Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 7, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Casino said: Sorry, they've had months and months to be ready to get it where it needs to be Its not a secret about the storage issues No excuses Eh? The vaccine was only finished a few weeks ago- how would anyone know how it had to be stored? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 7, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Why would you roll out a system geared up to a specific vaccine when it’s only just been approved? So you can moan if it didn’t get approved at wasting money? somebody asks your work for a quote for a job. You just crack on and manufacture it yes? Without an order or certainty it’s on? If it doesn’t come off just bin it? Sure you do This. Big style. This vaccine is one of a brand new type never made before. No one could know exactly how it was to be stored, nor pour huge resources in until it became clear it was safe and usable. By his own admission, his wife's place has received new equipment clearly in anticipation of the other type of vaccine, which suggests a clear level of preparation and confidence in its application. Hopeless cunts. Edited December 7, 2020 by Tonge moor green jacket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 I should imagine that Pfizer knew exactly what temperature controls would need to be in place many weeks / months ago, around the time they were taking pre orders from us no point agreeing something then springing that news on us at the 11th hour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, birch-chorley said: I should imagine that Pfizer knew exactly what temperature controls would need to be in place many weeks / months ago, around the time they were taking pre orders from us no point agreeing something then springing that news on us at the 11th hour Ordering the vaccine as part of a scattergun approach with a load of other vaccines is very different than to commission a full supply chain to deal with it. And you well know this birch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, Escobarp said: Ordering the vaccine as part of a scattergun approach with a load of other vaccines is very different than to commission a full supply chain to deal with it. And you well know this birch I’m just saying, when we agreed to buy X millions of them months ago we would have been made aware, so I doubt it’s new news to the relevant people Given we have spunked billions on all sorts (£40bn on track and trace?), what’s another few tens of millions putting in place temperature controlled storage and transport that you may or may not need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 7, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: I should imagine that Pfizer knew exactly what temperature controls would need to be in place many weeks / months ago, around the time they were taking pre orders from us no point agreeing something then springing that news on us at the 11th hour They may well have, but until its proven effective (in trials) and safe, then the huge investment isn't going to happen. Especially, as Esco says, for a relatively small number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted December 7, 2020 Moderators Share Posted December 7, 2020 Exactly birch The storage requirements have been known for a couple of months at least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 7, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Casino said: Exactly birch The storage requirements have been known for a couple of months at least You may be correct. Not the point really though is it? Feel free to address the real issue, and the fact that your wife's place has clearly been furnished with equipment in preparation for another vaccine which we have already ordered in much greater numbers. I would also suggest, from my discussions with my supplier that the refrigeration company he spoke of, would have supplied their order at least two or 3 weeks ago. Given lead times etc, its probably reasonable to say orders were placed at the very least a month ago, so that would suggest some early moves were made in advance of any approvals. Edited December 7, 2020 by Tonge moor green jacket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 The vAcCinE haS oNlY juST BeEN appRoVeD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Someone help him out eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 7, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Someone help him out eh Haters got to hate pal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: Haters got to hate pal. Can understand it from some.but some surprise me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Anyway early start tomorrow. Customer order for 50mill for a job they’ve tendered for but haven’t won yet. great business sense it’s what makes the works tick didn’t you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) How much have we spent on nightingales that haven’t been used? edit £220m https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nightingale-hospitals-coronavirus-cost-nhs-coronavirus-a9559551.html Edited December 7, 2020 by birch-chorley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 £600m on ventilators, many haven’t been used... https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-government-spent-569-million-on-ventilators-for-the-nhs-but-many-havent-been-used-12085241 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Covid will cost us trillions, it isn’t a normal situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 £150m on masks that couldn’t be used Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 £10bn on a track and trace app that didn’t work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 But won’t take a flyer on a few deep freeze facilities that could help get a vaccine out and end the madness 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Lambasted for all of it. Cant have it all ways. Hypocrisy stinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Lambasted for all of it. Cant have it all ways. Hypocrisy stinks. Not sure anyone has lambasted thr government for investing in Nightingale hospitals and ventilators that we might have / might still need Likewise I don’t think they would be lambasted for investing in a deep freeze distribution centre to store a vaccine Billions in an app and £150m on masks that didn’t work is fair game IMO (although I’m sure done with the right intentions) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, birch-chorley said: Not sure anyone has lambasted thr government for investing in Nightingale hospitals and ventilators that we might have / might still need Likewise I don’t think they would be lambasted for investing in a deep freeze distribution centre to store a vaccine Billions in an app and £150m on masks that didn’t work is fair game IMO (although I’m sure done with the right intentions) You’ve just done it 13 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: £600m on ventilators, many haven’t been used... https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-government-spent-569-million-on-ventilators-for-the-nhs-but-many-havent-been-used-12085241 I don’t think they’ve handled it well. Far from it. But they can’t have it all ways. I don’t think the vaccine logistics is as easy as you make out. Ive taken to believing jimmy krankie on certain matters such as this as she’s quite open. She says it’s an absolutely incredibly complex nightmare. Make of that what you will. That doesn’t smack to me of buying a few fridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimron Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 50 minutes ago, Casino said: Sorry, they've had months and months to be ready to get it where it needs to be Its not a secret about the storage issues No excuses Dido Harding told us that there was no way we could forecast the surge in testing requirement when the school and colleges went back. They'll probably outsource the vaccinations to their school mates from Deloitte or Serco rather than use the medical profession. SNAFU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 33 minutes ago, Escobarp said: The vAcCinE haS oNlY juST BeEN appRoVeD Your keyboard fucked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Escobarp said: You’ve just done it I don’t think they’ve handled it well. Far from it. But they can’t have it all ways. I don’t think the vaccine logistics is as easy as you make out. Ive taken to believing jimmy krankie on certain matters such as this as she’s quite open. She says it’s an absolutely incredibly complex nightmare. Make of that what you will. That doesn’t smack to me of buying a few fridges. I don’t think I was lambasting them, just sharing a links of where we have spent money on something that we may need but later didn’t use. You seemed to mock the idea that anyone would do this as bad business practice (which in normal circumstances I agree it would be) 23 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Anyway early start tomorrow. Customer order for 50mill for a job they’ve tendered for but haven’t won yet. great business sense it’s what makes the works tick didn’t you know Anyroad, I fully agree it will be complex, any more or less complex than the other hundreds of thousands of issues that have had to be overcome? creating a vaccine from scratch in 9 months being the big one that springs to mind However, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, the vaccine got approved last week and it’s going in peoples arms this week so they must have found a way Thank god Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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