Boby Brno Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Escobarp said: What because it’s only 300???? 90 here after Xmas lockdown. We must just have avoided people’s houses? Not bragging pal. Our figure is up 70% in the last 7 days. For whatever reason, this thing is spreading rapidly and moving north. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Boby Brno said: Not bragging pal. Our figure is up 70% in the last 7 days. For whatever reason, this thing is spreading rapidly and moving north. No I wasn’t having a pop sorry if it came across that way. sadly people will Be believing it’s a success because London is so high. 300 2 months ago was seen as catastrophic. Now it’s a drop in the ocean. yet some people think there’s no problem still. 🤯 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter victor meldrew Posted January 8, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2021 how many people have died of flu symptoms in the last 28 days ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underpants Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, victor meldrew said: how many people have died of flu symptoms in the last 28 days ? I give up. How many? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted January 8, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2021 16 minutes ago, Escobarp said: What would have happened in your opinion if we were just cracking on right now? Genuine question? No restrictions at Xmas etc new year and pubs open. What numbers would be seeing in your opinion? I’m interested ? Sean of the Dead stuff I reckon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, Escobarp said: What would have happened in your opinion if we were just cracking on right now? Genuine question? No restrictions at Xmas etc new year and pubs open. What numbers would be seeing in your opinion? I’m interested ? Good question, let me think. My point was as much to those who said that cases declined in summer because of the first lockdown, that the cases picked up because of the Eat Out scheme, and, as ever, the government should have done this, that or other sooner. Whatever most Governments have tried, aside of extreme lockdowns, has hardly scratched the surface. Witness the surge of cases in London that must have started during the last lockdown. I do get that the risks of letting it rip would have been untenable for the NHS/Govt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 minute ago, boltondiver said: Good question, let me think. My point was as much to those who said that cases declined in summer because of the first lockdown, that the cases picked up because of the Eat Out scheme, and, as ever, the government should have done this, that or other sooner. Whatever most Governments have tried, aside of extreme lockdowns, has hardly scratched the surface. Witness the surge of cases in London that must have started during the last lockdown. I do get that the risks of letting it rip would have been untenable for the NHS/Govt. But what do you think would have happened to case numbers? Based on your statement that lockdowns don’t work. So by virtue they can only have had , at best , a neutral effect on numbers? Correct or have I misunderstood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Just now, Escobarp said: But what do you think would have happened to case numbers? Based on your statement that lockdowns don’t work. So by virtue they can only have had , at best , a neutral effect on numbers? Correct or have I misunderstood? I’m thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Spider said: Sean of the Dead stuff I reckon I wonder how much further case numbers need to rise in Bolton for hospital to implode? im told Glasgow and lanarkshire it’s almost at crisis point now and won’t be able to take any more patients in very shortly. What happens then is anyone’s guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Just now, boltondiver said: I’m thinking Ok pal. Ive got all night 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Ok pal. Ive got all night 😊 Funny here is my overall view on lockdowns; 1. We have no evidence that they work. The scientists say that if we don’t lock down, then this will happen. We’ve never seen the non-lockdown outcome. 2. We do know the damage they have caused; financially, other health, education etc. @birch-chorleyhas gone quiet, perhaps he’s just too frustrated. I would think that when the future checklist is analysed, it will be that the cure will be far greater than the disease. As I’ve said, I think, from very early, the job was to keep those vulnerable out of the way of the virus. Hardly any healthy under 60s have died, so, again, could we have better allocated resource? But, from where we are, we have to, it seems, look after the NHS. But, is there a lot of spin there? as ever, I’m happy to be wrong, especially with this virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Just now, boltondiver said: Funny here is my overall view on lockdowns; 1. We have no evidence that they work. The scientists say that if we don’t lock down, then this will happen. We’ve never seen the non-lockdown outcome. 2. We do know the damage they have caused; financially, other health, education etc. @birch-chorleyhas gone quiet, perhaps he’s just too frustrated. I would think that when the future checklist is analysed, it will be that the cure will be far greater than the disease. As I’ve said, I think, from very early, the job was to keep those vulnerable out of the way of the virus. Hardly any healthy under 60s have died, so, again, could we have better allocated resource? But, from where we are, we have to, it seems, look after the NHS. But, is there a lot of spin there? as ever, I’m happy to be wrong, especially with this virus So back to my point. Where do YOU think case numbers would be if we hadn’t locked down or had these current restrictions and had the pubs open at new year? Neutral impact yes? In your opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted January 8, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2021 Having read up a bit more on viruses The only way to stop them, is to stop letting the spread. The new variant is a reminder that without a vaccine, we are entirely at the mercy of an invisible menace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 The virus spreads as people have contact with other people. If as a result of a lockdown people have less contacts it slows the spread. Surely that is not in doubt ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Escobarp said: So back to my point. Where do YOU think case numbers would be if we hadn’t locked down or had these current restrictions and had the pubs open at new year? Neutral impact yes? In your opinion? Answer; probably not as bad as some of the scientists outlined Not neutral, but not end of the world. Probably. Number of cases? Double? Only my view. I’d love to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 47 minutes ago, Escobarp said: What would have happened in your opinion if we were just cracking on right now? Genuine question? No restrictions at Xmas etc new year and pubs open. What numbers would be seeing in your opinion? I’m interested ? 000000 cause COVID dont go in pubs if your having a meat ITK FACT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underpants Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Funny here is my overall view on lockdowns; 1. We have no evidence that they work. The scientists say that if we don’t lock down, then this will happen. We’ve never seen the non-lockdown outcome. 2. We do know the damage they have caused; financially, other health, education etc. @birch-chorleyhas gone quiet, perhaps he’s just too frustrated. I would think that when the future checklist is analysed, it will be that the cure will be far greater than the disease. As I’ve said, I think, from very early, the job was to keep those vulnerable out of the way of the virus. Hardly any healthy under 60s have died, so, again, could we have better allocated resource? But, from where we are, we have to, it seems, look after the NHS. But, is there a lot of spin there? as ever, I’m happy to be wrong, especially with this virus Wrong. Lockdowns do have an effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Ani said: The virus spreads as people have contact with other people. If as a result of a lockdown people have less contacts it slows the spread. Surely that is not in doubt ? It’s not in doubt but we can see it only delays the virus and deaths, if the vaccine hadn’t come deaths would have been same with or without lockdown just over longer period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Was the first lockdown the right course of action? I understand why the govt did it, but history might show it to be a mistake 2nd They should have had better solutions by then 3rd same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: It’s not in doubt but we can see it only delays the virus and deaths, if the vaccine hadn’t come deaths would have been same with or without lockdown just over longer period. But there is a vaccine coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Answer; probably not as bad as some of the scientists outlined Not neutral, but not end of the world. Probably. Number of cases? Double? Only my view. I’d love to know. Thanks. I would rather not know Personally. The end is nigh now and we will be all Back to normal soon enough now. double case numbers and the health service would have collapsed of that I’m confident in my reasoning. That’s good for nobody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, little whitt said: 000000 cause COVID dont go in pubs if your having a meat ITK FACT 😁😁 good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Just now, boltondiver said: Was the first lockdown the right course of action? I understand why the govt did it, but history might show it to be a mistake 2nd They should have had better solutions by then 3rd same What solutions ? You say no lockdown might have doubled numbers. (I know it is a guess). Nearly 2m dead across the world. So no lockdowns would kill 2m people, so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Underpants said: Wrong. Lockdowns do have an effect. That’s fine there isn’t lots of evidence that I can see, but always happy to be proven wrong. We’re all amateur observers in this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: It’s not in doubt but we can see it only delays the virus and deaths, if the vaccine hadn’t come deaths would have been same with or without lockdown just over longer period. No because there would have been more infections so more infections means more deaths ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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