 

but well said  

I don’t think anyone rational is forgetting any of those cases. I make the point as such in this thread numerous times.

 

There’s stuff going on in my own town with the grooming of young lads on the gay scene. It goes under the radar as some of the most powerful and richest fellas in the town are involved.

 

There grooming and child abuse scandals across the board, every race, religion colour or creed.

 

But just because there is, doesn’t make what’s happening within the Muslim community and the targeting of young English white girls any less of an issue, nor should it should be used against anyone wishing to raise that particular issue.

 

Nobody is saying the grooming of children is exclusive to Muslim community. But there is a massive wide spread problem within it. This cannot be disputed no matter how many other cases anyone can bring up from various other sectors of society.

 

There’s a problem with rich white Peadophiles using their power and money to abuse children in Vietnam etc. Yes there’s there’s priests and football coaches using their power to exploit impressionable young boys.

 

There’s also a huge problem with Muslim grooming gangs exploiting young English white girls because they are young English white girls.

 

These people exploit a particular situation for their own gains. Whether it be power, money, relaxed policing, whatever.

 

Let’s not pretend there isn’t a problem because other problems exist.

Once again, the problem is described as being within the ‘Muslim community’ as a whole, yet nobody says ‘there is a problem in the white British community’.

 

The issue is one of distinction. There is no such thing as a homogenous universal Muslim community. End of.

Once again, the problem is described as being within the ‘Muslim community’ as a whole, yet nobody says ‘there is a problem in the white British community’.

 

The issue is one of distinction. There is no such thing as a homogenous universal Muslim community. End of.

 

Fair point but it's semantics really.

 

Far as I'm concerned half of the issue with the grooming of these young English girls comes from within their own culture and communities; as they will have some idea of what's going on, as do the authorities yet nothing happens.

 

It's too simple to lay the blame solely at the 'Muslim community' at large, which no-one here, certainly not Gonzo, is doing; but it would be idiotic not to see it (the sub-culture within) as part of the problem.

 

Denying an Islamic cultural problem is the same as denying that there is a problem in the white working class communities and families these girls come from

the problem whatever way you look at it is there's a lot of serial noncing going on in all corners of society

 

and when it comes out, it always seems people knew, but did nowt for some reason, or were too scared, or did and were ignored, or there was a cover up

 

those are the issues that need resolving moving forward, across all communities

 

nonces are going away, but people need to know how to deal with them

 

and back to the original point of the thread, it's not standing outside court filming them and inciting shit, nor is it vigilantes posting details on facebook

 

though perhaps none of that would happen if the authorities did their jobs or the victims had the confidence to come forward sooner

the problem whatever way you look at it is there's a lot of serial noncing going on in all corners of society

 

and when it comes out, it always seems people knew, but did nowt for some reason, or were too scared, or did and were ignored, or there was a cover up

 

those are the issues that need resolving moving forward, across all communities

 

nonces are going away, but people need to know how to deal with them

 

and back to the original point of the thread, it's not standing outside court filming them and inciting shit, nor is it vigilantes posting details on facebook

 

though perhaps none of that would happen if the authorities did their jobs or the victims had the confidence to come forward sooner

 

Agree - but it's been shown why that was the case i.e Rotheram.

 

It's a distasteful reality but shouldn't be ignored

Fair point but it's semantics really.

 

Far as I'm concerned half of the issue with the grooming of these young English girls comes from within their own culture and communities; as they will have some idea of what's going on, as do the authorities yet nothing happens.

 

It's too simple to lay the blame solely at the 'Muslim community' at large, which no-one here, certainly not Gonzo, is doing; but it would be idiotic not to see it (the sub-culture within) as part of the problem.

 

Denying an Islamic cultural problem is the same as denying that there is a problem in the white working class communities and families these girls come from

It’s an organised crime problem. You can talk cultural influences as well. But what in our culture drives so many middle aged men to be paedos? I think one can see why Muslims as a whole bristle when problems are lumped into an imaginary community yet everything else is an ‘isolated incident’ and not blamed on any wider society.

Once again, the problem is described as being within the ‘Muslim community’ as a whole, yet nobody says ‘there is a problem in the white British community’.

 

The issue is one of distinction. There is no such thing as a homogenous universal Muslim community. End of.

Who said it was as a whole?

 

There’s issues within the Muslim community in how some sections of it view white English girl and target them.

 

That’s not saying the whole fucking community is it?

 

You’re a fucking idiot.

It’s an organised crime problem. You can talk cultural influences as well. But what in our culture drives so many middle aged men to be paedos? I think one can see why Muslims as a whole bristle when problems are lumped into an imaginary community yet everything else is an ‘isolated incident’ and not blamed on any wider society.

 

Usually conjures up a certain image, doesn't it?

 

I'm not going over all this again - the stats show it to be a significant issue within that particular ethnic demographic.

 

I'll use my hooligan analogy:  Was the hooligan issue in the 70's/80's a problem within white working class communities?  Yes, right?  Did all working class white males go round lobbing bricks or causing bother at football?  No, right?

 

How was the problem addressed and largely eradicated?  By recognising where the problem was and addressing it as such.

 

Do we see as much hooliganism now?  It's not even comparable really.

 

It is imperative though that the working class 'white' culture that these girls come from is addressed and supported also; but that means a huge social change and shift of priorities that, regrettably,I don't see happening any time soon.

Edited June 24, 20187 yr by madthatter

There’s no issue in saying there’s a problem in London with black gun violence. Police will target that particular demographic to solve the issue. Nobody is saying every black in England is a gun touting maniac.

 

There’s a problem within that particular community.

 

Even Muslims will concede there’s issues within their community with all kinds of stuff.

 

I just don’t understand the big drama in labelling and targeting as such.

 

Fan 5, there are massive Muslim communities in the country and others. I have actually no idea what the fuck you are on about.

There’s no issue in saying there’s a problem in London with black gun violence. Police will target that particular demographic to solve the issue. Nobody is saying every black in England is a gun touting maniac.

 

There’s a problem within that particular community.

 

Even Muslims will concede there’s issues within their community with all kinds of stuff.

 

I just don’t understand the big drama in labelling and targeting as such.

 

Fan 5, there are massive Muslim communities in the country and others. I have actually no idea what the fuck you are on about.

So there is a problem with paedophilia in the Muslim community and the white British male community too?

There’s no issue in saying there’s a problem in London with black gun violence. Police will target that particular demographic to solve the issue. Nobody is saying every black in England is a gun touting maniac.

 

There’s a problem within that particular community.

 

Even Muslims will concede there’s issues within their community with all kinds of stuff.

 

I just don’t understand the big drama in labelling and targeting as such.

 

Fan 5, there are massive Muslim communities in the country and others. I have actually no idea what the fuck you are on about.

 

Me neither - I'd argue it's potentially more harmful to hide, dismiss it or whatever.

 

Comes back to the PC liberal attitudes that abound.  

So there is a problem with paedophilia in the Muslim community and the white British male community too?

 

Aye.

 

The latter is addressed up and down the country by government and educational interventions and strategies  - e-safety is even part of the national curriculum.

 

What's being done about the other in terms of education, prevention etc?

You tell us

 

You can usually see something nobody else can

Aye.

 

The latter is addressed up and down the country by government and educational interventions and strategies - e-safety is even part of the national curriculum.

 

What's being done about the other in terms of education, prevention etc?

Are muslim kids at school not taught the same curriculum?

You tell us

 

You can usually see something nobody else can

 

Ha ha

 

I asked, as you well know, because I don't know of anything comparable; maybe there is?  Do you?  Does that not concern you, if it is the case?

 

What's allowing these girls to become so vulnerable is just as important to identify and address as the culture form where the perpetrators come from, don't you think?

Are muslim kids at school not taught the same curriculum?

Not in their own schools they aren’t. Either are they in the own mosques.